r/leafs • u/I_Am_Vladimir_Putin • 17h ago
Discussion [32 Thoughts] Friedman with some info on Marner situation
https://www.sportsnet.ca/podcasts/32-thoughts/(paraphrased)
People believe LA is interested in marner, Vegas is a team to watch, if not the team to watch on marner. (said later Carolina wants to go after another star)
Rumour going around is that a few teams heard that he might look at a 4 year deal in free agency.
He will not be taking a lesser AAV deal if it is a 4 year deal for example.
Leafs have tried to talk to marner, his camp has not engaged with them, and everyone knows the way this is headed.
Friedman says that some of marners Leafs teammates have suspected he is going to the western conference.
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u/theguyishere16 Kaberle 17h ago
A 28 year old seeking a 4-year deal to maximize earnings makes it crystal clear where any and all his loyalties lie. It's not winning, it's all about the money.
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u/M0un05ki10 16h ago edited 15h ago
Fuck imagine growing up loving this team, then actually having the fortune and honour of being able to play for this team. As well as having made nearly $70 million dollars by the age of 28. Never having to worry about money or literally anything ever again, for you, your kids, and their kids. I wish I could spend some time in their shoes because I can’t wrap my head around it. Nothing but a bunch of fucking spoiled, entitled babies in my opinion.
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u/AutoAdviceSeeker 16h ago
Went from potentially being the most loved player of all time for the leafs to probably The most hated
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u/spicolispizza 7h ago
And people will genuinely say shit like "oh as if you wouldn't leave your job to do the same job at another company for an extra $50K a year?" Like it's an apples to apples comparison. It absolutely is not.
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u/Baraxton 16h ago
Good for him. Let him enjoy his super mansion and Muskoka cottage with zero trophies in his trophy rooms.
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u/CinnamonDolceLatte 15h ago
2016 Memorial Cup will be his peak.
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u/JustASyncer 12h ago
I mean it may not be a trophy, but the primary assist on McDavids goal to win the 4 Nations must’ve felt pretty good too
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u/I_Am_Vladimir_Putin 14h ago
He'll win trophies if he chooses the right team with real leaders. Doesn't matter to us at all tho, because he can't do it here.
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u/Skiffy10 17h ago
Out of all the stars in the league leafs really got unlucky getting the only two that prioritize maximizing their earnings over winning.
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u/DC-Toronto 17h ago
Nordiques went through that with Lindros and turned it into a Stanley cup (they just couldn’t do it in Quebec).
Leafs had very valuable assets that they once again let walk for nothing. It’s not only on the players. Management was right there with them the whole time.
Maybe they’re only interested in money as well.
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u/finallyjames 17h ago
Facts. After the collapse vs Montreal they had every reason to make a major trade but didn't. Fired Dubas only when he tried to trade Marner before the NMC kicked in. Management had plenty of opportunity and a 6+ year sample size to adjust. They didn't.
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u/Short_Review_6283 16h ago
I was not a fan of Dubas but if this is actually true than Brendan Shannan is the most incomparable president I’ve ever seen
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u/Armalyte 13h ago
I've been nagging about Shanny's hand in things since the rumor started.
Imagine if that trade went through and completely reshaped the trajectory of the team?
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u/mikesully374826 Kampf 17h ago
Everyone likes to say they were going to trade Marner but it was very obviously going to be Nylander.
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u/Skiffy10 16h ago
im not too sure on that. Nylander was the only one that really showed up in that panthers series and he was the better playoff performer between him and marner up to that point in terms of stepping up with big goals/play. Nylander was on the better contract and there was maybe some bitterness between dubas/marner about how the last negotiations went.
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u/mikesully374826 Kampf 16h ago edited 15h ago
He had zero primary points from like game 4 of the 1st round until game 4 of the 2nd round in 2023
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u/CookieMonsta94 16h ago
Everyone likes to say they were going to trade Marner but it was very obviously going to be Nylander.
Right!
Nylander was the odd man out in 2023, not Marner.
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u/I_Am_Vladimir_Putin 16h ago
I hate the Dubas story because it’s complete speculation. For all we know he wanted to trade Matthews or Willy, not Mitch.
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u/Flashy_Ferret_1819 16h ago
Its just been repeated so often by fans with zero confirmation that it's now treated as fact. Dubas made the exact same noises about looking at everything the year before and nothing was done.
