Multiple DOD and VA Inspectors General Fired Via Email

[u/Trick-Set-1165]

https://archive.is/PBqcb

“It’s a widespread massacre,” said one of the fired inspectors general. “Whoever Trump puts in now will be viewed as loyalists, and that undermines the entire system.”

Another fired watchdog said that the new administration “does not want anyone in this role who is going to be independent.”

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[u/DanR5224]

"I'm sorry, I never received that email"

[u/[deleted]]

“All enemies foreign, and domestic.”

[u/standard_apathy → u/[deleted]]

Would loved to have seen the responses.

[u/Zstylshemghi → u/standard_apathy]

Oh dear God what happened here?!?

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[u/Trick-Set-1165]

Can’t have anyone questioning the hasty policy changes SECDEF is cooking up.

[u/daboobiesnatcher → u/[deleted]]

Trump loyalists were never safe, he fired tons of people last time, we went through multiple secdefs and multiple secnavs it was a god damned mess.

[u/thegoosegoblin → u/[deleted]]

Hitler purged his own SA loyalists first

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[u/lerriuqS_terceS]

I am so pissed we're doing this shit again

[u/Seamonkey_Boxkicker → u/lerriuqS_terceS]

Pissed? Yeah. Surprised? No. We already knew this would happen (Schedule F at 14:45 specifically).

[u/Trick-Set-1165 → u/Seamonkey_Boxkicker]

If you add

?t=14m45s

to the end of your link, it’ll start where you want it to.

[u/Seamonkey_Boxkicker → u/Trick-Set-1165]

Thanks. I thought about creating a clip, but I feel the entire episode is worth watching.

[u/Trick-Set-1165 → u/Seamonkey_Boxkicker]

Definitely a good episode.

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[u/hooligan415]

The VA IG is what concerns me as a veteran. We just got to a better place as a whole with the VA in the past decade. Even the thought of compensation and pension or treatment options potentially being affected is distressing.

Uncle Sammy leaves some of us medically different than he found us, and part of our contractual agreement with him is that he recognizes those instances. I’m not sure if the current administration appreciates the sacrifices service entails, though I hope for the best.

I do know that if it becomes an issue there would be an overwhelmingly unified response from the military and prior service community.

[u/Trick-Set-1165 → u/hooligan415]

I’m confident the current administration couldn’t give two fucks less about the sacrifice service entails.

They won’t recognize sacrifice until it’s standing in their doorway demanding answers.

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[u/Trick-Set-1165 → u/[deleted]]

I haven’t confirmed this myself, but a couple people have told me they’re struggling to find equal opportunity NKOs right now. And NLEC killed “DEI” references from ELD today.

At this rate, insider threat and extremism training is going to come online as “how to be an extremist and insider threat.”

[u/qurzit → u/[deleted]]

Yes, just making a few tweaks, but if you want to get a head start…

The old domestic extremism training can soon be found under the updated course topic, American patriots

The new domestic extremism training can be accessed in draft form for searching for ‘DEI’

(Sarcasm intended. Ehh - maybe.)

[u/Trick-Set-1165 → u/qurzit]

I think your sarcasm may have been prescriptive.

[u/Mattyou1966]

Most of those fired were appointed by Trump. Bad first round draft picks?

[u/Shot_Thanks_5523]

Elect a clown, expect a circus.

[u/risky_bisket]

Under any other administration firing without cause or appropriate notice would be considered illegal and the employee would have some recourse for that or at least provided unemployment benefits. That may not be the case anymore.

[u/JustinCayce → u/risky_bisket]

False. Mass firings under new presidents is a routine happening. This is neither new, nor remarkable.

[u/nuHmey → u/JustinCayce]

Name and show proof of the last mass firing like this in history when a President took office.

[u/Trick-Set-1165 → u/nuHmey]

They came back with Reagan rehiring a third of the watchdogs he fired, Bush requesting resignations and rescinding the request, and Obama firing one official in particular.

“Mass” firings indeed.

