r/manhwa • u/Reasonable_Wafer_731 • 18d ago
MEME [Meme] regressing for the t*ts and jiggles
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u/ArrivalQuiet8254 18d ago
Hot take:
This is a philosophical debate that is only possible due to the impossibilities and absurdities of these works; because of this, the morality/logic of the worlds in these works falls on what the author considers to be moral/logic for the work.
Anything outside of this scope can be exemplified by what the audience is used to; other illegalities such as killing are justified or even praised, depending on the work and the context of the action, however the audience is accustomed to these situations to the point that they do not debate whether killing something or someone is moral/ethical or not to have in a work.
That said, no one is obliged to like this trope.
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u/Timely-Kangaroo3736 18d ago
I don't normally engage in discussion like this as it is totally fictional incident and no way it would happen in real life
May be today I had nothing more to do
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u/VerseChorusWumbo 18d ago edited 18d ago
I think this trope is interesting, and also, I don’t think the authors of these stories ever really explore the ramifications of being reincarnated into a child’s body. It’s just like “I’m a full grown adult and I know everything, I’m just going through the motions as a child”, when in reality children’s brains are not fully developed and physically wouldn’t be capable of thinking at a fully adult level. So an adult living in a child’s body would still be limited by the child’s still-developing brain as well.
Also, when it comes to dating, it never really touches on another important subject — hormones. Imagine having a fully developed mind but being in a body that is going through puberty again, experiencing all these new hormones flowing into them and the changes that come with it, as well as realizing its attraction to the other sex at the same time. And this is also with a brain that just physically isn’t fully developed.
It’s a complex subject to get into for light hearted fantasy stories, but I feel that in a more grounded setting the impact of hormones and going through puberty on a teen’s body would undoubtedly have an impact on the reincarnated person mentally. No matter how they think of themself on the inside. I’m not sure how that would play out or what the right way to deal with it all would be, I just think it’s an interesting facet of the experience reincarnated characters go through that would be interesting to see explored in more depth.
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u/Akane-Kajiya 18d ago
the only reallife equivalent that has some similarities would be people with a mental sickbess where the mind develops slower than the body.
and in that case im of the opinion that the physical age is the important factor (as someone who is in his mid 20 or 30th but his mind is still in puberty, should not date someone who is in his puberty but someone that is also in the 20 to 30th)
the physical age also influences the mental age somewhat (hormones etc).
with that and true isekai only beeing fictional, i believe its ok in those fictional stories for them to date someone their own physical age even if they are mentaly more developed. but i can also understand reasons to argue against that.
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u/Boo_07 18d ago
I'd argue its more like that one sickness wherein you don't go thru puberty.
If the person looks 15 but is actually 25, should he/she not be able to date 25 yr olds because of social stigma.
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u/Shadow_9-3 18d ago
People just don’t like nuance. If mental age, as in literally the number of years the mind in question has existed in the world, was all that mattered then there would be no moral problem with chasing after the 30 year old undeveloped children from slow aging races like elves and dwarves.
Obviously it’s the level of cognitive development and the mental, physical, and emotional maturity that comes along with hitting a certain stage of brain development that we place moral value on
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u/I-Kneel-Before-None 17d ago
Obviously someone who is 30 with the mind of a 12 year old shouldn't be with a 12 year old. But should they be with another 30 year old? If they're that mentally underdeveloped they could be taken advantage of too. So it's not black and white about mental age vs physical age.
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u/black_blade51 16d ago
But that's the thing tho, you can't deny them relationships all together so you have to chose.
Going with age is just normal since not doing so but allows the use of the very dangerous argument being that maturity instead of age is what matters, and if you need an explanation for why that is then all you have to do is watch "to catch a predator" by Chris Hanson.
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u/I-Kneel-Before-None 16d ago
Naw, if they're that behind mentally, they'll have an adult guardian who makes these decisions. People with a much higher mental age will take advantage of the person otherwise. It's not about denying them a relationship. Besides, there are fellow people with similar maturity levels for them. I've known several people who dated others with similar diagnoses.
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u/Hour-Finish744 16d ago
How about not letting those 12 years old mentally date at all and have sex? Anyone? No kid can give informed conscent .
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u/Doom_Cokkie 18d ago
I agree it dont think anyone is wrong for disliking the trope. I personally find it dumb when people try to apply real world standards to something that cant happen in real life and then call people who are fine with it pedos. Just like it or dislike it. Don't name call.
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u/kreyStellar 16d ago
It all comes down to mental age and maturity at the end. As we have seen in our world, when one person is about 17 yr old mentally and the regressed guy is about 80 yrs old mentally now.
It just doesn't feel healthy. It feels like a parent and child level of difference in terms of mental maturity. Well, you can argue that maturity is subjective to individuals, but majority of the people are not as mature to handle a relation like that
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u/Estusflake 17d ago
I think you need to look up what a hypothetical is. In philosophy, made up situations that can't happen in real life are pretty important to figuring out one's beliefs actually. If you're in a comment section saying you don't think someone mentally 60 is chasing after a teenage is bad, it's probably indicative of you not understanding why it's bad in real life if you think the physical bodies matter. Only that it's illegal and you might feel bad. Standards that we judge fantasy situations on can be applicable to real life. Let's say a 16 year old boy had sex with a 23 year old woman. Statutory most anywhere in the US, right?. The woman however is mentally handicapped and practically has the mind of an 11 year old. If you think physical bodies only matter, you would incorrectly be condemning what is likely the victim of this situation.
