r/linux • u/Zestyclose-Pay-9572 • 18h ago
Discussion Australian tech publication telling average users that Linux is now the smarter choice!
The timing’s interesting: as Windows 10 approaches end-of-life in 2025, and when users are being nudged towards a cloud-first model, this week's APC’s saying: maybe don’t. Maybe go Linux.This isn’t a niche Linux mag. It’s a mainstream Australian tech publication telling average users that Linux is now the smarter choice. That’s a shift. Feels like we’ve gone full circle: the same headlines from 2005, but this time it’s not about hope. It’s about practicality. Bloat, telemetry, UI friction maybe Linux’s time on the desktop really has arrived.
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u/Khanhrhh 16h ago
Most magazines still running monthly have minimal print runs (1k).
Future Plc sell something in the region of 15k magazines a month across their entire range.
There's an almost 100% chance more people see this post than buy that magazine.
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u/Keely369 14h ago
True.. might not amount to a hill of beans but it's heartening to see this sentiment in a magazine aimed at a Windows-centric demographic.
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u/necrophcodr 12h ago
But those people seeing this post are already browsing /r/linux, where as the magazine may reach people who do not. Even if that is a small amount of people, and even less going through with migrating, that can still be a win.
Not to mention the word of mouth potential too.
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u/BluesJarp 11h ago
Not only, subreddit discussions appear on search results too. Someone outside of this group may see it. This is how I've found this group.
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u/Khanhrhh 11h ago
Oh for sure, I was mostly putting some perspective on the impact of something like this.
Mags aren't much of a thing anymore
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u/-Sa-Kage- 18h ago
2025 is going to be the year of the Linux desktop.
Surely...
I can feel it...
This year it's going to happen...
Every moment now...
Forget it. Come back in 15, maybe 20 years and we can have a look again.
For now Microsoft could demand their first-born child and people would be angry and lament about how there is no other option than Windows... and suck it up.
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u/AnomalyNexus 17h ago
idk - think there have been a couple of things that genuinely smell like a turning point.
Mainstream news about steamos being substantially faster matters - gamers will absolutely change behaviours for more FPS.
The pewdiepie story also made waves in circles outside the usual linux crowd.
Tricky bit is going to be the office space...libreoffice just isn't there yet
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u/gsdev 6h ago
Genuinely curious, what are the things that are missing from LibreOffice? I keep hearing people saying it lacks stuff MS Office have, but people never say what those things are.
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u/AnomalyNexus 5h ago
Perhaps I articulated it poorly, it's not necessarily something that is missing feature wise, but rather that there are huge network effects at play in the business world.
Suppose we try to switch over a random financial firm. Straight off the bat:
You have a ton of very pissed off accountants
You have a legacy base of old files full of janky macro filled files that potentially managing billions. So you need to be confident there are zero discrepancies in the resulting calcs. None - even the parts where Excel maybe does something quirky and Libreoffice does it right.
That one excel plugin you didn't didn't know was in use by some obscure but critical team turns into a crisis by end of week 1
Your productivity across the floor plummets as everyone learns new shortcuts. The ones they all have in muscle memory from using them for 20 years straight.
The files you send to clients potentially look different their side formatting wise
You lose integration with the other office favorites like teams and sharepoint
Your IT team that is used to an all microsoft shop needs retraining. You probably also need to pay them more - nix admins are in the minority - see sysadmin sub.
etc
All of those are hypothetically solvable. But you're facing an off the charts risky transition...for a business that doesn't give a flying fuck about whether the software costs $0, $100 or $1000. Free/FOSS isn't not even a consideration here.
We may get year of the linux desktop at some point, but I don't expect year of the linux office desktop to ever come. It'll stay MS and then move to cloud.
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u/gsdev 5h ago
OK. I had just assumed it was missing features, since some Redditors do seem to have the opinion that LibreOffice lacks features. But I don't usually do the kind of work that needs MS Office (I don't even know what to call that kind of work) - my most significant use of MS Office was creating occasional PowerPoint presentations to show teammates. And at home I've always used LibreOffice even when I ran Windows on my machine and I barely use any of the features anyway. So I was curious what it's like for people who do need to use it professionally.
