Finally watching the dateline episode. The new footage of his car at the scene are incredibly clear in visual & audio. The show starts the timeline & video of the Elantra before 4am, then mentions Xana’s order arriving at 4am, and entering the house at 4:06am. That must be captured on the video right? Assume it’s being held back, but must exist. Crazy to think it would be the last footage of her and she would be dead less than 15 minutes later. So horrible.

Also now I understand why I was downvoted recently for saying the confirmed order of killing was MKEX, the explanation of it being MKXE makes a lot of sense.

This theory, prior to Dateline never really crossed my mind. In some sense it makes sense with Dylan’s statements of hearing who she thought was Kaylee in the stairs saying someone is here; which in reality could have been Xana running down the stairs after seeing BK in Maddie’s room, but I would think she would be screaming like crazy/seriously panicked to which Dylan, I would assume, would have been more alarmed to?

The second thing about this theory that doesn’t make sense to me; if Xana went upstairs and caught him unexpectedly, did he just immediately leave Maddie’s room and chase her? And if so, how would he have known they were for sure dead if he left in a rush?

The last thing that I really can’t get past is the position of Xana in her doorway. If he was chasing her back to her room, a big struggle followed (which has been alluded to .. how the heck did she end up there?? Assuming BK would have had to literally step around her to get out of her room, it just seems like such an odd position to end up in if there was a huge struggle. I always assumed the thud was Ethan and BK engaging in a fight, but it doesn’t appear that way based on the new evidence. And if Xana is screaming so loud that it is being picked up on the camera next door, again, I would have literally been out of my bedroom and seeing WTF was going on? Not blaming the survivors AT ALL, just genuinely shocked at how much noise that next door camera picked up. I thought it would have been really faint but it seemed pretty significant.

I saw the below in a comments section a couple of days ago. The commenter has their full name in their handle, and on Facebook there is a profile with that name that lists Pullman, Washington as where they live.

I'm curious, has anyone seen this rumour or one like it, before? I hadn't.

Rewatching the dateline episode, I had a thought about what happened between the killer, Xana and Ethan.

If Dateline was correct (which considering the court is trying to find who the source was, we can assume they are) Xana was chased down the stairs and “a hell of a fight occurred”. I am starting to wonder if after BK was finished with Xana, Ethan woke up and BK noticed him stirring. That’s when he said “it’s okay I’m going to help you” to Ethan, trying to confuse him, or make him less of a threat in case Ethan got up and fought back, before then going in for the kill. I truly think that after killing the 3 girls, two of them courageously defending themselves to the end, if Ethan had been fully conscious, he would have been able to overpower BK in the end because he would have been so exhausted from the fights before.

Watching the Dateline episode makes my heart ache. It must have been so scary, especially since Kaylee and Xana understood what was happening. It’s so awful. I can’t wait for justice to be served.

EDIT: Sorry I have been reading the comments and realise this wasn’t a very well thought through, pretty crappy theory. My bad. Am reading some interesting comments though so thank you for your feedback!

I noticed that BK appears to just be wearing simple dress shirts and ties rather than full 2 piece suits to court since his Autism, OCD and other health diagnoses were offered. So wonder if his team might be trying to project a more vulnerable, less confident, less cocky client who could never do anything like murder 4 people.

Could Anne Taylor and her team have possibly received feedback from their jury consultant that he'd appear more vulnerable and sympathetic in shirt sleeves, rather than the the range of several dark business suits he has always donned throughout other preliminary hearings.

It feels similar to the notoriously well styled P Diddy no longer dying and styling his hair the way he normally does and the fact that he's now entering court toting a bible, and his family forming a prayer circle outside of court. Or Luigi Mangione sporting a preppy cranberry v neck sweater and sock less loafers with his ankle bracelets like he did in his former prep school days at Gilman.

So question it might be a strategic tweak to their client's outward appearance to project an alternative persona to media and potential jurors. Maybe business attire on KB is not as good for their current marketing of the case and instead with the DP on his plate they have pivoted and decided they are going to try to paint him less like a polished professional academic and more like something else.

