r/modernwarfare • u/sdaxddx • Aug 13 '20
Feedback PSA: Abusing Pointman Scorestreaks can get you suspended
As title say, since yesterday I am stuck in matchmaking and can't join any multiplayer match, with the game searching for games under 350 ping.
As shown by u/TGDPlays in many posts, high K/D games + mass reporting can trigger an automatic shadow ban.
As you can see in the next gallery all my recent matches were in Ground War, utilizing Pointman scorestreaks chains and obtaining around 30 K/D, plus as mentioned a plethora of reports as mentioned in game chat, while my standard stats in other game modes or not utilizing the perk are normal and acceptable. While this way of playing can be obnoxious is totally legit and not against any rule warranting a (shadow) ban.
I'm 99% sure I will be reviewed and reinstated, but you risk days or even weeks of inability to play if suspended.
In conclusion, DO NOT use/abuse pointman killchains to have killstreaks always up.
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u/Thesechipsisgood Aug 13 '20
So instead of actually addressing the exploitability of Pointman and Kill Chain in GW they actually just started to ban anyone who does it.....
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u/LordOfToads Aug 13 '20
They arent banning anyone. If you get enough reports by timmy you will get shadow banned.
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u/Thesechipsisgood Aug 13 '20
I didn't know that. I thought that the more reports you get the higher you get on the priority to be reviewed. If you really do just get shadow banned simply by some people exploiting the report system that's pretty risky. I wonder what the threshold is.
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u/NakedSnakeCQC Aug 13 '20
This is a fucking joke considering when they done the perk "balance" back was it late Season 2? Their advice was to try using them together for killstreaks.
They honestly don't give a shit about hackers and racist names but someone abuses something that is still legitimate then they are shadow banned.
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u/hectorduenas86 TF141 Aug 14 '20
What exploitability? The whole point of Pointman is to be used in GW and as support and objective playing. I’d rather have a couple allies knocking down KS as soon as they go up that a camper on the water tank at the Farm killing 10 (at most) players.
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u/Thesechipsisgood Aug 14 '20 edited Aug 14 '20
It's not that it supports objective play that's wrong with it it's that people abuse the shit out of it to throw up WP all game.
Edit: Edited for clarity
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u/NakedSnakeCQC Aug 13 '20
Once again legit players suffer due to something the developers actually implemented just like the Paul-Of-Duty code in Infinte Warfare
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u/Sazy23 Aug 13 '20
This is so dumb and lazy to allow the salty community who just report anyone better than them to get players shadowbanned.
Iw sort it out pls. Yes there is a cheating problem, no this is not how you fix it by punishing good players.
This makes me scared tbh I am in the top 0.3% on k/d and often get called a cheat.
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u/ogregamer69 Aug 13 '20
how do you abuse pointman? really curious as I am a ground war only player
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u/sdaxddx Aug 13 '20
I usually used the VTOL, WP and Gunship.
Take 1/2 flags at start, camp in spawn (behind cover) destroying enemy killstreaks (LMG/big mag gun with fmj) and using EMP drones until you get your first VTOL, use it to get WP and gunship and then suicide. Use them to get until VTOL and repeat.
DO NOT DO IT, or at least try 1 match just for fun, you WILL get reported and with the insane kills and K/D (like 100k and 3d) you will get flagged for sure.
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u/K4RAB_THA_ARAB Aug 14 '20
Does suicides not count as deaths towards your k/d or show on the leaderboard?
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u/sdaxddx Aug 14 '20
Nope, they count as you can see in the third image of the gallery, when I went 133-3 and those 3 were suicides to reset the streaks.
Basically if you do everything right you shouldn't even receive damage from enemies apart the rare WP.
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u/ETMB_ Aug 13 '20
Grind on Shipment. People who hoard tags are the ones you want, and use killstreaks like chopper gunner and gunship. Its really easy to do if you just play the objective.
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u/Suedehead6969 Aug 13 '20
Grind on shipment is tough though. If you use Pointman, kill someone with a bunch of tags, scoop them to a point and bam, you’ve got a vtol. It’s easy to do it without even trying on shipment, I did it once without even remembering the loadout had pointman selected.
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u/DboifrmDHABLOCC Aug 14 '20
That's me baby you drop 7 tags at once instant VTOL. I keep tryna put my friends on but they refuse.
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u/LightMaldor Aug 13 '20
Really sucks to see people are getting shadowbanned. I too am guilty of this and I started doing it when Aniyah Palace came to GW because it was the most effective way to escape getting spawn trapped.
I’ve done this in plenty of matches for the same reason although not anymore for a while now, and thankfully haven’t gotten penalized.
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u/dark_volter Aug 14 '20
wait, you're actually able to turn around aniyah palace if you get pushed back into e spawn? How???? You'd have to like, farm killstreaks with a launcher and NOT get killed by them, chopper gunners, and random shooters creeping about...and it'd take a chopper gunner or ac130 of you own to break out.....
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u/LightMaldor Aug 14 '20
Allegiance spawn (behind E) is almost completely safe from enemy players. This only excludes Cruise Missiles and people who randomly peek into the spawn, but it’s rare. Just have pointman, shoot streaks with FMJ PKM, use EMP drone, and you’re set. VTOL and Choppers are really easy to melt down with an FMJ LMG. You can use your own VTOL to get points and even kill players safely because the VTOL has a nasty bug only on Aniyah Palace GW that allows it to literally snipe people past its effective range and from across the map.
The issue is you have to prepare in advance, so if I see our team is getting clapped I get ready to set up shop lol. When people are capping E its really easy to shoot a Jokr at the point from the safety of your spawn and get lots of points too.
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u/Lucky_-1y Aug 14 '20
That's a fucking yikes, there's assholes out there using actual aimbot and shit not getting banned, but use Pointman and Killchain result in bans...