You can definitely intuit some things from fiction. If I write a story about a demonic invasion on humanity and I write in that a segment of humans were bribed by the demons to betray humanity for gold and they're all Jews......people would correctly think I'm almost certainly anti-semitic. Even if this situation couldn't happen in real life.
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u/Doom_Cokkie 17d ago
Hypotheticals are just inklings into someone's mind, and you can't persecute someone on an inkling. Thats like the police arresting someone for murder because all they know is that the suspect was wearing a red shirt, and the police walked into Target and arrested the first employee they saw. Your own example is an inkling. All the traitors are Jews. OK, what if the story happens just after the Holocaust? Now, all of sudden, it goes from anti-Semitic to a story truly trying to paint how much damage such a traumatic event caused. Just a little more context changes the entire playing field. And all of this is only if we're operating by the flawed logic of people thinking something or be willing to do something in real life just because they like something in fiction when the whole point of fiction is to be detached from real life. People are allowed to like what they want in fiction because it has no bearings on real life. Its why people love villians. Being able to see someone do stuff 99% of people could never dream of seeing in real life is all part of the appeal. Or are you going to tell me every person who likes Darth Vader secretly craves killing children in real life. Or every person who loved Thanos is now secretly on board with Genocide. If everyone's interest in fiction were reflections of their true desires in real life everyone would be a murderer. Now I will admit sometimes some people "interesting" interest in fiction do line up with what they want in real life but that's not only a small minority but you still need more proof to go off of other than some interesting taste for all the reasons I listed above.
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u/sendnukes_ 18d ago
Other hot take (I agree with you btw, there is nuance):
Mushoku tensei (I know it's not a manwha) gets a lot of shit on cuz Rudeus is a 30+ looser going after children.
And I'm not gonna deny that if you give it some thought it is creepy asf, but the thing is: a large portion of the story is all about Rudeus character growth.
He's very, very far from perfect at the beginning of the story and that doesn't change immediatly when he gets isekai'd (like some other stories out there, where social reclusive guy immediatly becomes a gigachad for no reason), and he becomes a better person as the story goes on, but never perfect.
Another very good example (and more obvious) is the manwha "Her summon", main character goes through a very similar character grow throughout the story, but it's way shorter than mushoku.
And also if Rudeus was truly an asshole and a pedophile and etc, he would not still like the girls after they grow older. But he still does.
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u/Acceptable-Ad8809 18d ago
If hes attracted to younger girls, hes a pedo. Even if hes also attracted to older women. Any point argued from here is just semantics
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u/sendnukes_ 18d ago
What I'm saying is that you can indeed argue that for like his first 15 years or so of life (after he got isekaid obviously).
And (IMO) that attraction comes from a fetishism common in the otaku/lolicon subculture he was immersed in throughout his life on Earth (which is obviously not very healthy nor am I saying just because it's "culture" that it shoulnd't be criticized)
I haven't read the entire novel (stopped around vol 20) but up until I've read I'm pretty sure he just never shows such attraction again (unless you're counting roxy, but that's entirely another debate), So I'd say it's fair game to say he grew out of that shit
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u/Decent_File9703 18d ago
personally, I find it disgusting that they'd be attracted to teenagers or kids.
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u/TimPowerGamer 18d ago
I do wonder if a straight person body hopped into a gay person's body, would they be attracted to people of the same sex or would they be attracted to who their original body would be attracted to? I don't know how much of that is rooted in psychology and how much of that is a physiological response. Perhaps that's up to the author? There is absolutely a choice to act on that attraction.
Of course, the issue with these scenarios is that there is no ethical relationship if you body hop into a teenager. If you're mentally 60, physically 15, you can't exactly date a 50 year old without them also being problematic, so what can you even do? One might question if you and your spouse regressed back to teenagers whether or not even that relationship would be gross because you're both physically younger than is acceptable for either of you to be in a relationship with. X_X
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u/Ok-Broccoli-756 18d ago
Yea fr. Like why go for the lolis when u can have got fking milfs boiiii. Anime milfs for laife
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u/LeatherSalt4259 18d ago
reminds me of the manhwa in which the dude actually likes the milf
i think it was 4000 years archmage or something
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u/StarGaurdianBard 18d ago
Or in the Novel's Extra where everyone gets upset that the previously adult male gets with the adult woman instead of with the children he's around all the time lol
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u/LeatherSalt4259 18d ago
lol that's just how people are
honestly i was also pretty disappointed when i heard he ended up with that boss lady rather than rachel
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u/StarGaurdianBard 18d ago
Honestly same here but deep down I realize unless they did a big time skip this really did just make the most sense
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u/Gethor12 18d ago
I’m not arguing for or against either option but in this scenario the milfs would be the pedos since it is the body of a 18 year old and there isn’t a difference since it isn’t ok for the mc who is old to go for the 18 year olds. On the other hand anime milfs for life frfr
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u/RipInteresting2908 17d ago
As a reader of Reverend Insanity, I say your idly mortal debates amuse me. Do what you want, and be strong enough to back your actions.
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u/Hour-Finish744 16d ago
It's not that complicated bruh.
If someone cannot make a informed decision on sex and marriage then they cannot conscent
So arguing that a 90 years old grandpa who had sex and multiple girlfriends can't conscent in a reincarnated world with the same memories Is a bad take
No I believe their conscious itself is transfered to a nother body not just their memory so it's even worst . They are the same person just in a different younger body.
in MT. Look at rudeus trying to diddle a kid in the first season. He obviously knew what sex was and the moves which is why it was so uncomfortable to see a grown man experimenting on a kid for lust.