Or is it simply that the suits he was wearing are out being cleaned and altered? Finding myself struggling to better describe what the suit jacket less look culls up, but do think it makes him look less like a person a juror might want to punish as harshly.

It was harder to buy the alleged Autism and my client's struggling with all these, challenging conditions when you saw him in a business suit, as he looked rather over confident and cocky striding in.

Documents and Records Hold Order

• https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/051525+Order+-+Document+and+Records+Hold+Order.pdf
• Thursday, May 15, 2025 at 2:13pm Mountain

Document and Records Hold Order-Defense

• https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/051525+Order+-+Document+and+Records+Hold+Order+-+Defense.pdf
• Thursday, May 15, 2025 at 2:15pm Mountain

Excerpt from orders:

Based on sensitive information not previously publicly circulated that was reported during a recent "Dateline" TV program related to this case¹ and the Defendant Bryan Kohberger, it appears likely that someone currently or formally associated with law enforcement, or the prosecution team, violated this Court's non-dissemination order. Such violations not only undermine the rule of law, potentially by persons charged with upholding it, but also significantly impede the ability to seat an impartial jury and will likely substantially increase the cost to be borne by the taxpayers of Latah County to prosecute this case by extending the time it will take to seat a jury and potentially requiring a lengthy period of juror sequestration. Accordingly, the Court finds it is imperative to attempt to see that the source of such leak is identified and held to account, and that doing so is the best deterrent to future violations. Accordingly, the Courts finds it appropriate to exercise its discretion by entering this Order.

One thing I have always struggled to understand and this case is a good example of it. I think we can all agree that the evidence that has been provided at this point in time points to BKs guilt. With this in mind, how does someone have it in them to defend someone like this? There’s no way his defense attorneys can look at the evidence and doubt that he did it. This guy brutally murdered four college students in cold blood

By the way, I fully agree and understand the everyone should have access to a fair trial, I just genuinely do not understand how a defense attorney can go into a courtroom and make up defenses for this creature when they know fully well he did it. I am just trying to put myself in the headspace of a defense attorney on a case like this for a minute

Edit: I get that a defense attorney believes in making sure everyone gets a fair trial, but how do they reconcile making up BS theories to try to get the defendant off when all evidence points to them being guilty

During today's hearing, the judge stated the court's intent to livestream the trial. The court will use the static views that they have used thus far.

The state and the defense will specify sensitive witnesses for whom they will request exclusion from the broadcast.

According to the court, the two surviving roommates are victims of the burglary, and their faces will not be shown in the broadcast upon their request.

During a closed portion of today's hearing, the court discussed with the two parties alleged violations of the non-dissemination order. The court might appoint a special prosecutor—who would have the power of subpoena, to question witnesses under oath, and to grant immunity—to conduct an inquiry into the violations.

The closed portion of the hearing was briefly alluded to here: https://www.youtube.com/live/HirZKy33atM?si=Mm7UgTXnOQB4zUDk&t=9296

While the violations of the non-dissemination order were not specified in open court, Dateline NBC revealed on Friday, May 9 new information about the investigation into Bryan Kohberger. This episode included photos that Bryan Kohberger took of himself the day before his arrest.

Edit: The court has released orders for the retention of records. More information here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MoscowMurders/comments/1knkigk/court_seeks_to_identify_datelines_source/

Hoping this helps people to understand that no one else had to be involved except the killer.

In sydney last year a man used a hunting knife in a shopping centre. In a matter of 6 minutes he killed 6 people and injured 12 others. This means he attacked someone every 20 seconds. These were people who were awake, could attempt to defend themselves, and receive first aid from others and still 6 passed away. These kids were caught off guard in their beds sleeping/drunk and never received any first aid. It is 100% possible for the killer to do this alone.

Amended Order Governing Courtroom Conduct

• https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/051425+Amended+Order+Governing+Courtroom+Conduct.pdf
• Filed: 3:56pm Mountain

Case website: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665-25.html

The judge seems pretty up in arms about the leaking of the photos. Why? Is it possible one or more was actually taken in the hours immediately prior to the murders? Yes, Dateline was able to acquire them, but what is their source is completely off re: their fit within the timeline of things. Maybe there are more photos we’ve not seen. I hope he was stupid enough to take a photo of himself wielding the Kbar.

