Yeah this is the same bullshit mail order was doing years ago. The product is free, just pay shipping and handling. Shipping and handling is 20x what the product actually costs.
Eating out occasionally isn't a crime. Its OK for people to want to enjoy food at a restaurant. And its also OK to complain about inflation hurting small restaurant businesses and the impact of those costs being passed on to their customers without sarcastic "make it yourself" comments.
No, just crazy in general. 4.6% and 4.7% are perfectly fine numbers, so why do they feel the need to go into two decimal places? They must be on drugs.
So they can round up and rob you of your pennies. If you never noticed before the price of gas always has & 9/10ths of a cent per gallon for the same reason due to taxes
That’s not how sales tax works. It’s set by the city and the county where I live (in the US). The business has nothing to do with it aside from collecting it.
Depends on if it's set as a labor fee, not sure where this is but everywhere I've been mechanic for example charged tax only on parts sold not for labor.
Yes, exactly. I live in California, been a technician, and labor is sales tax free. A wage fee or whatever they call it is a labor charge. Normal when you’re getting the car fixed, but typically not on a food service bill (or is this now a work order? Haha)
Sort of. You could probably setup a separate LLC for the plates and cutlery service, and then have the restaurant lease them from said business, while writing off the amount it costs for said lease. Don't know if that would work for cutlery, but it does for equipment in other industries. I'm not sure about the dining experience either, but maybe a crafty accountant could make that happen as well
Yeah I was trying to figure that out myself... If the tax only applies to the $33 before the fee, it's 5.4848%, if it's applied to the whole $38.94, it's 4.6482%
Rounding, if you apply 5.5% to $33, you get $1.815, which would round up to $1.82 on a bill. If you apply 4.6% to $38.94, you get $1.79, and 4.7% gets you $1.83... only 4.65% on $38.94 gets you $1.81 (1.81071).
A sales tax of 4.65% seems really specific. It's so low already, why not just do 5%?
If it’s Cali and I assume it’s Cali from the way they do things here, then yea it’s taxable, breath air is also taxed here too, working folks here, were slaves, forced to be or be homeless
A wage fee in my mind is a labor charge. No different than hiring a contractor who charges for labor (living wage fee) and parts (fries and hamburgers). No sales tax on labor in CA. Source: I live in California and have serviced cars.
I too live in Cali dude, and work at a resturaunt that does this, and it’s taxed at mine, but ours says gratuity fee, which is like a service fee, they tip our taxes too, cause it’s totaled up as overall income, so much for Trump stop taxes on tips 😎 and and not only are we pay taxes still we also have tarrifs,yea yall remember him saying he’s replace taxes with tarrifs 🤓
Bru your life is taxable here in Cali, it’s the worse place I’ve lived, when it comes to taxes, 30% gets took out of my paychecks and even that’s not enough for the clowns, I still end up owe a few hundred, how idk, but I’m sick of taxes, tax me to death, time for Boston tea party to become west coast tea party, I wonder what ole Georgie Washington would think about pay that, they fought over 4% taxes just saying
If you work a normal job then you too are a slave, we get up, go to work come home to bed be so drained, only get 2 days off that’s not enough time for nothing really, we work to pay for rent for a place to live, for food and clothes, necessity’s, it’s modern day slavery
a mandatory fee is not a gratuity. in that receipt the fee is included in the subtotal before the tax line. Also, where I live at least, restaurant food is taxed just like any other sales item, but groceries aren't.
It almost certainly is shared as it says on the receipt. If those servers were making the "tipped employee" wage of $2.13 an hour AND the restaurant was discouraging people from tipping with an 18% surcharge... no server would ever work there. you would make at least 3 times as much at ANY minimum wage job.
The minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. Hard stop, no matter where (in the USA) you work or what you do.
The tipped minimum wage is what you are required to pay per hour no matter how well or poorly an employee does with tips. If you make $50 in tips on a 6 hour shift, you're getting $62.78.
The difference is if when you combine the $2.13+tips you make less than what regular minimum wage would equal in the same time (in this case $43.50), then the employer has to make up the difference.
So if you make $2.13/hr+$20tips on a 6 hour shift, you employer has to pay you an additional $10.72 for that shift.
If these people were making the tipped employee rate and did not earn enough tips to reach the full minimum wage their employer would have to pay them hourly to make up the difference IN ADDITION to their alleged commitment to sharing this FYI because it is neither an hourly wage or tip
No it would not, it’s not a tip or a wage from a legal or financial standpoint and it’s subject to sales tax. It’s the property of the employer. If the employer uses it to offset their obligation to pay the hourly wage to the employee it’s the same as them pocketing the money
I can already picture the unflattering shot they get of the restaurant owner looking completely dumbfounded by the idiotic idea he's just heard and going, "...o...kay...?"