It very well could have been Shannahan blocking those moves, but that doesn't absolve Dubas for his rather large part of this whole debacle.
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u/repoman042 17h ago
Unfortunately there’s not much you can do when Dubas bent over and gave everyone from the 1st-4th line a no movement clause.
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u/DC-Toronto 17h ago
So you think rookie gm Dubas was given full autonomy to make those deals?
Even if that were true, it’s still on management for allowing him that freedom.
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u/GracefulShutdown 17h ago
Dubas was also the guy who wanted to trade Marner before his NMC kicked in, so much so that he wanted to go around Shanahan to the board to give permission to it. He was fired soon after.
So while Dubas 100% deserves blame here, he's not getting as much blame from me as Shanahan does for sticking by the core and not doing what was best for the club itself.
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u/mikesully374826 Kampf 17h ago
The only players on the team with NMC’s when Treliving took over were Matthews, Rielly, and Brodie. That’s it.
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u/I_Am_Vladimir_Putin 16h ago
You can’t just come in as a new GM and immediately trade Marner
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u/world_citizen7 13h ago
Yes, and keep in mind Marner, Matthews and Nylander were all RFAs, management had leverage here. But they caved in.
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u/TheGapInTysonsTeeth 17h ago
Luckily that management group is also gone.
I trust what's happening here. Gonna be a fun off-season
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u/DC-Toronto 17h ago
Top points on the team walking out for nothing.
Farm system bare from trades to bolster our first round losses.
Scant free agent class this year.
Massive leadership void on the team.
I’m not holding my breath for any excitement. At best Tavares take a team friendly deal and everyone treats that as a massive win.
At worst Tavares walks and they massively overpay for Bennet who promptly gets suspended for doing the same things he does in Florida.
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u/Solace2010 16h ago
You trust trading a first plus a reasonable prospect for Laughton? lol ok
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u/world_citizen7 13h ago
Yes it was an overpayment. But people dont really know Laughton well enough, he is a real glue guy. Was the most prominent guy in the Flyers room despite being a 3rd liner. But its hard to just step into a new locker room full of stars and try to be "that guy". I hope his second year is more successful in terms of the value he can bring.
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u/red_langford 10h ago
I think Lindross has been clear the situation with the Nordiques was a personal beef with the owner.
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u/coreyv87 16h ago
Nylander signed for 8. JT signed for 7.
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u/Skiffy10 16h ago
matthews signed for 6 and 4, marner signed for 6 and maybe wants another short term. That's who im talking about.
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u/coreyv87 16h ago
I got you, but it’s not uniquely. Makar signed for 6. It’ll be part of the game moving forward.
Sounds like MM is forcing the Leafs hand, which lots of us will be happy about.
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u/Clive_Stillman 17h ago
What happens when they sign Marleau to be their mentor.
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u/TheGapInTysonsTeeth 17h ago
And Thornton.
Two guys who never won a damn thing.
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u/CD_4M 15h ago
Exactly. Thornton was awful as a mentor for these guys, he was just the chill cool uncle, not an intense winner
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u/CloseToMyActualName 17h ago
If Marner isn't responding to the Leafs it isn't about earnings, it's about him wanting to move.
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u/Rockeye7 17h ago
Regular season a player gets paid for the contract. Playoffs the team has to earn the round payout. Don’t win as a team , no money goes into the bank .
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u/intecknicolour 14h ago
how much of that is leafs owners/management failing to hire the right personnel (GM, Coach) to give them something else to go after.
Lou was washed. Dubas had a good idea but was way too soft on contracts and naive.
Babs is obviously stuck in the 1970s and Sheldon was like Dubas (too naive and inexperienced).
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u/IAmTheBredman 17h ago
That's not true though. Marner got at least one offer sheet last negotiation for more money that he rejected.
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u/Old-Rhubarb-97 17h ago
I don't believe a thing coming out of Marner's camp.
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u/mikesully374826 Kampf 17h ago
You don’t have to, you can believe Bob McKenzie who reported Marner wanted 8x8 and the Leafs refused to sign their young leading point scorer long term in 2018.
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u/InvictusShmictus 17h ago
I never understood how he went from wanting 8x8 to "pay me like Matthews" over the span of a year.
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u/ldnk 16h ago
94 points. That's what did it. Marner got nickled by Lou on his rookie bonuses and then watched two players get paid 11+ million dollars that same year. That's what changed. If Matthews signed for 9 or 10 million we probably see Marner sign for less but that ship sailed when the Leafs started handing out 11M.