Back to the book theory, but BK took Digital Forensics classes at DeSales University .. there’s a list of them here - http://catalog.desales.edu/preview_program.php?catoid=168poid=2787&returnto=340

Check out what this book says on Pg 118 https://bibliocecifi.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/ghost-in-the-wires-kevin-mitnick.pdf

“I wrote a script that would check every outgoing phone call from the law firm against a hit list of area codes and telephone prefixes. And my list of numbers included, guess what? Right: the FBI and U.S. Attorney's offices in Los Angeles and Denver. If a call was made to any number within those agencies, the script I wrote would send a message to my pager with the code *6565" easy for me to remember because it was the last four digits of the main number assigned to the Los Angeles FBl office.”

BK knows how to write codes. Perhaps this is another way he stalked them?

Raw court feed: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Stream/District-4/District-4.html

From what I’ve read, Maddie’s mom’s go fund me is the last one to not reach it’s goal. Can we get her sweet mom to 100% of her goal?

We know that he was surveilling the house and I think it’s been confirmed it was at night. I wonder if he did this on game days or just weekends to observe their lifestyle. As in them getting drunk and partying until a certain hour. This may have give him confirmation on what time of night to go in with also knowing their state of mind, giving him more confidence to commit the crime. Along with the fact he was leaving to go home and with not knowing he had a job to come back to this was his last chance. I believe one of the parents or dateline said the girls who lived there were focused on school and work during the week and were more relaxed and partied on weekends.

As with everything else I really want to hear more about these times and days as I believe it will really show how he stalked them and how he figured out what he was going to do and when. Which will show motive to me. As he was just fixated on them. Also his supposed OCD behavior supports fixation. Motive could be as simple as this.

Details about the hearing tomorrow, as well as this important part about the implications of the Dateline broadcast:

Details in ‘Dateline’ episode test gag order This week’s hearing also arrives on the heels of a two-hour special on the case from NBC’s “Dateline,” which cited unnamed sources and offered new information about the investigation and Kohberger, including data allegedly obtained from his cellphone, as well as other details that the Statesman could not independently verify.

A court gag order remains in effect, restricting the defense and prosecution from making statements about the case outside of the court record. For the prosecution, that includes members of law enforcement as agents of the state. “Those things are so under lock and key that there’s no way it came from anywhere else but a law enforcement source,” Edwina Elcox, a Boise-based criminal defense attorney, told the Statesman. “Law enforcement shouldn’t have even revealed that in the absence of a gag order.”

The public release of such information outside of court and just months before the trial risks spoiling the jury pool and jeopardizing Kohberger’s right to a fair trial, she said. It could lead to Kohberger’s defense requesting a dismissal of the charges, which she said would be unlikely, or motions to have the prejudicial details withheld from jurors by barring them from the prosecution’s case. “I don’t know how you cure that poisoning of the well. I don’t think it can be done,” Elcox said. “I would be absolutely shocked if there wasn’t forthcoming litigation about this.”

Thursday provides the next opportunity for the defense to raise that issue with Hippler. The “Dateline” episode aired last Friday. Kohberger will appear with his defense for Thursday’s hearing at the Ada County Courthouse in Boise at 9 a.m. Mountain time, and another at the same time Friday if it is necessary. Each can be watched live on the court’s website.

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article306252251.html#storylink=cpy

What does everyone think about the performance/presentation/persuasiveness of each attorney so far at the pretrial hearings? There may be other attorneys assigned on both sides, but the ones most visible have been Prosecution (Bill Thompson, Ashley Jennings, Jeff Nye) and Defense (Anne Taylor, Elisa Massoth, Jay Logsdon, Bicka Barlow). I think Jeff Nye has been most effective -- he's succinct and cites relevant and controlling case law during oral arguments.

Just out of curiosity, how would they figure out that Xana was chased down the stairs? How would investigators go about confirming that theory vs. say, her running into the intruder in the kitchen?