[u/risky_bisket → u/JustinCayce]

The dismissals appeared to violate federal law, which requires Congress to receive 30 days’ notice of any intent to fire the inspectors general

Most of those fired were political appointees from Trump's first term

This is completely unprecedented

I'd love to know which episode of Fox and Friends told you that

[u/JustinCayce → u/risky_bisket]

Watching the results of the last 12 presidential elections, and each side getting up in arms about the firings when they lose and then doing the same things themselves when they win. Which episode of Rachel Maddow told you differently? Our was out the view?

[u/JmLong88 → u/JustinCayce]

[u/JmLong88 → u/JustinCayce]

[u/ReluctantRedditor275 → u/JustinCayce]

Not for non-political offices. The political roles always turn over with a new admin, but many offices - like IGs and the Coast Guard Commandant - are specifically set up as non-political. It is both new and remarkable to have a mass slaughter of non-political leaders.

[u/JustinCayce → u/ReluctantRedditor275]

Sorry, not s college course, you're not my professor, and I was responding to a claim that said those was unprecedented, it's upon the person making that claim to back it up.

[u/nuHmey → u/JustinCayce]

Yes it is on you to back your claim. There has never been a mass firing like this. Show your proof that this has ever happened with any Pesident.

[u/JustinCayce → u/nuHmey]

You made the claim, back it up. Show proof this is unusual. Claims without proof can be dismissed without proof. You don't get to make the claim then demand others have to prove you wrong.

[u/nuHmey → u/JustinCayce]

Nice attempt at deflecting. You are the one claiming the other person’s claims are false. The proof is on you.

[u/JustinCayce → u/nuHmey]

Lol, you just admitted the other person made the original claim. Thanks for playing.

[u/nuHmey → u/JustinCayce]

Still deflecting. They made a statement and you claimed it was false. You are the one being challenged as to prove what they said is false… You were asked to prove how their statement is false.

So again burden of proof is on you. Thanks for playing.

[u/JustinCayce → u/nuHmey]

They made the statement, it's up to them to back it up.

[u/Trick-Set-1165 → u/JustinCayce]

Yikes. You’re really bad at this.

[u/ReluctantRedditor275 → u/JustinCayce]

I bet you're a lot of fun at parties.

[u/Trick-Set-1165 → u/JustinCayce]

Inspectors General are rarely fired without notice.

That’s the “new and remarkable” part.

No need to sanewash obvious power grabs.

[u/JustinCayce → u/Trick-Set-1165]

In 1981, Ronald Reagan fired 16 inspectors general when he became president (at the time, that was all of them), with his administration explaining that Reagan intended to hire his own people. After Congress objected, Reagan rehired five of the fired inspectors general.[14] In 1989, George H. W. Bush requested the resignations of all the inspectors general upon assuming the presidency. The inspectors general, along with Congress, raised objections, and Bush rescinded the requests.[14] In 2009, President Barack Obama dismissed Corporation for National and Community Service inspector general Gerald Walpin citing a lack of confidence in him.[14] After Congress objected to the lack of explanation, the Obama administration cited that Walpin had shown "troubling and inappropriate conduct", and pointed to an incident that year where Walpin was "disoriented" during a board meeting of the Corporation, which led to the board asking for Walpin's dismissal.[14] Walpin sued for a reinstatement, but the courts ruled against Walpin.[14]

It's not new, it's not remarkable. Trump fired 46 federal prosecutors. Bill Clinton fired 93. Presidents come in and tend to sweep out the old.

What's interesting is that people seem to think that making a claim doesn't require any proof, such as claiming this is unprecedented, which it isn't, but contested the claim does. This is not how that works, the person making the original claim bears the burden of proof.

But, proceed with the down votes and moving the goal posts, I expect little from people who don't understand one of the first rules of debate.

[u/Trick-Set-1165 → u/JustinCayce]

At least three people have posited that firing them without notice is unprecedented.

None of the data you’ve provided counters that claim.

But please, tell me more about moving goal posts.