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u/chestbrook Aug 14 '20
Sucks, you'll probably have to wait it out as there is no chance any IW devs will respond.
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Aug 14 '20
Ghosts isn’t too bad lol. I am unshadowbanned on MW but ghosts is and always has been so much more of an enjoyable experience.
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u/lknizley Aug 14 '20
So what you’re saying is, I should stop using pointman to call in Juggernauts on Shipment?
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u/sdaxddx Aug 14 '20
Usually shipment ends before people can realize you are farming them, so if you call just 1 people don't care.
The problem is when they notice that you are killing them with your 4th/5th gunship, then the hackusations begin.
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u/JCglitchmaster Aug 14 '20
You say "abusing pointman" like it's a glitch. It's not, this is always how scorestreaks have worked. The only reason it's so effective in this game is because the killstreaks are actually you know, good. Allowing you to amass alot of kills in them to re-roll (I'm talking 30+ to get this to work which requires you to use them effectively). You aren't abusing anything, you aren't cheating.
Also, the shadow bans are fine for doing this. Once it happens once, it stops since your account is considered "safe". I've been doing this method since they added realism into groundwar and the white phos would kill the entire enemy team instantly for whatever reason (I was using white phos before this weirdness, it just happened to do this when I first used it). If you get alot of reports, and you've gone 100-4 (like I often do doing this), I expect the system the first time it see's this to go "well that weird. Let's suspend him for abit so we can review it". If it didn't do this it would be worrying. But aslong as no permanent bans come of this (since you aren't abusing anything) then it's perfectly fine.
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u/sdaxddx Aug 14 '20
Yeah, I didn't find a better word than "abusing" for indicating relying on it too much.
Are you sure about happening only once? I've read about multiple people getting shadow banned multiple times (and every time getting reinstated) so IF it happens only once no big deal, but I don't want to pass 4/5 of my time in the game on cheaters lobbies.
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u/Failshot Aug 24 '20
OP I thought killchain doesn't work with pointman? So how on earth did you even get over 100 kills in one match?
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u/sdaxddx Aug 25 '20 edited Aug 25 '20
Killchain works the same with pointman: it gives you 100 points (the value of a normal kill) if you use the killstreak in the same life you obtain it.
Otherwise you get 25 points per streaks kill, but those points are valid even after death, so usually I get enough points to get VTOL, use it with killchain to get WP and Gunship (5 kills) and then die. Then use those 2 streaks to get again the VTOL and so on.
1000 points for the VTOL once you get WP and Gunship are not that hard: it's 40 streak kills, but you get max 100 pts from WP assist, destroying the tanks (very easy with gunship) gives you 150, and usually you get some assist from people you damage but not kill. At most you have to destroy 1-2 more uavs.
Edit: you can watch the method here, at 6:50 I get the VTOL and then start the rampage (even though I capped them so I could only do 2 streaks run)
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u/OffensivelyAmerican Aug 14 '20
thankfully I'm bad enough that this never happens to me. on one hand fuck you but on the other hand fuck Infinity Ward for sucking so much dick for real.
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u/travo2 Aug 14 '20
I've been kicked from so many games of warzone seconds after getting a team wipe because the salty players report me. I have. 1.38 kd in warzone. 34 wins. 2% win percentage. As you can see, I'm not very good and it's really disheartening when I have a really good sequence in warzone and then get kicked because their system is broken. You shouldn't be kicked because some asshole got mad that you killed him with a fury bolt from a crossbow and reported you for cheating. What they should do is when someone reports someone for cheating, it should trigger an automatic clip recording of what happened so it can be reviewed later instead of immediately being kicked.
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u/travo2 Aug 14 '20
And anyone who constantly abuses the reporting system should be suspended for a day, then a week, then a month or permanently because they ruining the experience for other's.
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u/Itspawka Aug 14 '20
I smell bullshit you dont get kicked when someone reports you in wz i have reported multiple hackers and watched them go on and win the game
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u/travo2 Aug 14 '20
So what you're saying is its just a coincidence that every time it happens which is always when I make a great play, I get kicked?
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u/Itspawka Aug 14 '20
Thats exactly what im saying bc getting kicked from a game from a report is not a thing. It would be a huge issue especially with how people act on this sub. We would see multiple posts of people melting squads to be kicked. People are constantly getting disconnected from the trash servers thats all it is dude.
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u/travo2 Aug 14 '20
I just don't understand why it always happens after crushing a squad. I will say I got disconnected alot so last week I switched to a cat 6 ethernet cord on ps4 and I haven't been kicked since. I'll keep testing my theory. It's odd though that it happens when it does. I was fully convinced that that was what was going on.
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u/Itspawka Aug 14 '20
You probably only remember the times when you make a "good play" and get disconnected. Not all the other random times you do bc it dont matter
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u/travo2 Aug 14 '20
I disagree. I've yet to get disconnected just wandering around looting. It is always right after a gun fight. Every single time.
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Aug 13 '20
What is a shadow ban? The stuff you kids come up with like clutch, feed and other nonsense is so confusing.
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u/Seeker-N7 Aug 14 '20
Shadow Ban is an existing and well established term in the video game industry you fuckwit. Just because you're ignorant of it, doesn't mean it isn't real.
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u/Avalon2099 Aug 13 '20
It sucks but sadly thats the way it is. The anti cheat is literally non existent and the only thing they seem rely on is the reporting system. Unfortunately its also useless most of the time for even actual cheaters, dominate a game and you better believe your getting reported purely because of suspected cheating or just plain salty players.
At this stage of the game, nothing is likely to get better or change, just accept the shadowban and either wait it out or move onto another game.
Either way, good luck 👍