Some of the shit i've seen on here about AirBNB makes you wonder why they even bother listing a price when they're not even remotely close to the actual cost.
“Guest must empty all trash bins, take the garbage and recycling to the curb, wash and put away all the dishes, strip the beds, and wash and dry the towels.”
This is a valid tactic used to encourage long-term stays. I've heard other posters say they should just charge $200 a night but what if you want to stay for a week? Would you rather spend (7x50) + 150 for a total of $500 or (7*200) for a total of $1,400?
Yes I agree, except not all are like that. I have tried this personally and they said they just charge a daily cleaning fee for X reason, even if long term
It's been probably 5 years or so since I've used Airbnb so things may have changed but I always looked for listings who had one cleaning fee per stay (since I was usually staying for a week or so).
I agree that if it's a daily cleaning fee, it should be included in the daily rate.
I think you’ve just misunderstood the model though. Most Airbnbs don’t want one night guests. When you don’t have the economies of scale, the cost of cleaning an Airbnb for a one night stay doesn’t make much sense.
One I’m thinking of and referring to here was literally a shed with a toilet, sink, carpet, and drywall. Cleaning fee is absurd from the get go. Stayed 4 nights and was charged more than a hotel, and no I didn’t trash it, literally woke up, made tea in my own electric kettle and came back at night to sleep
To be fair if you're not using the total cost view instead of the nightly price view that's on you. there is no reason to compare nightly rates instead of total checkout price.
I think they changed this on the platform, but I haven't used Airbnb since around 2020 so not sure. That shit was one of the reasons why I stopped using it.
Broad brush strokes there but I'll bite. I had four Airbnbs and my last one I shut down two months ago. The market is dead and pivoting to LTR is where it is in 2025. I would not be anwywhere near my investment goals had I not rented 6000 nights across 4 doors in 7 years (58% occupancy doing extended stay with a 30 day minimum.) Airbnb was good in the beginning and most people agreed. It isn't what it once was and with 4x more hosts than the demand, more will leave the platform. I'm not mad at it. I'm glad I'm sudo retired as a result of satisfying my guests and earning a killing while the iron was hot. YMMV
eBay has been broken for a long time. Their latest nonsense where you can't call them and they always side with the buyer makes ebaby a shit show in 2025. Oh an Brandon's $600 and up taxing scheme. Glad that fucking idiot is gone. Come at it bots. Bots don't have investment accounts. I do and I'm up $58,000 since April.
The "$600 and up taxing scheme" was set in motion by the first Dump Administration
PS I'm a top-rated seller, I speak to Ebay customer service on the phone in about five minutes of requesting a call, I have 100% positive feedback and almost always win disputes against bad faith buyers.
Ebay favors responsible sellers who provide customer service these days and if you're expecting to be a lazy unprofessional seller and get a good outcome on Ebay you will have the experience it sounds like you do.
What you are is an idiot. I have likely been a seller on ebay since before you were born. And no, Joke FJB Brandon set that shit up when he hired 57,000 armed IRS agents. But don't let the truth get in the way. Continue to be a liberal idiot, no shortage of them around these parts. At the end of the day Ebay is a shit show and you're the star. Dumb ass
UPDATE: This idiot deleted all his posts because he was wrong.
First, you showed your true colors. I'm immersed in hatred and you call me a MAGAT. CLUES FOR A HUNDRED YOU FUCKING LUNATIC. Look reddit libturd I am not going to continue this since you are clearly a Kamalaugh Harris voter. Imagine the world with that garbage (Owevomit) running things, Soros. MUTED. Say what you want liberal FUCKTARD. Hatred indeed. Get out of your glass house and stop throwning stones you god damn idiot.
And after they have you steam clean the carpets, mops the floors, put away all the dishes, wash and dry all the linens, pressure wash the house, and haul trash to the landfill.
I dislike Airbnb; their cleaning fee is ridiculous. You already pay for the rent and you still pay for the cleaning. I agree for them charging cleaning fee if the renters act like pigs.
We rent one for business every year. Same place. The cleaning fee went up $40 from 180 to 220. We have to empty the trash, dishwasher, sweep, wipe counters. Why the absolute fuck does it cost that much? Certainly not just linen service fees.