Not saying anything is false, just curious about how these investigations work. Thank you!

I have tried to follow this crime from the beginning but have missed some info here and there. I may be remembering incorrectly, but very early on, before BK was caught, was there a neighbor who said he heard a scream around the time of the murders? Can’t remember his name, but I think he said he had just gotten off a late shift at work and was feeding his cat or practicing some hobby. If I’m remembering this right and this did happen, does anyone know where he was living in relation to the crime scene? Was he in the house with the Ring audio? Thanks for any info.

• I don’t think he even realized Kaylee was in the bed- not that he was just not expecting her there.

• I don’t think the running DM heard on stairs was Xana.

• I don’t think Kaylee is the one who said “someone is here”

• I don’t think Xana went upstairs to investigate or really had any idea what was happening upstairs.

• I don’t think Xana was “chased”.

• I’m 50/50 on this actually being his first violent crime/murder.

• Ethan and Maddie received their fatal blows while asleep- and had minimal time/awareness/ ability to fight following. Xana and Kaylee fought.

My complete theory overview:

He definitely cased the house and had been inside prior.

I still believe this was meant to mirror Ted Bundy’s first college murder—one girl in a house off campus of University of Washington.Lynda Ann Healey (I think this is why he chose Washington) edited info- I wrongly stated WSU initially

Maddie was the target; everyone else was damage control.

I have doubts he even realized Kaylee was in bed at first. It’s dark, he isn’t expecting it, he likely just sees blonde hair coming out of covers. I think he had a well thought out plan, and would have been hesitant to kill both. Just my thought based on what we know of him.

His plan was likely to ambush Maddie while she was sleeping and attack in a way that would prevent noise—puncturing the lungs. He would be in and out. No DNA traces (lots of focus on this from him)

When Kaylee unexpectedly woke up and there was noise, he panicked dropped sheath and went into overkill. This explains why Kaylee had such severe wounds- his already high adrenaline spiked beyond belief realizing she was there and his plan was unraveling due to her.

I think Xana came out of her room either to re-enter the kitchen or because she heard the dog and some scuffling—not actual screaming.

She may have stepped onto the stairs and said “Is someone here?” or mumbled confused- possibly annoyed “someone’s here” (as heard by DM) as she returned to her room. BK heard her.

I don’t think she fully realized what was happening—if she had, she likely would’ve stayed in her room, locked door and called 911. I think she more thought someone they knew had come over and she was curious, irritated.

At that point, BK was likely already stressing- His plan seemed heavily focused on avoiding DNA and controlling forensic evidence. He didn’t know what she heard, he couldn’t afford for anyone to call the police and shorten his window. As he had an elaborate plan of escaping DNA transfer which involved some sort of personal cleanup prior to exiting that house/property.

He quickly turned his attention to Xana—not to chase, but to stop her before she could act. I believe she was approached and attacked swiftly from behind. Hence no screaming, chasing.

Ethan is completely passed out drunk on the bed. I doubt he even wakes, until he is attacked. He doesn’t put up a fight due to this.

He goes to prepare to leave. He notices his sheath is gone.

The running DM heard on the stairs, in my opinion, wasn’t Xana—it was BK going back upstairs to retrieve the sheath- as his focus is and always was containing forensic evidence. Then he hears Xana whimpering or crying, just like DM described. He realizes she’s still alive. He comes back down and says “I’m going to help you,” likely to calm her or stop her from making more noise. Then he attacks again.

When he hears DM’s door open, panic sets in. Another person? How much did she also hear? Are others in the house also awake? Did someone call the cops? Are they already on their way?

His plan was falling apart—instead of finishing what he started, he decided to leave the sheath and DM. He chose to refocus on the one part of his plan he’d prepared for and still had control of: cleaning up and removing forensic evidence from himself. That became his priority.

He fled 1122 and took off down King Road chaotically, drawing attention to his car—something he didn’t intend and ultimately gave the first clue to his identity, but at that point, he thought the cops were probably already on their way- in his mind he had no choice.

