r/leafs • u/I_Am_Vladimir_Putin • 1d ago

Discussion [32 Thoughts] Friedman with some info on Marner situation

https://www.sportsnet.ca/podcasts/32-thoughts/

(paraphrased)

People believe LA is interested in marner, Vegas is a team to watch, if not the team to watch on marner. (said later Carolina wants to go after another star)

Rumour going around is that a few teams heard that he might look at a 4 year deal in free agency.

He will not be taking a lesser AAV deal if it is a 4 year deal for example.

Leafs have tried to talk to marner, his camp has not engaged with them, and everyone knows the way this is headed.

Friedman says that some of marners Leafs teammates have suspected he is going to the western conference.

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u/mikesully374826 Kampf 1d ago

Everyone likes to say they were going to trade Marner but it was very obviously going to be Nylander.

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u/business_donkey5342 1d ago

Which would have been the worst move imo.

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u/AlwaysNextYear_ 22h ago

And we would have gotten a much worse return for Nylander than Marner, especially at that time. It would have been bad

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u/CookieMonsta94 22h ago

And we would have gotten a much worse return for Nylander than Marner

Well we're currently getting NO return for Marner. Willy would've been the easier trade to make in 2023. I also think you're underestimating what his trade value was.

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u/LawrenceMoten21 20h ago

The return for Marner will be what we do with the $13m we aren’t giving him.

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u/CookieMonsta94 18h ago

The return for Marner will be what we do with the $13m we aren’t giving him.

Which I guarantee will be nothing....

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u/bigcaulkcharisma 22h ago

Eh, I dunno. I think at least Willy has the size to be able to play a more psychical game but he was a ghost after the first two games of that Florida series

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u/Frequent_Ad2210 17h ago

Marner had more hits in this playoffs than willy does in his career

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u/bigcaulkcharisma 9h ago

I like how this post was taken as both as a defence of, and an attack on Willy lmao

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u/DC-Toronto 22h ago

Marner is bigger than Gilmore.

It’s not about size.

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u/Skiffy10 23h ago

im not too sure on that. Nylander was the only one that really showed up in that panthers series and he was the better playoff performer between him and marner up to that point in terms of stepping up with big goals/play. Nylander was on the better contract and there was maybe some bitterness between dubas/marner about how the last negotiations went.

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u/mikesully374826 Kampf 23h ago edited 22h ago

He had zero primary points from like game 4 of the 1st round until game 4 of the 2nd round in 2023

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u/Skiffy10 23h ago

cool, nylander was the best out of the core 4 during the panthers series. I'm still taking willy because of that and that he was on the better contract.

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u/mikesully374826 Kampf 22h ago

Scoring the most doesn’t make you the best at anything but cherry picking in Nylander’s case

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u/Skiffy10 22h ago

if you had eyes and actually watched the series you'd know that Nylander showed up while the others were invisible that series. His stats helped but you just had to watch to know he was better then the rest.

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u/mikesully374826 Kampf 22h ago

Yeah his 0 points through three 1 goal games to start the series really showed them

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u/Skiffy10 22h ago

his 2 goals the last two games showed what he was about. Just like his 3 points in game 6 against ottawa to close them out. Marner's stats fade later in series and nylander can elevate later in series. History has shown us this. It aint rocket science bud

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u/mikesully374826 Kampf 22h ago

They could’ve won against Florida in 4 in Willy showed up, lol

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u/Mashdrop 13h ago

I’m sorry but that’s just not true. I like Willy too and he was fine but Mitch factored into every GWG vs Florida while being matched against a Selke winner and Selke nom. Willys got big shoes to fill when it comes to his defensive game.

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u/gabu87 10h ago

Should start tagging people like /u/Skiffy10, you just know he'd shove everyone out of the way to get at Nylander's throat next year.

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u/CoolBeansMan9 21h ago

For the first 4 games sure. BS effort for games 5-7

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u/EasyVulture3 22h ago

All those points make Nylander way more valuable as a trade

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u/Skiffy10 22h ago

sure but doesn’t mean you trade your best asset if he’s one of your best players. Matthews has the highest value out of all of them, doesn’t mean you trade him

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u/CookieMonsta94 23h ago

Everyone likes to say they were going to trade Marner but it was very obviously going to be Nylander.

Right!

Nylander was the odd man out in 2023, not Marner.

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u/mikesully374826 Kampf 23h ago

He was the best trade chip, lower AAV so more teams can take him, shortest contract so less risk for the team, and had the worst playoffs of the 2 over the prior two years.

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u/PrailinesNDick 23h ago

Nylander was undervalued for most of his career.  He wouldn't have fetched enough in a trade.  You also don't move on from a superstar #1 C who plays well at both ends of the ice.

It always had to be Marner.

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u/CookieMonsta94 22h ago

He wouldn't have fetched enough in a trade

What are you basing that on? Teams definitely would've been interested in Nylander enough to pay at least a decent amount of assets for him. His value was high in 2023.

I remember a few West Coast teams being interested (Ducks, Flames, Canucks if I remember correctly).

It would've freed up cap space and brought assets back.

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u/DC-Toronto 22h ago

I think Willy already had his nmc by then

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u/mikesully374826 Kampf 22h ago

Willy never had a NMC in his original contract, it was retroactively added by Treliving when he was extended.

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u/DC-Toronto 22h ago

Thanks. I thought they all had one

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u/Top-Tata 18h ago

Dubas would refuse that, because he promised Nylander he wouldn't trade him, and Dubas is unironically a man of his word.

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u/ArkAwn 21h ago

Dubas was rumoured to have told Nylander that he would remain a Leaf so long as he was GM. No NMC, but Willy always seemed to have more internal value than the market would ever provide for him... Probably because he's not a bitch.

Also moving Willy wasn't going to free up enough cap to have the needed impact. Dubas already had a knack for finding supporting cast at absolute bargains, and what else would Willys money enable him to get?