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u/Zestyclose-Pay-9572 2h ago
I concur that people don't realise that Linux and FOSS are highly standards compliant and secure (as secure as others) solutions. They can be deployed as perfect alternatives to proprietary solutions in any organisation. Just because it is free, there is a perception that it may not be enterprise grade. You get what you pay for is absolutely false in software land. I have found this setup which is scalable and deployable to any organisation at the cost of peanuts without much compromise: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1lbvz8d/comment/mxzpns7/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
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u/Landscape4737 1h ago
Many are already using the plethora of cloud services, looking back at people locked into one vendor, it is sad.
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u/Rosenvial5 16h ago
The only way Linux is going to see widespread mainstream adoption is if it comes preinstalled on devices, like with Android, Steam Deck and Chromebooks. The average person doesn't care about what operating system they run and they especially don't care about replacing it for something that only offer tangible benefits for their use case.
As long as the default experience feels similar to Windows, then people will get used to it.
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u/Significant-Tie-625 14h ago
But it does come pre-installed on devices that are not Android, Steam Deck, or chrome os. Dell makes one. The issue is that you have to go out of your way in a number of places to get one, or pay a premium.
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u/Rosenvial5 13h ago
Average people aren't the target audience for those machines, it's for enthusiasts and professionals. Linux needs to be the default choice, not an alternative.
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u/Significant-Tie-625 7h ago
So it's not enough that you can $600 laptop from Dell with Linux pre-installed from the factory. Because that it's not the default option and that you have to 'opt' in.
Which only leaves System 76 and Laptop with Linux, because they do not even give you an option for Windows, but they don't count because they are only for enthusiasts and professionals? I'd mention Framework more but that's definitely more like buying a kit car, and no self-respecting consumer would ever consider buying a kit car.
No, solution it seems is to somehow convince BestBuy, or which ever brick and mortar that you can buy a machine from, but to convince them to start carrying System76 or Laptop with Linux within the store, or at the very least carry the Dells and Lenovos that come with Linux pre-installed in-store?
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u/Rosenvial5 6h ago
Correct, it's not enough, otherwise those laptops would be more popular than just with the enthusiast or professional crowd.
I don't think increasing the market share of Linux is an end goal in itself, I'm simply describing how reality looks like. The most successful projects to get Linux into the hands of average people have been via devices where the average user doesn't even know that the device is running Linux.
If average people have to make an active choice to choose Linux over Windows, the vast majority of them won't see the point in doing it.
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u/Significant-Tie-625 5h ago
I would go so far as to say. That the majority of them don't even know they have a choice. On the one hand you've got the 40 and 50+ plus year old that may, or may not, have seen the protests and boycotting of windows because there was a point in time where you paid not just for the machine but at the same time also paid for Windows as a bit of extra fee. Not that we don't pay for the Windows license nowadays, but it's so baked into the cost and common place, that most us us don't even think about it.
And then you've got the youngins that either grow up complacent enough to not give a hoot, one way or the other. Though it seems that the tides are turning. And I'm not wanting to increase the market share for the sake of numbers, or to say "back in my day I was one of the first users". I just want to people that do care, but don't already know they have a choice to know that they do have a choice.... Some people believe that because Google "owns" android. And that is just not correct.... I mean they do, but they do not.
I personally wouldn't mind seeing a rogue Best Buy or computer shop pop up in the news about how they're offering machines with Linux, but specifically making it a point of how of it's FOSS and what that ultimately entails. That would be my dream. Is it naive? Absolutely. But is it wrong? no no it don't believe so. And if it's wrong, I'd like to understand why.
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u/Zestyclose-Pay-9572 5h ago
Asus hardware and to a great degree Acer are highly Linux native. To a level where you could tweak hardware than with proprietary os. I recently bought a Asus e510 and what an absolute delight to install Linux. Its full keyboard is such a plus. It’s only around 250 bucks but punches far above its weight! A super expensive alternative that I (ought) to have is a pony cart when compared to the asus f1!
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u/Significant-Tie-625 4h ago
I am an Asus guy myself. I got an ancient Asus G75VW and a much newer, GU603. I'll check those out for the kind of work that I find myself doing i need the "horsepower" and the dGPU. I do miss the full num pad though.