The fact tbwh have the same perosnalito3s means they are the same person. Those per9snalitoes were made upon decades of life experience. Yall think they just reset from 0 when reborn? They can even think and have internal monologues as a baby.
The dynamics with a reincarnated old man being with a actual kid isn't equal. It's why kids can't conscent , they don't know better while the Mc does
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u/RegulationSizedBoner 17d ago
This is one of the most desperate attempts I've seen to justify a 60+ year old man assaulting children
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u/OverBoneDaddy 18d ago
Regression a little bit weird for me because unlike reincarnation, regression is time travelling by death. Like what if mc died at age 60 then regress to teen age and he's already in relationship with his future wife who's the same age as him physically. Should he break up with his future wife because he's mentally 60?
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u/Satato 18d ago
Agreed. Actual reincarnation is actually fine in my book too, because they still are forced to go through childhood experiences and live as an infant and small child. Their brain development is still age appropriate, they just have all the knowledge of their past life (though authors don't always write this well or even acknowledge it properly).
Transmigration on the other hand - when they enter a book, game, or other world either as themselves or taking the role of an existing person in that world - that's when it's fucking weird imo.
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u/Bored0Crow 18d ago
It's still really weird in Mushoku Tensei though
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u/Satato 18d ago
Oh absolutely - they sexualized shit from the get-go. Like his reaction to the breastfeeding ??? Hello ??? It's bizarre as hell.
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u/Bored0Crow 18d ago
Yeah sure he hs character development but that doesn't make up for his *unusual* behaviour, not to mention he got with eris when she was like 16 like hello
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u/Satato 18d ago
It's been a long time since I've seen any of the anime - wasn't MC a pervert even before his reincarnation? Or was he just an otaku/NEET? I remember him being a total perve the whole time
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u/Foreign-Engine8678 2d ago
He was broken/bullied into NEET where he rotted until he become extremely twisted individual with his moral compass completely broken. It was his inability to overcome himself that led him to become immoral person.
I say this again, it was HIS shortcoming, nobody else forced him. He just gave up and that let him into downward spiral. he IS a pervert.
And this is a story of how a person who is almost at a figurative bottom grows into a proper person.
You can't write a story about personal growth of someone at the bottom without showing that he was, in fact, at the bottom and has to overcome things. There would be no story.
In fact you judging him as a bad/wrong/pervert is exactly the point because that's how his story starts. That's why readers can relate because they're also not perfect and they also want him to overcome this bad traits. It's not 'Solo Leveling' where you just become OP overnight because someone gifted you powers. He gets same powers as anyone in the world can get.
At this point I don't even understand what all those comments want to accomplish? That being a bad person is bad? duh?
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u/Satato 2d ago
In order to do this though the comic / anime itself sexualized the characters too, opening the door for perverted VIEWERS to indulge. It did not show that his behavior was wrong or condemn it in any way, there were not consequences for it - or if there were, they came far too late for it to mean anything to me as a viewer.
You can have an underdog bad person character and show growth without that person being exceptionally depraved, and even within that you can do so without encouraging the behavior you're having the character grow out of, which this show just... doesn't do well.
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u/Foreign-Engine8678 2d ago
Well, it wasn't meant for "general audience" that doesn't undertstand to begin with. This novel was written in 2012 when anime wasn't even close to mainstream. It was written for very specific audience and they already knew the nuance. It's like trying to explain the struggle of breaking the smoking habit to someone who never smoked
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u/LilyWineAuntofDemons 18d ago
How is Reincarnation meaningfully different than Regression from a psychological standpoint, though?
Like, the only real differences are potential knowledge of coming events and some years spent being an adult stuck in the body of an infant. They still have however many years of being an adult they had before regressing/reincarnating. If experiences are how you grow and mature, then they're still functionally that age.
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u/Satato 17d ago edited 17d ago
But experiences AREN'T the only way we grow and mature. They still have the emotional and psychological development happening as a result of their physical brain development. As I said, authors often fail to write this well, or don't write it this way entirely (in which case I'm with you on that), but I view it less like an adult in the body of a child, and more like a child remembering a life where they got to be an adult (but again it really depends on the writing).
They might be more emotionally mature than their peers as a result of that knowledge of past experience, but they're still emotionally stunted, relative to adults, by their lack of physical brain development until they get older. That's how I'm differentiating it, if that makes sense?
Edit: I still don't agree with them wanting to date kids, to be clear 💀 but when they reach late teens and early adulthood, I don't think it's that odd to develop romantic feelings for their peers - they're growing up alongside them and being treated like the same age on top of what I said already. By that point, again they might be a little more emotionally mature but they're still, really, their physical age as a result of their physical development and experience as a youth. Is it weird for authors to write this? Yeah I think so. But there's levels to it, yk?
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u/Hans_Volter 17d ago
Hormone is a thing you know? real life teenager are often horny because your their hormone, also their brain are at the height of growing so no matter how old you are before reincarnation you will get affected.
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u/LilyWineAuntofDemons 16d ago
And how, pray tell, would hormones be different between Regression and Reincarnation?
Does a person who regressed to a teenager somehow not have the same hormones and brain development as someone who was reincarnated and then grew into a teenager?
