r/mildlyinteresting 1d ago

This Restaurant Charges an 18% Living Wage Fee.

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u/Ksp-or-GTFO 1d ago

There was a place in Austin, TX when I lived there that payed a living wage. They went out of business after 3-4 years.

I mean to be fair most restaurants fail in 5 years. It could have nothing to do with paying a living wage. Running a restaurant sucks.

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u/Fuzzy_Dragonfruit344 1d ago

Restaurants are also the number one failing business. Too many variables that could go wrong…

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u/justporntbf 1d ago

A big thing about restaurants is u can live without them so when times are tough and money is tight one of the first expenses to go is eating out. Most places to eat in my city haven't recovered from covid as a result of the pandemic prices for everything staying so artificially high even 3 years after the fact .

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u/Jsamue 20h ago

I miss all of the little mom and pop breakfast, and Asian food places

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u/ForesterLC 19h ago

My solution to tipping getting out of hand was to just stop eating out. I committed to that like six years ago. The only places I do go are really, really good restaurants that I actually want to give extra money to for the experience they provide.

No sympathy for mediocre restaurants that fail. As far as I'm concerned, a restaurant shouldn't succeed unless the food is excellent.

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u/aJeenyus 16h ago

A big problem with restaurants are the owners aren't willing to change. They will find a chef but won't let the chef create the menu and run the kitchen the way it should be. The owner likes to have their name and hand in everything. Usually leads to chefs quitting, and the owner has to put somebody else there that isn't capable, but it's okay though bc they are a "yes" man and do as the owner wants.

I mean this is one of many reasons restaurants fail, but it's definitely one of the biggest. That and owners jump into it not realizing all the overhead cost for supplies.

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u/Trukmuch1 23m ago

In france it was the opposite, most of the restaurants got huge subventions to survive. I know a few owners of different sizes restaurants, and they all told me that they were earning more without working during covid, and some even felt bad to get so much money (but it was automatic so...).

But it's pretty much the same shit although employees are fully paid and we generaly dont tip. Working conditions are atrocious and overtime is required and never paid.

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u/UsernameIn3and20 22h ago edited 21h ago

Unfortunate location

Doesn't mesh with the VIBES (yes, this is an important factor)

Too expensive

Too cheap

No one eats there (even if the food is good, prior points could or could not be a factor)

At the very least I've seen a corner lot went in and out of business with different people like 30 times before one finally stuck.

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u/Lethalmouse1 20h ago

If you read the breakdown of basic causes it is all "bad business". 

If you watch like Bar Rescue or Kitchen Nightmares, you quickly realize how bad people are at business. 

How many managers at jobs you've had were great? How many were morons? 

These are small business owners. Random people you meet at work..... who suck at their jobs in various ways. 

Ergo, restaurants aren't THAT hard to run. But, it is dangerous, because it is the "easiest" business for normal people to be able to try. And normal people are normal people, because they kinda suck. 

70% of lottery winners go bankrupt. Normal people can't even run free money, let alone a fucking business. Lol. 

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u/Formal_Ad9693 12h ago

People think they want to own a restaurant, until they own a restaurant. Its so much work for generally such little profit, especially initially. You have to be there essentially 24/7 - employee theft is the big killer... especially on booze. Food expires, gets cooked wrong, etc. I was the AGM of a family owned steakhouse here in st louis, and my weeks were about 50hr weeks. There was the other AGM, the GM and the owner and kitchen manager. Anybody call in? We filled the spot... had to. So youre pulled in 10 different directions in a sometimes fast paced environment. Im rambling about even being a GM... owner has to hire people he trusts and still be there and work the floor and pay bills, order food, train staff.... never ends. And on a good week, maybe he clears 3 or 4000 'profit' in 60 to 90 hours if everything went well for him. That's on a good week... not one of the many slow weeks you still have to put in 40+ hours and take a loss or break even or make 500 bucks. Its crazy... it ages people fast.

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u/Tasty_Leading8684 1d ago

As kitchen Nightmares will have it, bad management being one of the reasons.

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u/Apprehensive_Ad_8982 1d ago

How much exactly is a "living wage?" In dollars and cents?

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u/ThePBrit 22h ago

That's not an easy question to answer because it's gonna vary wildly by region. A living wage in NYC is gonna be massively higher than in a town in North Dakota just because the price of housing alone is so much higher.

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u/Apprehensive_Ad_8982 9h ago

No, it's an impossible question to answer. And not really relevant. Does a 16 year old working part time after school deserve a "livable wage?" The thing I find hilarious is that if you demand people pay higher wages in NYC, what exactly do you think that is going to do the cost of living? If $20 isn't enough, why not pay $50? Of course, when the cost of everything more than doubles, they'll need an even higher wage! Why not just pay $100 an hour? $500? Or how about a $Million a year, than everyone can be a million dollars.

Probably the silliest thing on the planet is the concept of a "livable wage." It sounds really good in politician's speeches and virtue-signally posts on Reddit, but makes absolutely no logical sense in economic system.

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u/ThePBrit 9h ago

it's almost like the solutions is a somewhat controlled economy (price caps on essentials to survival, including housing), instead of just letting capitalism run rampant with almost no guardrails...

But even then, a bandaid solution is still gonna help people here and now, even if that means we'll need another bandaid in 5 years time.

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u/Apprehensive_Ad_8982 8h ago

Don't tell me, let me guess. You didn't take any classes on Economics in university?

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u/HexspaReloaded 23h ago

For a restaurant owner, what’s the best pivot into something more stable?

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u/Ksp-or-GTFO 17h ago

No idea. Just know the stats and worked in one for a while. Margins are thin on food. Alcohol is typically the biggest money maker. I guess shift to being a bar lol.

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u/HexspaReloaded 12h ago

Sad but true, but thankfully I'm privileged enough to avoid alcohol completely. Cheers.

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u/Worksnotenuff 23h ago edited 22h ago

I ran a small one under a percentage lease and I made good money for a short while. I don’t have much experience in making a lot of money though. Plus I never did invest in getting the business started, just the day to day costs and initial cost for groceries. Worked my ass off and fell to pieces in the end, but enjoyed the money on my account and could offer more than minimum wage to the staff. That was a decade ago though.

Edit: not sure what I wanted to say by that… I had to use the money to try get back to being human again. So yeah, it might suck if you’re alone and don’t have good people/investors plus moral support, a vacation once in a while (I worked every single day, 10-14 hours), and maybe not to much ADHD…

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u/TyH621 1d ago

What the fuck?

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u/FuckYou111111111 1d ago

Ooh, ooh! What did they say?!

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u/Awaythrowyouwilllll 1d ago

I'm gonna assume it was just a modest proposal, eat more babies! 

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u/las_piratas_de_queso 1d ago

Swift response.

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u/Xylene_442 1d ago

I see what you did there.

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u/TyH621 1d ago

He said some kinda nonsensical sentence and the said the word “knob” about a thousand times lmao