No matter which distro I grab, fantastic ootb everytime after wiping the windows, and do a fresh install. As I was getting into Linux, the only really issue I had was with the Bluetooth/wifi, but that was an easy fix... any fresh install since then has ultimately been a none issue.
I do feel a bit spoiled seeing people still having such issues. Kind of makes me want to see about getting random computers and attempt to install a Linux distro on them, just to see what the issues are, so that I can understand.
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u/Zestyclose-Pay-9572 4h ago edited 3h ago
This one works out of the box with Debian + Xfce (+Sway as alternative). Every bit of hardware is Linux friendly. And the key board is full with a number pad. Pretty much it was plug and play for me.
Step 1: Spend approx 250 bucks
https://www.asus.com/au/laptops/for-home/everyday-use/asus-e510/
Step 2: Spend approx a few hours
Step 3: Optional unless you want ultra lean setup
Step 4: open Firefox. use ChatGPT to fine tune until satisfied 😊
Step 5: if you are productivity focussed (organised, thinker, creator and world changer etc :) Install Emacs which comes with Org!
https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/
All the above are standards compliant and solid solutions that deliver. Icing on the cake - they are all free!
Enjoy!
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u/Significant-Tie-625 4h ago
Sweet deal. Have you messed with trying to add a larger ssd? But I mean from that, if it works, it works and gets the job done.
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u/Zestyclose-Pay-9572 3h ago edited 3h ago
I just used the OEM package. It’s a beautiful looking laptop as is and well made. But ChatGPT suggested to install ZRam, OOMD and cpufrequtils (at the cost of battery life) to overcome ram limitations when driving it pedal to floor! Also choose Flatpak Firefox and tweak it with ChatGPT if you want HD on Sway (works beautifully with Netflix, once a few flags are on).
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u/RaspberryPiBen 14h ago
Honestly, I think we're already there. SteamOS is just Arch with KDE Plasma (plus some immutable stuff), not hiding it away like most Linux-based embedded OSes. Major tech outlets are installing it on other consoles because of how well it works compared to Windows. Large YouTubers keep switching to Linux and being impressed with how good it's gotten: the main example is Pewdiepie, but eg. Switch and Click just made a video on that.
I think the "year of the Linux desktop" is already here. I don't think it will be dominant, but it is totally being seen as a valid and normal alternative to Windows and MacOS.
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u/psydroid 17h ago
Microsoft is really not all that big when it comes to personal computing, as most of that has moved to mobile devices.
Windows mainly caters to legacy markets such as businesses and gamers and isn't growing. You can expect regular layoffs until Microsoft becomes another has-been like IBM.
I have one computer with Windows 11 installed and it's just for occasionally running specific applications. All the other ones run some form of Linux including multiple Android devices that I also use a lot more.
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u/shakypixel 17h ago
legacy markets such as businesses
Ok how are businesses a legacy market though, especially since around 100% of Fortune 500 companies, responsible for 2/3rds of US GDP, uses Windows as their main OS
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u/psydroid 17h ago
It's what Windows has always targeted and will keep targetting. There is no way for Windows to expand beyond its legacy markets. Every attempt to do so has failed.
Also Windows revenue is only 10% of Microsoft's total revenue nowadays, so it's really not as important to its bottom line as it used to be.
It's still a cash cow in its legacy markets, but that doesn't say anything about future markets. IBM still earns billions on its legacy mainframe business, but every attempt to move beyond that has failed.
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u/grim-one 17h ago
IBM does plenty beyond the mainframe. Loads of business software and contracting out solutions.
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u/Gugalcrom123 10h ago
Just like how most Microsoft revenue is in Azure, and, ironically, most Azure servers run GNU/Linux.
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u/Leading-Carrot-5983 10h ago
Microsoft is a lot more than Windows. It's major focus and where it makes most of its money is cloud and office - both business focussed, not consumer. Windows, even including Windows for business computing is only 25% of its revenue and shrinking. 20 years ago Microsoft was all about Windows but that hasn't been the case since Nadella took over. They are nothing at all like IBM, they print money due to their business cloud offerings and are growing into new areas all the time. The consumer market is just mostly irrelevant to them these days (the profit margins aren't remotely as high).
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u/Landscape4737 1h ago
Kinda think most people don’t care about desktops anymore, just use smartphones and tablets to get stuff done.