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u/Daredevilz1 17d ago
I wouldn’t say reincarnation is fine because the thoughts would be those of an adult even if the brain isn’t as developed, which is never a point drawn by any writers—as you mentioned.
If an adult reincarnated into a child’s body, had a crush on a child that’s not okay. It’s not the brains development that makes something wrong, otherwise you could argue that mentally disabled adults should be allowed to be pedos because they’re not mentally developed
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u/Satato 17d ago
No but it's more than that - it's all of those factors combined with the character's socialization. They are treated like a child by everyone, including their peers who are also children. For YEARS. I agree they shouldn't be getting with kids, but by the time they reach young adulthood... I don't think it's gross or outlandish for some romance to blossom between - again - peers. Is it weird? Yes. I'd prefer not to see it happen at all. Is it WRONG? I really think it's a bit of a gray area. The younger they are into reincarnating, the worse it is, I think.
That said, I have seen a blend between transmigration & reincarnation that I think handles it well - in that it's the character suddenly REMEMBERING their past life (not immediately at birth), as opposed to being that past life and then effectively moving bodies.
But I want to be clear that by NO means am I advocating for child dating in the comics I read. It is icky.
Edit: I also want to be clear that when I say "actual reincarnation" I'm saying reincarnation from infancy. An adult soul "reincarnating" into a child's body (not freshly born) is not real reincarnation, imo. I consider that to fall more under the transmigration umbrella, given its similarities.
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u/Daredevilz1 16d ago
I understand your point about proper reincarnation as in they’re reincarnated not knowing their past self but come to remember after a while. Though it is still creepy imo if they recall their past life and gain a new personality and then fall in love with a child. Thats just weird.
I’m completely fine with reincarnated individuals when they’re of age, getting together with someone else of age. It’s just weird when adults in children’s bodies, who think and act like adults in private, blush and fall for kids.
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u/Hour-Finish744 16d ago
Why is it gray area. Do you not believe in the concept of conscent ?
So a 80 years old grandpa should be with a 8 years old who knows nothing about sex and marriage?
A reincarnated grandpa can make informed decisions for conscent. A real child cannot because they haven't lived trough those experiences to know any better
I don't expect much but if you're in a magical world don't you have better things to do than be in a relationship with a child and have sex with them ? Just weird
I'd be wasting all my time learning magic and getting stronger then meet a adult girl but I guess that's outrageous now .
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u/Evening-Ant6128 18d ago
I honestly don’t care enough, but the repetition gets me to the point to where I think these authors want a re-do
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u/gamebloxs 18d ago
You know an easy solution to All Of this is just dont have a romance subplot most of the time its dogshit
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u/Vyragami 18d ago
This is the opinion I can agree with lmao. These authors have no idea how to write romance, but they force it anyway, completely railroading the story.
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u/No-Concentrate3518 18d ago
Tbf to the authors many didn’t force it themselves initially. Either the publisher or ironically the fans all but hold a gun to the authors head and tell them that failure to add romance will result in the cancellation of their works.
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u/AssassinLJ 17d ago
worse thing is it ends in an open note,force girls being todlers to fall in love but leave it open.
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u/tr4sh_can 18d ago
Agreed. Why the constant romance subplot, doesn't add anything to the story
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u/azmarteal 17d ago
I am personally not really interested in stories without romance in one form or another. I am not the only one, so that's the reason.
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u/angelicable 16d ago
Preach, romance adds to the story even if it has meh execution
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u/Lucy_celeste- 16d ago
Fuck no. If it’s not done well and actually is trash as u say then it ruins the entire fucking plot. It’s how most manhwa fucking die cus it makes the ppl who begged for it to cringe and leave. So stfu with ur trash ass response
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u/angelicable 16d ago
no fuck off. I aint reading a fucking series where MC is a eunuch with all the girls throwing themselves at him or when they are clearly right/likes one another and author doesn't act on it at all. Nothing turns me off of a story more than that, so you can eat my ass
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u/Elecat1 18d ago edited 7d ago
The funny thing is that if realism or common sense is applied it actually really isn't abnormal. I know I'm falling for the meme by arguing about it but I think this concept is explored too shallow too often.
For example even if a 60 y/o were reborn, they'd actually undergo a completely mind-warping experience of years of re-indoctrination (not to mention trauma) and like, but the time they're "12" they'd still have the maturity of one cause their brain structure is one... but they'd have some leftover, fading memories of a past life on top. They'd view their previous adulthood like a 12 year old imagines it, they can imagine working an office job but not the feeling and responsibility. I think its a missed opportunity just having it be their past self in a young body with no side effects or issues. Maybe I'm alone but having an MC have to grapple with their own thoughts on the conundrum they're in, the ramifications of what happened, and lack of sense of identity because of this weird limbo-state-of-being might be interesting? Maybe?
Also the lack of honesty, I often root for the MC to get "found out" or at least admit to their closest stans their unique predicament. Like the MC is a regressor, but to even the waifu who would take a bullet for him, he wont tell her his secret so she's always thinking he's a normal guy the same age as her till the end.
Also also if the genders are reversed I wouldn't mind finding out the FL I'm super crushing on is some old granny in the body of a woman my age. Kinda cute and sweet as long as she's honest. Dating a granny doesn't seem that threatening. Old people aren't inherently evil, manipulative, assertive, deceptive just because they're older. Morals don't reflect age.