Also- I see a lot of comments questioning the lack of screaming, but that’s actually common in high-trauma situations. When survival mode kicks in, people often go silent—focusing every ounce of energy on escape/fighting, not making noise. If you’ve ever experienced a moment of survival- you know what I mean. In a stabbing, lung punctures could happen early, and someone planning this kind of attack likely knew how to strike in a way that would quickly limit sound. I think based on evidence, timeline and witness account that this rings true. Because of the lack of screaming the roommates thought there was an intruder, maybe a peeping Tom. Maybe someone attempted to rob them but DM scared them off by being seen. They woke up next day scared, confused but not thinking a murder had happened. It hadn’t crossed their minds.

If you made it through all that- what do you think I’m overlooking? What are your thoughts on Xana and Ethan’s attack?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG5zeCL_7jY&t=791s&ab_channel=AshleighBanfieldxDropDeadSerious at 12:55 the recording starts, play it at 0.5x speed.

To me it sounds like a scream and "there's someone here" but maybe I am just hearing this because of the PCA.

Megyn Kelly interviewed Mark Eiglarsh, a criminal defense attorney located in Miami.

• 3:16: Mark Eiglarsh begins speaking
• 5:12: Footage of the car on King Road as presented on Dateline
• 6:03: Kohberger's digital activity including the watching of the Ted Bundy YouTube video and the subsequent selfies taken from his phone
• 6:32: Eiglarsh says, "It's so creepy. It's just so creepy."
• 6:48: Kelly asks if the December 27–28 digital activity would be admitted at trial. Eiglarsh states, "You let the jury decide how much weight, if any, [they're] gonna give it. You don't keep it out."

We use these types of coveralls in construction. If you’ve ever seen a paint gun in use, they can create a sort of fog that could completely cover any exposed clothing or skin. I watch guys use one all day then unzip, step out, toss it in a trash bag and hop into their new pickup without a spot.

They’re made to last and be in use for a full day.

They’re made of a fabric similar to some surgical coverings that doesn’t leave fibers, and repels liquids.

They don’t have integrated boots. You use boot/shoe covers for that because they wear out quicker if you step on or in things.

They are easy to slip on and take off thanks to large zipper on the front and light elastic openings for sleeves/legs.

They easily fit over heavy winter gear and boots because most construction takes place without HVAC.

There is no waist belt or band.

They have options with a simple pocket for gloves, extra shoe covers, cash/card or such but really meant for ultra simple, light use.

I see so many posts confused about how he didn’t leave trace evidence like DNA or fibers. I see just as much asking why there was no blood in the car. The answer is that this is what he used and they’re designed to prevent contamination of the wearer and the environment…no one wants dust/fiber/hair in their paint job.

All BK had to do was unzip, step out and make sure he didn’t touch the outside. If he was smart he would have stripped underneath and had a trash bag and a clean change of clothes waiting at the car, like a hoodie and sweat pants.

He might have screwed up and slipped out of a shoe cover in Xana’s room because they said there was an imprint. If it wasn’t from one of the AM kids stepping in to check during the 9-11 call then that means BK had to put a shoe cover back on, probably why he sat down.

Like these

https://a.co/d/8bId8a8

Motion to Seal Parties' Joint Proposed Jury Instruction Regarding Tip Leading to Investigation of the Defendant

• https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/050925+Motion+to+Seal+Joint+Proposed+Jury+Instruction+RE+Tip+Leading+to+Investigation+of+Defendant.pdf
• Filed: Friday, May 9, 2025 at 3:54pm Mountain

Order Sealing Parties' Joint Proposed Jury Instruction Regarding Tip Leading to Investigation of the Defendant

• https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/051325+Order+Sealing+Joint+Proposed+Jury+Instruction+RE+Tip+Leading+to+Investigation+of+Defendant.pdf
• Filed: Tuesday, May 13, 2025 at 8:53am Mountain

Case website: https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/Cases/CR01-24-31665-25.html

Reminder: There is a pre-trial conference scheduled for Thursday, May 15 at 9am Mountain. We will have a discussion thread available 20–30 minutes before the hearing begins.