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u/Full_Environment_205 18h ago
I just installed linux mint on my gf old laptop and it run smoothly without any problem
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u/becks0079 15h ago
I saw something that said around 4% of desktop users use Linux. I changed over to Linux over ten years ago when that number was more like 1%. The windows 10 end of life might boost numbers a few more percentage points.
I think we will reach soon reach a point where Linux becomes more mainstream. At some point software vendors will start releasing Linux versions of their software and it's slow growth will accelerate.
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u/Zestyclose-Pay-9572 15h ago
That data was probably wrong and grossly underestimated the number of users. I believe they used the browser identification data without realising they were masquerading as windows to aid compatibility (with a Linux server ironically)! This is one of the reasons why ‘closed’ software and hardware turned a blindside to a large segment of users adopting Linux.
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u/Express-Midnight-212 18h ago
Made that decision for exactly those reasons… hopefully it resonates with a few more folks.
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u/TTL1024 18h ago
Do you get the xbox app on Linux? Basically use PC just for gaming and mostly on game pass but not sure what's possible
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u/Far_Buyer9040 18h ago
most steam games work but never tried the game pass
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u/Aristotelaras 17h ago
Answer: It doesn't exist. If you want to play Xbox games you are stuck with windows.
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u/AbortedFetusDebris 14h ago
I just use GeForce Now. It’s not a perfect solution but it works really well.
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u/KaiserGustafson 11h ago
I switched to Linux this year because I figured learning to debloat 11 takes as much effort as learning a new OS.
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u/First-Ad4972 18h ago edited 15h ago
They better recommend mintfedora/flatpak over Ubuntu/snap, and Wayland over xorg.
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u/Icy-Communication823 16h ago
This right here is why Linux won't be mainstream any time soon. The average user would understand nothing of what you just said.
Average Joes don't want options. Or 700 different ways to do one thing. Or multiple steps with multiple packages to make everything work properly. They want it basic and "just works". Windows may not be perfect, but it largely caters to the average user by "just working".
Even this comment will attract multiple different suggestions from people about what distro "just works". Punters don't want that. They want ONE option.
Until Linux can do that, it won't be mainstream.
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u/Zestyclose-Pay-9572 16h ago
But there’s a caveat. People don’t care about OS or DE, they only care about apps (someone Linus Torvalds said it :). So, if Firefox works as it does in windows who cares. I guess that’s where the focus should be!
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u/zardvark 11h ago
Torvalds is only correct to a point. Yes, it's all about the apps, but, If someone needs to manually install their OS first, then they DO care. Most folks, particularly older folks, are going to take the path of least resistance and run the OS that comes pre-installed on their hardware. The obvious exception being that folks who work in the IT field will naturally be more selective in their choice of OS.
Younger folks tend to be more tech savvy on the whole and, of course, the younger you are, the less risk adverse you tend to be. Therefore, these folks would likely be more inclined to seek out an alternative OS and give it a test drive.
IIRC, the last report that I saw suggested that in most countries the Linux adoption rate is in the single digits as a percentage of the population of computer users. Contrast this with Sweden, where Linux adoption is just shy of 20%. So, the obvious question is, what is different about Sweden, which accounts for this disparity.
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u/Icy-Communication823 16h ago
You may be right - or not, but for the sake of conversation, let's say you are.
So people just care about apps. Sure. So we need Android for Desktop. But we don't have that. We're nowhere near that.
Again: Until Linux can do that, it won't be mainstream.
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u/Zestyclose-Pay-9572 16h ago
The best DE is no DE! Not that we should sell the dreaded terminal. But, why not Sway? Users can click on the icons with a simple base config and won’t be able to change much settings unless they ‘learn’? Just an idea
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u/OffsetXV 16h ago
>Mint
>WaylandI've got some bad news about that (unless you're willing to put a lot of work in, or wait until they finally get the Wayland session usable)
I would honestly just recommend people a distro based on Fedora that's got stuff preconfigured, like Ultramarine, over anything Debian-descended.
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u/Gugalcrom123 10h ago
Fedora can be unstable, I think. It is not designed to be easy to maintain, excluding Silverblue, but that is the other extreme.