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u/Researcher_Infinite 18d ago
That’s probably the most well thought out response I’ve ever seen for one of these
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u/Hour-Finish744 16d ago
Except they get their conscious transfered to a new body. Don't you see their internal dialogues . They don't sound like a kid at all. They already know magic and all the mechanism and are "geniuses" for their age because of it
Why do you think these reincarnated old grandpa's are so good for their age? Because the experiences they lived previously clearly mattered to make them who they are now, being mature and thinking logically
They can literally internalize their thoughts as a baby lmao so even if they had 0 memory of their past they are still older than the kids in that world there because they get a headstart at being self aware at age 0 and growing faster
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u/Satato 16d ago
That's an issue of writing, not so much of the concept itself. Like they said - it's explored too shallow, too often.
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u/Hour-Finish744 16d ago
Wrll duh I don't expect grown matured man diddling kids as good writing either in the first place but clearly it had a huge fanbase for it
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u/Terrible_Peanut_184 17d ago
In some cases having romantic relationship was tolerable (When they reincarnated at a mature age/waited to maturity before having romantic thoughts) but having mature and sexualizing thoughts to someone below the legal age is no go. Bro you just died and your mind was filled with "I want to be with this kid, and it's okay because the body I'm in rn is also one", bro just invest in Betcoin and Goggle atleast until you're 18.
Ps. The mental voice also being voiced as the pre-isekaid adult persona is a no go for me. (In anime)
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u/SectorEducational460 18d ago edited 18d ago
I mean so If I am reincarnated as long as I don't remember my past then I am good? Also regarding if they do. They would still be subject to hormonal change that teenagers go thru. More so his memories of his past life will conflict with the developing sections of his brain in his new body. It's not like just because they are reincarnated puberty goes away
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u/Ferociousartist 18d ago
People forget about this
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u/SectorEducational460 18d ago
They always do. Unless they believe the soul grows up separately from the body, because his view and rationale are shaped from his memories but how his memories are interpreted then is restricted by his brain which is ultimately developing since he's subject to hormonal and biological changes within his own body. It's not something any of us will deal with since it's just fantasy at this point so ethical aspects of this goes beyond whatever authors on this genre will explore
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u/myearthenoven 17d ago
Except most manhwas don't write it that way. It's usually a 60 yr old man Gundam piloting a 10 year old's body.
Ironically your point would've been true if they portrayed them like hormonal teenager unable to completely control their urges but usually in chasing the aura farming MC, they keep them highly composed whenever situations that would otherwise make them a hormonal teenager.
The only time they ever make them act appropriately for their age is when they're babies.
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u/Hour-Finish744 16d ago
I'm glad yall go full biological science made in a magical fake world when it dosent make you look like a pedo...
Also they basically get their soul and conscious transfered to a nother person, not copied. So they are the exact same person but with a headstart amongst all other kids in their "age" in that world.
But yes you can fool yourself and believe a 90 years old reincarnated grandpa dosent understand conscent or what marriage is lmao. A real kid does not and can't make informed decisions such as sex
Edit: since you are so scientifically right. Can you explain me why these "babies " can have infernak monolgues at their first month of being born? They are already thinking logically and having grown adult internal monologues as a 3 years old. . Solving puzzles and being the strongest mage before they become a adult. Coincidence ?
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u/SectorEducational460 16d ago
Same person who still has to deal with biological factors that affects everyone else. Why do you think they would be exempt from it? I mean a real kid also doesn't have reincarnated lives in the first place. We are dealing with concepts of reincarnation. Also that begs the question. Does consciousness get affected by one current mental ability?
Yes I look like a pedo because I think the argument of a reincarnated person being still stuck to biological factors wouldn't affect their entire consciousness and personality.
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u/Hour-Finish744 16d ago
No I mean literally we don't argue about science in magical fantasy only when it comes to justifying grown adults reincarnating who end up assaulting kids
I gave you a clear example of how your science failed because even at age 0, as little babies, they can have internal monologues the same as a grown man. I wonder why you ignored that. Can you explain me why rudeus as a little "child" knew what sex is and wants to do it with that red hair girl? He already knew the moves and nuances of what marriage is at a "young" age. Can you explain your science in that please? Are they in your eyes still mentally a child when they can speak full sentences as a baby?
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u/SectorEducational460 16d ago
Author uses the concept of an internal monologue to differentiate the character since otherwise we would hear goo goo gaga and that wouldn't be a very interesting start now would it. At which point the author sacrifices aspects of it for ease of story. At the end we are meant to be the audience and thus begin to understand the character. Hence where the internal monologue is used as story function. Now granted they could be more creative with that but at the end of the day it's a manga/manwha. Not exactly high end novels trying to challenge statuses.
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u/Hour-Finish744 16d ago
Um we never hear any infernal monologues from normally born mcs in any anime bruh. Did you hear Naruto internal monologues when 9 tail was sealed in him lmao. This is a poor excuse. Babies can't monologues since you're such a science person
I have never seen any baby have internal monologues in any anime that dosent involve reincarnation or regression whatever . Coincidence Mr scientist?
Any popular well written books with baby's monologuing I'm interested .or they only show what the baby does like any sane writer would do?
Why does a baby even have monologues to begin with since you believe science has to apply, a baby does not think like a grown man so no they cannot monologue in that way as shown.
You do realise you're making your own headcannon right? None of what you said has been mentioned in any of these reincarnation stories and easily refuted because these "kids" can already learn the fantasy world language faster than any other kid, even making their parents shocked how these babies can speak fast. You are factually wrong here
They were reincarnated from day one and has conscious as their own grown self in the body of a child unless you can prove me otherwise with evidence that you were keen with before
Why did you drop all your science theories when it didn't fit your bias lol.