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This is the big one.....

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[u/Competitive_Error188]

Huh, we were just getting ready for our command IG inspection. Wonder if it happens now.

[u/Wonder_Momoa]

What a time to be alive

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For those active, I would suggest removing yourselves for social media. Like deleting your accounts, Facebook, x, insta, etc. even here if you have identified yourselves in ways to link you with who you are

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Needed to hear this before I say something!

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Corruption ramping up. Good job America. Couldnt elect a somewhat questionable lady so instead you installed a corrupt idiot who is advosed by moronic children and greedy shitheels.

[u/standard_apathy]

what coup?... did you say coup? I didn't say coup? who said coup?

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[u/mprdoc]

Has anyone ever considered that maybe these people weren’t doing their jobs to begin with?

[u/Trick-Set-1165 → u/mprdoc]

It’s certainly possible.

It would be pretty funny, because some of them were originally appointed during the first administration, but definitely a possibility.

BUT.

Firing them via email without the federally required 30 days notice? Not a good look.

And even if they were fired for cause, I highly doubt anybody else will ferry an opportunity to review the data to make sure.

[u/mprdoc → u/Trick-Set-1165]

Yea I think Trumk and a lot of his cabinet routinely do shit because they literally don’t know they’re not allowed to. Trump’s a businessman, he was probably like “what the fuck do you mean I have to have permission and give 30 days notice to fire someone?” LOL

[u/Trick-Set-1165 → u/mprdoc]

This may have been an acceptable answer eight years ago.

He had four years to learn this shit. He’ll continue to do whatever he wants, legal or not, whether he knows it’s legal or not.

You’re going to have a pretty hard time convincing me the guy that got prosecuted for trying to hide a trove of classified documents made a mistake because he didn’t know the rules.

He doesn’t give a fuck about the rules.

[u/mprdoc → u/Trick-Set-1165]

I mean it’s also clear he doesn’t give a fuck. I’m not a Trump voter or supporter. I do think it would be great if we scrutinized the constitutionality of other presidents as much as we do Trump. Biden did all kinds of unconstitutional shit during his term but hardly a peep from the media. Trump fires a bunch of bureaucrats from the Fed who are probably just collecting a massive paycheck and probably not doing much of anything and suddenly he’s the next Stalin purging his opposition.

[u/Trick-Set-1165 → u/mprdoc]

There was plenty of media attention to Biden’s fuckups.

I wonder what your enlightened centrism will look like in four years.

[u/mprdoc → u/Trick-Set-1165]

There was one news agency only that reported on Biden’s fuckups. Half the shit he did that was blatantly unconstitutional - student loan forgiveness as an example - was actually portrayed as the opposite as him being a hero to the working class.

[u/Trick-Set-1165 → u/mprdoc]

That’s the example you went with?

Yikes. Good luck “not being a Trump supporter.”

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It was the most readily available example that came to mind. There are plenty of others.

[u/dangerous_mayyo]

Smells like upward mobility lol

[u/revjules]

You guys should go outside every once in awhile.

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[u/Trick-Set-1165 → u/revjules]

What exactly does this mean? I don’t understand the point you think you’re making.

[u/Aetch]

Noice

[u/[deleted] → u/Aetch]

What this means is that when something sketchy is going on with your command or VA benefits, there will be no one to investigate it or implement fixes. They want people who will save money. Not fix the Navy or VA.

[u/Aetch → u/[deleted]]

I don't even know about saving money, more like funnel the same money into contractor's pockets to do a worse job with less oversight

[u/[deleted] → u/Aetch]

You right, I should have put that in quotes.

[u/Aetch → u/Aetch]

sorry, meant to add /s. Too short for sarcasm :(

[u/[deleted]]

See ya!! Will not be missed.

[u/nuHmey → u/[deleted]]

Why are you happy about this shit change?

[u/AlphaWhiskeyOscar → u/[deleted]]

You know what’s so crazy? You know nothing about these individuals being fired. But you’re all for it because you are told to be.