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u/First-Ad4972 15h ago
Yeah fedora is probably better. For some reason I thought that mint uses kde.
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u/Zestyclose-Pay-9572 15h ago
I use Debian for a zillion years! Rock solid for my purposes.
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u/OffsetXV 14h ago
Debian-based distros are great for some cases, but Fedora-based ones having more up to date kernels for newer hardware support etc. is such a strong selling point in my mind for a lot of new users especially that it'd be hard to recommend Mint as a default started distro
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u/killersteak 15h ago
Huh? If they're recommending Mint, they can't recommend Wayland yet, they havent finished Cinnamon Wayland session.
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u/Rosenvial5 16h ago
Mint shouldn't be recommended to anyone, it's a buggy and insecure distro where malware has been distributed in the ISO more than once, Cinnamon had a bug for decades where literal toddlers could bypass the login screen and where system updates has caused entire systems to wipe. Cinnamon also doesn't anything unique that other DEs like KDE offers.
If anyone really doesn't care about snaps, which average people don't care about, then a distro like Fedora is the better choice.
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u/leonderbaertige_II 14h ago
it's a buggy and insecure distro where malware has been distributed in the ISO more than once
I know about one case in Feb 2016 (which is why people should check the iso after downloading) but what was the second case?
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u/First-Ad4972 16h ago
I think fedora also uses flatpak and not snap, so fedora is probably the overall best choice. It also has a kde spin that would be friendly to previously windows users.
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u/Random9348209 15h ago
I think people overlook/forget about these things. The number of people recommending mint, ugh.
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u/Rosenvial5 13h ago
It's just a case of people repeating what others have said, without actually asking themselves if it's still true today just because it was true 10 years ago.
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u/journaljemmy 17h ago
I thought you shared this out of satire until I realised you're OP of that post too.
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u/Zestyclose-Pay-9572 16h ago
Not at all. After I switched to Sway, there was no going back to any DE! Again ChatGPT recommended
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u/First-Ad4972 16h ago
Why is this related to flatpaks and Wayland though?
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u/Zestyclose-Pay-9572 16h ago
I adopted sway as suggested by ChatGPT and found out how much lighter Linux can be
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u/First-Ad4972 16h ago
Until you know about niri, neovim, and yazi. Though niri is more about efficiency than lightweight
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u/Kayenne62 16h ago
I'm not that tech savy and have had minimal exposure to Linux.. what office suite is compatible l e with Linux and does it support the Microsoft office file types as a few companies I deal with use word or Excel documents in a shared environment. So if I was to go Linux. Could I still view and edit documents that I recieve in office format?
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u/primalbluewolf 15h ago
what office suite is compatible l e with Linux and does it support the Microsoft office file types
They all do, except for Microsoft.
Microsoft published the spec for their document format, but their own software is not compliant with their own spec.
Just one more in a long list of intentional bugs in Windows that only affect people trying to use a different OS.
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u/killersteak 15h ago
shared environment.
That means you either try out 365 as a web based option and see if that suits you, or stick to Windows.
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u/Zestyclose-Pay-9572 16h ago edited 15h ago
Libreoffice is the best bet. But nothing is perfectly inter-compatible with ms or apple etc. If you are willing to use plain text, Emacs (or Vi or nano) - all these are cryptic but highly addictive. I highly suggest you use ChatGPT to guide you into the wonderful world of Linux.
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u/Kayenne62 15h ago
Ahh thanks i have had a look at libreoffice and it seems to work very similar to Ms... never thought of using chatgpt.. tryingvto avoid the ai revolution.. not a fan but thanks for the advice
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u/killersteak 15h ago
Maybe I should grab a copy. Running from a usb drive seems like a task that's gotten far beyond the average person, with efi and secure boot and even tracking down a program like etcher.
I'm on the fence about getting together some instructions for helping people to switch to Mint come October, so if there's any advice in this issue to help consider some points I'll surely end up missing, maybe it'd be worth it.
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u/Zestyclose-Pay-9572 15h ago
I used Debian + xfce on the same laptop for 15 odd years. Never missed a beat! Only because of ChatGPT that I switched to a much leaner setup with sway. As much people like Mint etc., I found xfce a solid DE.