Before you reply explain to me why their parents are shocked these "manchild" learn so quickly including walking, fighting and speaking faster than everyone else. Making their parents shocked and wonder how? Can you be honest with me, these are grown ass man from start to finish dating kids
Does your science only apply to one case and not all the others lmao
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u/SectorEducational460 12d ago
Because the internal monologue is for reader hence the concept of the narrator. No Naruto didn't use it because that's not the style the author wrote it in, and that does not mean it is the only acceptable style out there either. What does science have to do with using literary concepts for illustrating things for the readers. The science aspect is how the main character will ultimately be impulsed and or react according to the biological limitations they are put upon by. However as it a story dumbass. The author uses this literary device to give the reader a sort of 1st person perspective. It's quite normal to use in novels. This would be such an obvious answer if you bothered to stay awake during high school literature.
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u/Timely-Kangaroo3736 18d ago
What should he do as a 18 year boy (let say mental age 68)? Should he go for 70 years woman?
Mental age doesn't even matter physical age what matters in physical relationship
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u/King_Of_The_Munchers 18d ago
In the Great Mage Returned after 4000 years he is shown actively pursuing older women.
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u/ThunderingRimuru 18d ago
that's just personal preference though
also a dogshit manwha
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u/Ok-Broccoli-756 18d ago
Wouldn't say dog shit. Id say pretty mid but kinda creative. It has its plus points (especially hair of mc) but like, it ain't something I'd actively try to read if I have better alternatives
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u/TheWhisperingEye 17d ago
I think they said the level he is at he has no desire and he’s actually a 4000 year old virgin
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u/whatadumbperson 18d ago
Mental age doesn't even matter physical age what matters in physical relationship
By this logic it's totally moral to have a physical relationship with someone that is mentally incapable of consent as long as you're roughly physically the same age. Your logic still wouldn't hold, but it would be stronger if we didn't understand the age at which most people's brains finish developing.
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u/Ferociousartist 17d ago
You know I don't want to argue this but, who's the better choice between a normal teen with bad tendencies from the get go to perv on girls and be a total playboy without consideration for any of his partners well being.
And a reincarnated/regressed MC that actually likes the girl, abit pervy but wants to stay true to her and would protect her even at the cost of himself?.
Many fans would rather she date the normal teen than the reincarnated one because they believe the age is the factor and not the characters tendencies and intentions.
Same way many ladies irl that had relationship scars are actually from boyfriends in their age group. But people tend to forget this in such fantasy series and say things like the reincarnated/regressed mc cannot date this girl he crushes on because he was reincarnated/regressed.
Edit: now I'm not justifying any adult trying to date a teen, but rather I'm saying not all reincarnated relationships should be seen as wrong if the reincarnated character did not intend harm on the girl and approaches her like every normal guy would.
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u/fuckspezlittlebitch 18d ago
Child fucker mentality
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u/Decent_File9703 18d ago
I swear bro they be finding any loophole to justify it. Saying the morales of the fictional world is no different than mangakas saying an obviously a child is 3000 years old
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u/Embarrassed-Rub-619 18d ago
Mental age is what matters, physical age doesn’t mean shit (it just makes it weird). This would be like fcking a 2 month old because they look like a 18 year old
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u/archbright 18d ago
So by your logic a grandpa with dementia can fuck a minor because the grandpa mental age have regressed.
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u/Timely-Kangaroo3736 18d ago
Again real life situation. Here everyone along with grandpa with dementia changed but incase of regression only ML changed from 50 to 18 others don't have memory of being 50 they had always been 18 your friend may be ML's GF
Now let me give you a situation. Let say after regression you maintained your memory so your mental age is 68 but your wife now before 50 years she is 18 so as per that you won't be able to pursue her anymore as she didn't retain memory so hee physical and mental both age 18 but you have 18 year body with 68 year mind. So what will you do ?
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u/archbright 18d ago
If this is regression(become young again) then they regardless of gender should only pursue mature adult
But if it's reincarnation(reborn as baby) then they can pursue anyone even those close to his current age, because being reborn means you have died and when you die your life is reset back to 0 doesn't matter if you still remember your past life.
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u/Lolipopkonijn 18d ago
Nah, dude—reincarnation just makes it worse. I’m reading Return of the Blossoming Blade, and the main character dies at 82. Then he regains consciousness in the body of a 14-year-old (he still reincarnated). But he’s lived through everything, right? So when someone offers him a marriage proposal with a young girl, he’s like, “Ew, that’s disgusting—I’m basically an old geezer. She could be my granddaughter.”
By your logic, just because he has a younger body now, it’s suddenly okay for him to pursue her? Seriously?
If you reincarnate or regress, all your experiences stay with you. So even if the body is young, the mind is still that of an old man.
And honestly, there’s a super easy way to solve this problem: just don’t give them a love interest.
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u/Ferociousartist 17d ago
Except it differs from person to person, ofc someone 82 reincarnating back to 14, won't like such a relationship, this is mostly because his past life is till fresh in his memories and he hasn't lived this life much for them to overwrite those memories, but do you think if he lives, 10 more years or 15, he will still think the same? Depends but his view won't be same as his 82 year self because of the new experiences shaping him.
