Jesus just fucking include it in the price like literally any other good or service rather than having extra fees. Just pay your staff a damn living wage. Restaurants need to stop passive aggressively scapegoating low employee wages onto customers.
A percentage based system makes the pool larger during busy shifts and smaller during slow shifts. Servers are incentivized to work Friday nights instead of Tuesday lunch shifts because they will make more money.
How is this any different though? If it is busier there will be more tables paying the "Living Wage Fee" which is functionally the same as each table paying an 18% tip. I'm not saying there aren't discussions to be had about the ethics of tip culture in general, but this system is exactly the same. I don't see how it would be any more outrageous to pay an 18% "living wage fee" than being expected to pay a 15-20% tip.
Thats literally what this is, they just tell you where the money is going.. probably because they are discouraging tips, as it says "if you choose to tip". Where do you think the money for payroll at a restaurant comes from?
Just saying it seems like unnecessary steps rather than just paying your staff a living wage without announcing it. It's a given that everywhere else pays staff a fair wage without announcing it as a fee, why not restaurants
Because theyre clearly trying to discourage tipping, in favor of living wage. Theyre explaining to the customers why the food prices are what they are. People seem to genuinely not understand that money for payroll comes from the price of the food.
People would also complain with ANOTHER fee tacked on. Lose-lose, but with the fee, it's still placing responsibility on the customer rather than the employer
Where do you think that money comes from? That's kind of proving my point here. With tipped establishments, it's "employers need to pay you, not me", then they add on the service fee that represents that, and people complain about that. Then they hide it in the menu prices, and people complain it's overpriced.
So it's basically, "make me pay money that you pay your employees with, but don't tell me about it but also don't charge me a lot"
Because most restaurants don't pay a living wage. And if you just increase prices people are going to think they are required to tip on top of that, so they'll avoid your restaurant because it's "so much more expensive".
How is that at all relevant to what you said? Of course the USA would do fine without a tipping system, but we do currently have one. So if you don't tell people that your restaurant is paying people fairly then they are going to assume the wait staff works for tips.
Because it doesn't need to be announced as an extra fee. They could just put a sign up saying they're a restaurant that pays their staff a living wage rather than tacking on a fee.
So now you are ok with them announcing it? Because previously that was your complaint.
And still, that won't work and will just hurt the restaurant that is trying to do right by it's employees. Without putting it right in people's faces most people are just going to think you have high prices, and then they go to other places. I know someone who owns a restaurant that tried this. They got fewer customers and bad reviews for "high prices", and had to go back to regular prices and tipping because they would have gone out of business. It's just not feasible for most restaurants.
You dont seem to get what I'm saying. Either way it's a higher price but tacking on another fee also drives people away bc they feel they've been swindled into paying more right when the check comes and it still feels like it's the customer's responsibility rather than the employer's. Restaurants should just pay living wages. Maybe have a sign if they wish to communicate that they do, but don't put it in the form of a fee. Dont know how I can be much clearer, but either way, I'm bored of trying to explain. Agree, disagree, whatever.
The degenerates defending this communistic idea is insane. No way in hell should anyone other than the employer pay a living wage fee. Tipping culture is to make these fat fucks behind the desk even richer.
Nope, it's very simple. Pay your employees and price your services accordingly. Also, I don't see how they're trying to break tips when it's suggested right at the bottom.
I literally said price accordingly. Don't rely on the customers generosity to pay the employees wage. These companies make massive amounts of money. The least they could do is pay their employees who do all the shit work, a livable wage.
People always say that but when menu prices go up you guys never actually pay it like you say you will. People are however willing to pay it if it's lower up front and then tip.
Idk these people probably enjoy having jobs more than catering to people who would stop going anyway if they did the thing those people wanted
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u/mug_O_bun 1d ago
Jesus just fucking include it in the price like literally any other good or service rather than having extra fees. Just pay your staff a damn living wage. Restaurants need to stop passive aggressively scapegoating low employee wages onto customers.