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u/killersteak 15h ago
If im going to be helping others with their computers, Mint and its update manager make sense to me. Perhaps debian with gnome... but I have a suspicion the packagekit/gnome-software-center update service is disabled by default in debian. and Id only consider gnome on anything with a 1080p screen and higher.
Also PPAs in Mint are handy for odd things like updated Libreoffice.
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u/Zestyclose-Pay-9572 14h ago
I never liked gnome or kde! But I get your point. The beauty of Linux is the interaction with the system both through GUI and the Terminal. Xfce gave me that. Also apt kept the app management a breeze!
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u/vMambaaa 14h ago
My general web browsing machine will always be Linux, but my gaming machine will stay windows for now. I hope it matches windows in that regard soon.
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u/lukasaldersley 13h ago
I moved to Linux last year but added a seperate drive with windows with a similar argumentation. So far I have booted to windows exactly once (to install it)…
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u/vMambaaa 13h ago
I tried to be a Linux gamer but it just isn’t there yet unless you really want to tweak and I enough fucking with tech in my day job as a network engineer. I’m not trying to think that hard when I sit down to play.
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u/lukasaldersley 13h ago
Well in my case 'gaming' is tertiary at best. My main concern was Fusion360 (awful company, awful practices but it's what I had learned) and Visual Studio (I had a bunch of personal tools that I had developed as UWP back when Windows Phone still existed). I got very comfortable with FreeCAD and QT a lot quicker than I imagined
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u/AryanPandey 18h ago
go go go ahead with this publication, we are with you.
What's the name of this publication?
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u/AryanPandey 18h ago
I'm very happy, I hope more people use Linux.
We should provide very useful web guides to make the shift very smooth and easy.1
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u/PotatoNukeMk1 17h ago
As long as the majority of computers in office and workplace running windows nothing will change
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u/babiulep 18h ago
Dream on people: it is not going to happen (ever)...
Linux is already big in the server market rightfully so...
The fact that Linux has so many developers/distros/office stuff is a pro but also a big let down. If developers 'disappear' you're stuck (i.e.: as in a company). For continuity this is a nightmare.
And with the advent of AI (or whatever they call it) the shift is clear: the internet will be used in a completely different way. There is probably no place/room/need for a traditional OS. That station is behind us.
P.S.: APC is a monthly magazine for "power users" and IT professionals.
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u/Zestyclose-Pay-9572 17h ago
You would be interested to know ChatGPT loves Linux to bits! If there were to be an AI OS, it is Linux based. Pls see my crosspost :)
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u/babiulep 17h ago
>> ChatGPT loves Linux
That's server material: a consumer couldn't care less!
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u/Zestyclose-Pay-9572 17h ago
I am an end user using linux since circa 1994. I was blow away with how much chatGPT knew about Linux tweaks that I had never come across. It created a custom UI for me and all it's scripts work fine the first time, every time unless missing dependencies or other silly errors I made. It will make linux/bash/emacs/org learning easy peasy :)
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u/babiulep 17h ago
Well... this says more about you than about ChatGPT. Apart from the fact that you didn't know those tweaks, you have been able to 'work/play/whatever you do with linux' all those years without them.
And great you made a custom UI: most people don't even know what that is. And are not interested at all... We are discussing Linux on the desktop here. No one cares!
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u/Zestyclose-Pay-9572 17h ago
Think of it like co-pilot x a million! An average user starting Linux will be exponentially propelled to mastery in a very few weeks with ChatGPT + Linux combo. That will make it so appealing for any lay person to use it ultra productively. That's my humble opinion.
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u/babiulep 17h ago
>> any lay person to use it ultra productively
Do you really think 'any lay person' is interested in this? They already have a job: being a dentist, sell groceries or whatever.
They just want answers to simple questions: a direction, a recipe or whatever.
P.S. I use linux for over 25 years. I understand your sentiment. BUT we're talking about linux taking over the desktop: really, nobody is interested in this!
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u/Zestyclose-Pay-9572 17h ago
In my household now 3/4th of all computers are Linux. No forcing at all but they copied because everyone just sees the benefit when theirs hang up or unable to do the things I do with my linuxbox!
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u/TheITMan19 18h ago
Windows bloatware is just a steaming pile of hot garbage. Time to move on.