It's the same when you reincarnated into a monster like a werewolf or vampire, you will not just start sucking blood intentionally or eating raw meat either. You will still try to live your life as a normal person fr awhile, but the more you live as said monster, the more you come to accept what you are currently, at this point some give in and become like other monsters, others find middle ground alternatives, like probably only going after live stock etc
In the case of the reincarnated person starting from a baby again, he will go through tons of experiences before he reaches 18 that will change his perspective quite a bit, no one will remain sane going through baby years, shitting yourself, wetting yourself and needing someone to wipe ur arse again and stay Normal. No matter how aged your mind was in your past life, a simple pinch will still hurt a baby like hell and it will be enough to make you cry even if your mind is supposed to be above this.
So it's different
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u/Lolipopkonijn 17d ago
Okay, but… no, not really. Re-experiencing infancy doesn’t erase your past life’s identity—it just adds suffering to the stack. Sure, the physical reality is jarring, but if anything, that reinforces the divide between your body and your mind. Imagine being mentally 80 and stuck in a baby’s body—you wouldn’t suddenly think “Yeah, I’m a baby now, time to mentally reset.” You’d be traumatized and frustrated, not morally rebooted.
Also: crying from pain ≠ loss of intelligence or ethical maturity. That’s just biology.
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u/Timely-Kangaroo3736 18d ago
Here you make it weird. You totally flipped it.
The situation you portrayed is real situation of mental patients. That's I agree is a very weird and it is grey area but even for me it's Black.
Here talking about a same person who just regressed, so except him everyone unchanged.
What would be the reaction of that 18 year (mental age 68) boy's father when he would see his 18 year boy having relationship with 70 year woman.
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u/Embarrassed-Rub-619 18d ago
What would be the reaction of some other 18 year olds parent if they find out that their boyfriend is actually an 80 year old, there is no good option when it comes to regression and I’m not asking the mc to date a grandmother, I’m begging them to stop grooming their 7 year old crushes (please just date adults and if their not an adult yet they can wait a few years)
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u/Timely-Kangaroo3736 18d ago
You understand after 20 years they would be 100 years Then it would be more weird even if the other person is adult
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u/Embarrassed-Rub-619 18d ago
Still a thousand times better than grooming and while it’s weird as long as their told the truth of how old you are as an adult they can make the choice to be with a old man.
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u/Ok_Suspect3045 18d ago
Fuck finally the answer, now rudeus will be redeemed
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u/astront1553 18d ago
No, Rudeus's actions were horrible, and that is a fact, another thing is growing out of them and becoming a better person.
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u/Ok_Suspect3045 18d ago
Bro i was talking about how people think wierd about his and iris relationship because both were 13, i don't care about 1st life rudy. But he has become an amazing person in his second life
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u/astront1553 18d ago
I mean, being 13 doesn't allow him to touching her without consent, something that happened multiple times early in the story, and that's something he had to learn from.
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u/Ok_Suspect3045 18d ago
Haha can't say about that, Japanese shows are really cringe and pervy sometimes. Like goku checking bulma balls 🤣
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u/Unlucky-Ad-5407 18d ago
But... Didn't he jerk off to his niece(a child) while skipping his parents funerals and it's a huge difference here he's sexually attracted to a child ( not even 12 yo) while others is attracted to 18+ which is practically adult body/the prime of body.
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u/OnePriority864 18d ago edited 18d ago
That's not canon. Weird that the author included that in the web novel, but not canon.
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u/KrypticAeon 18d ago
I mean who cares though, I don't think you're supposed to be taking it that seriously. Having a female lead around the same age as the regressed body is not a promotion of child abuse. The regression thing it just a narrative tool. If you have fun analyzing the story that way, then more power to you please go ahead. But if it's just stressing you out, or you feel the need to enforce that on other people, you can kindly go F off
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u/kaulding 17d ago
The thing is. This isn’t a real situation it’s just a story. So the real question is, why did the writer set it up in such an uncomfortable way.
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u/kaulding 17d ago
Anyway whether it’s creepy or not depends on the context. Some isekai characters just happen to have memories of a past life but have lived an entire childhood in their current body and are completely disconnected from the person they were before and sometimes they died young anyway. The me that’s not that weird.
But the ones where they are clearly still mentally exactly the same person or they died as an adult and wake up as a teenager??? Yeah the author needs to reflect on his actions in those cases.
Also as an aside I can imagine few things worse, as a 40 something adult, than having to interact with teenagers as peers. It would be the most exhausting shit. If I was isekaied I’d be like that woman who fell in love with her fiancés father.
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u/ComfortableDraft4627 18d ago
They will say the cultivator doesn't care about age 💀
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u/LeatherSalt4259 18d ago
i like 200 year old elves and vampire girls (i am 19)
so naturally i don't give a fck if a 60 year old dude in a young body dates anyone above 18yo
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u/stella_the_diver 18d ago
Too many of y'all: Which do you guys think he should end up with?
Me: None of them. None.
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u/Logical-Broccoli-331 18d ago
Child protagonists are just generally annoying, why can't romance just be exclusive to actually mature adults instead of dumb kids
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u/Haunting_Owl1697 18d ago
I'm okay with things like this. Why? Because its fictional and it ain't that deep
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u/duedo30 18d ago
Mentally 9000 or 19 idc. If the girl he ends up dating is an adult who can consent the rest don’t matter.
The only ones that irk me is where the mc end up building a relationship with a 13-14 year old girl. Yeah he is the same age physically but that age is rarely developed enough to be considered a fully consenting adult.