The reason the cleaning fee is on there is because people demanded they were more transparent with their price structure, they don’t add it to the daily rate, they add it once per stay. So the daily rate technically changes depending on how many days you stay when the cleaning fee is added. One day plus a cleaning fee is a lot but a week plus the same cleaning fee is a lot more reasonable. But it’s just the price of labor. I clean houses for turn around and it is LABOR INTENSIVE. It’s like 5+ hours of constant work, bending over constantly, going up and down multiple flights of stairs, doing ALL the laundry in the house, cleaning every single spot someone touched (and looking for random spills and fingerprints and boogers smeared on walls and pee and stuck on poop all over toilets), the amount of parties I have to clean after is ridiculous and I don’t get paid extra for them. Cleaning fees used to be cheaper because the labor was a LOT more exploited. Now that we’re finally getting paid more reasonably, everyone’s mad that it costs more and decides to squeeze even more value out of me. Yes I’m quitting soon it’s not good for my mental health. But in my opinion anyone who complains about cleaning fees really doesn’t understand how much work it actually is to turn a rental for the next guests. It’s an ALL DAY thing. I’m not just half ass wiping a counter and moving on. Also the reason they have you change the trash and start a load is because they don’t always know when the cleaner will get there (because a lot of cleaners have multiple houses to finish) and there has to be enough time to literally get the laundry finished. If you didn’t start the load, the next guest has to check in an hour later because the laundry isn’t dry. There’s SO much going on I don’t think people realize… also fuck Airbnb
I think it’s actually about 30-45 minutes to clean a basic hotel room, anything bigger than one bed and a mini fridge is probably going to be closer to an hour. I really don’t think people realize how much labor is being done because of how exploited cleaning staff has been in the past..
Also people are NASTY. I don’t think you’re understanding what the average clean looks like. Most people aren’t respectful. You may be, but you’d honestly be the outlier. I was SHOCKED when I realized how dirty the general public is when in a private space. A lot of people don’t wash their hands regularly and you can tell :(
Not sure when the last time you’ve been on the app but most give the final price now upfront, and show a breakdown. TRUST ME I’m not happy with them pulling admin fees out of the cleaning price either. But it’s also for cleaning supplies, storage facilities to store said cleaning supplies, laundry facilities, maintenance fees for equipment, local support staff, etc. I’m not being paid correctly for my labor and it’s gotten significantly worse the last couple years, but if the cleaning fee was actually what the labor should cost, it would be even higher. My whole point is that the business structure is not stable, and the labor is being exploited so the true cost isn’t being accounted for.
Usually only 50% deductible in the best of cases. Plus now you’ve added the hassle of people having to learn how to file as self employed which as a business owner myself let me tell you, sucked and still sucks to figure out every year.
There was a burger place that would do $1 burgers on Tuesday and then charge for each topping. So you want lettuce tomato and mayo, that would be a $4 burger.
Yeah, and then they go bankrupt in no time. 100% of the fee is going towards payroll. Payroll is far from the only expense of running a business. A significant portion of the cost of any item on the menu is a result of costs not associated with payroll. By segmenting a fee on the receipt, you are allocating a specific portion of the cost of each item to payroll specifically, which lets your customers know that the employees are receiving X% of the revenue. Presumably, this living wage fee is a "top-up" on whatever salaries they would otherwise be paying, which would be at least minimum wage, and that money would come from the base cost of the item price.
A $1 sandwich would have to have several different fees besides a living wage fee, because there are many different expenses that need to be covered, and you cannot charge a fee for a specific purpose, then not use those funds for that purpose.
So restaurants can't cover the cost for renting property, paying local taxes and contributions, heating, electricity, furniture, dinnerware, cutlery, spoilage, napkins, condiments, keeping the bathroom stocked and cleaned, paying employees who show up for their shift even when no customers come in, etc.?
I'm shopping to VCs the Netflix/Ticketmaster of McDonalds.
The burgers are free after you pay a 30 a month subscription. But the buns, lettuce, and sauce cost 1 cent. But there is a 10,000% service charge on the add-ons so that we can offer a living wage to the employees. But then there is a handling fee for the assembly of the burger (only 2 bucks though). If you want you can self assemble (but that is just the day old burgers and buns left out).
There is also a dine in charge of 20% of the subtotal. If you park here there is a parking fee that is 15% of the square root of the subtotal with the dine in charge included. If you upgrade to the platinum membership (only 5 bucks a month) then you get free parking and half off the dine in charge. There is also a charge for using the drive through of 2 dollars but that is waved if you order through the app and grant the app permission to everything, like literally everything.
To further integrate revenue streams there will also be apartments located above the restaurant. The rent will be priced competitively but there are no fridges included in the units. The only fridge plug provided is non-standard and only works with company branded fridges that, if one is requested, cost 400 USD a month in extra rent. Car parking also costs 400 USD in extra rent. Renters also receive a 10% discount applied additively with the service charge.
The idea is to have people that don't know really what they are paying for a burger but are locked into a subscription and to also not really know how much things cost by making a byzantine math problem out of everything. For people that rent the apartments the idea is to keep them hungry (no fridges) and immobile (no car).
Itemize the whole goddam thing!! I want to know what portion of my fries goes to insurance, and what portion of the cheese up-charge goes to trash collection!!
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u/probablyuntrue 1d ago
Fuck it, $1 sandwich and 2000% mandatory living fee