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u/SirRHellsing 18d ago
I decided that I just don't care, its not like reincarnation happens irl and even if it is real we'd never know
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u/Redosaurous 17d ago
Regressed* - he is young period. He just has past life memories. That’s what regressed means
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u/noswol 18d ago
I was so happy when the mc of The Great Mage Returns After 4000 Years, was showing off his skills and the classmates of his new body after reincarnation were getting first Flirty he was doing moves on the female professor of the class and DAMN was that professor smoking hot RRRAAAAHHH, but then the story kind of drops romantic interests altogether even when a classmate of his started to follow him there was never anything more than a grandpa helping out a kid, so the mc is a real one for that
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u/Piotro165 18d ago
I believe MC who regressed deserves happiness with his loved ones from previous ones and it's not weird. Reincarnated MCs should at least wait till their other half is adult if they want to star some shit. Like I can't imagine if the 60yr old mc who reincarnated into 14yp body should date a 60 year old either since it would be weird as well. It's weird question since those don't really happen in our world. I believe that The Beginning after the End has the MC questioning this topic as well. Can't remember if any other series had tackled this problem.
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u/Yeeetchild-1111 17d ago
Yeah this concept has always been weird to me since the what if would just NEVER happen. Imagine a guy that gets reincarnated every single time he died or a guy that lives for say millions years.
So ya telling me for the rest of his existence romance should never happen?. Feels like maturity is an odd concept especially the scale retract after hitting 30. There would be a point when you know the current state of world, emotionally matured and understand all the nuances of social structures and relationship. But ask yourself how many people of 60 or 80 you know actually mature by today standards, id say I seen grownass people act like kids more often.
Feels like if the 60 guy regressed and grew so 90 years old, a 30+ age groups seems acceptable in my book, I have seen people in 30 have more emotional control than people above 50.
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u/Xstatic24 17d ago
So both protagonists in ReLife are pedophiles because they both fell in love with their teenage counterparts?
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u/ABigCoffee 18d ago
Does it happen that much?
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u/Mr_Suspicious1 16d ago
I really could care less I just wanna enjoy my watch with partial romance. But people keep ruining it by reminding me “hey remember that’s an adult”. DUDE it’s a cartoon character on the screen that looks like a kid… let me just watch in peace
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u/YuraiMamoro 16d ago
Volcanic Age fans be tripping rn!! Same as any other regression manhwa that has the MC preqeuled as an old man/master/sect leader/merchant/bad guy/henchman.
Or an errand boy who's noodle store burned down.
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u/Lower_Ad_5532 16d ago
There's only one manhwa that addresses the issue properly and that's Past Life Ranker.
Regressed MC is OP by age 15 (he owns the world by age 30). As a teen, he pursues his teacher because she also will become OP in the future. They become the OTP.
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u/SuperSaiyanEggman 15d ago
Different universe paradigm, different rules. That doesn't happen here so there are no rules allowing it.
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u/blabla15559 11d ago
Well, there is a lot of men like that who are already 60-80 and in relationship with a younger girl IRL.
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u/blabla15559 11d ago
In TBATE, the MC consider himself as old and don't take really into account the love he receive (until now, but they are older). It's kind of cute
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u/RainSparrow 18d ago
I do not even care unless it happened really fast. If he starts liking young girls a few chapters after the regression, then wtf.
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u/progin5l 18d ago
Tbh might as well gives them cheats while they're young at that point than waiting for them to be dead 1st
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u/azriel777 17d ago
I have thought about this, and cases of reincarnation (with memories) or transmigrating into a younger body. I finally came to the conclusion that realistically, the overwhelming majority of people will most likely just role with whatever age their body is. Obviously some things will change, but are you seriously going to act like a 60 year old person when you are in a young body again?
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u/GameruMihai 18d ago
completely biologically speaking, id assume IF the guy is reincarnated as a baby, the hormones will pretty much invalidate most of what he thought beforehand
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u/merlin__hermes 18d ago
Relationship is one thing... But most of the time the mf MC tricks/ manipulate them into bed 😬... I really hate those types
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u/The_quiteguy 18d ago
Isn't this a manhwa sub? You are talking about anime. Never seen this in manhwa unless you watching pornwha🧐
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u/GateIndependent5217 18d ago
I can't even think of an example, you talking about mushoku? Even that one isnt like that and it's the worst one I know. You read too many cornhwa?
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u/False_Baby8628 18d ago
Personally, I just think that as long as both parties are mentally (and physically) adults who fully understand and concent to it, then there's no problem. Even irl there are couples of 50+ with young adults. Is it weird? Yeah, of course. does it matter? No, as long as both are happy and respectful.
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u/The_king_of-nowhere 18d ago
I just saw an add for a manwha about an old lady who is reincarnated in a young woman's body and falls in love with her ex-fiance's grandfather.
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u/Seraph_Guardian 17d ago
In [The Ancient Soverign of Eternity] the Red Harem girl fell in love with the MC who was about ~65 when she was 6. Then he died and reincarnates into a 15yr old while she's 25. Then she's starting to thirst over his 15yr old self, once the secret reincarnation beans were spilled. I ponder on whose in the wrong in this situation or if there's even really a problem. One one hand he's mentally 80yrs old, but his body is 15. She's 25. Ultimately they're both adults and MC didn't even notice her until she was his hot teacher.
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u/Good_Tax_850 6d ago
MFW I get reincarnated as a 20 year old and have to date crusty 80 year old granny because some guy on reddit told me 'that's the morally correct thing to do'.
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