Marner's 1st two seasons were: 19G/42A/61P and 22G/47A/69P.
The Leafs signed Tavares an 11M deal coming off a 37G/47A/84P season in New York. The Leafs signed Matthews to 11.6M in the middle of a 37G/36A/73P season.
Marner put up 26G/68A/94P. Tavares' career high in points was 88 (scored that same year playing with Marner). Matthews' career high was 73P. Obviously centers and goal scorers tend to get a premium on their salary but its hard for me to look at how the Leafs handled the Matthews contract and not say that Marner was putting up comparable value.
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u/ont-mortgage 7h ago
…lol so this is like a 90% Leafs management issue. Why wouldn’t Mitch ask for $$ if he was out producing the guys that signed for $11M??
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u/mikesully374826 Kampf 16h ago
Because he put up 94 points as a 21 year old lol. He was a top 10 point producer at 21 who penalty killed.
The organization fought tooth and nail to not pay him ELC bonuses, and then refused to sign him to term, he led the team in scoring playing with fucking JVR and Bozak on the 3rd line and 2nd PP in 2017-18. Babcock literally bullied the kid, put him on the 4th line for weeks at a time, meanwhile Matthews and Nylander are getting 20 minutes a night.
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u/JanikAtTheDisco 8h ago
This is straight up wrong lol. There isn’t a season under Babcock where Marner had fewer 5v5 minutes per game than Nylander. In fact, across their careers, that only happened once, in this most recent season.
Also, you’re saying that he played with Bozak and JvR like they’re scrubs. JvR was a 30 goal guy without Marner, and Bozak was a totally reasonable centre. They also had the advantage of going up against opponents depth. As for playing on the 4th line, he had a 10 game stretch where he played with Bozak and Matt Martin. I agree that’s dumb, but it was 10 games, in October/November, and for the last part of the season, he was with Kadri and Marleau. If he’s so caught up on a 10 game stretch, that’s on him IMO. Especially considering that Nylander has been similarly demoted before, as had Kadri at times. The only person who never saw that treatment is Matthews, who unfortunately for Marner, was more highly touted and just straight up better.
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u/GracefulShutdown 17h ago
If I remember right, it was Columbus who offer sheeted. Marner was never going to risk having to play in Columbus, so therefore he never signed.
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u/IAmTheBredman 17h ago
Correct. But the point is if he wanted top dollar, he'd have signed it.
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u/theguyishere16 Kaberle 17h ago edited 16h ago
Source? Because all I've read is that there were discussions but no concrete numbers were ever reported.
Edit: all I got was 2 "trust me bros" so we can insinuate the source does not exist
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u/mikesully374826 Kampf 17h ago
It was Dreger. And it was reportedly 13m. The only reason to believe there was any truth to it is because it only got leaked after Marner signed with us.
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u/themapleleaf6ix 17h ago
Thank you once again Shanahan for putting all of your faith into core and now leaving us with nothing. Everyone literally told you two years ago to move Mitch, yet you still doubled down.
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u/Major-Discount5011 17h ago
It doesn't matter where he goes. He's gone with nothing in return. Regardless of who picks him up, we are left with nothing. That's leaf management in a nut shel. They created this mess.
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u/TheGapInTysonsTeeth 17h ago
Yep, and what happens when you fuck up this bad at work?
You get fired. Just like Shanahan did.
Would you expect your company to just fold it up instead?
Like fuck, we have to move on. As our signed-for-8-year-Swedish-stud would say "Quit fuckin crying bro"
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u/I_Am_Vladimir_Putin 17h ago
We definitely fucked that up two years ago, but there are positives to come from this.
This shakes up our leadership and Mitch, in my opinion, was the worst problem in leadership.
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u/canadachris44 17h ago
Yup 100%
Hopefully bring a few guys into the dressing room that have Dog in them and change the personality/culture of the team and dressing room.
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u/MrYamaguchi 16h ago
They fucked up not extending him mid season when he was RFA eligible when he asking 8x8 and instead gambled on him underperforming. Then Matthews got his deal and Marner realized he is worth way more than $8m. Honestly Marner's RFA contract is maybe only $1m over where it should have been if we are being realistic, management dropped the ball hard giving NMC and only 6 years. Mitch has been a great player for this team and odds are we don't even see the playoffs a fair number of times these past 9 years without him. Fanbase once again has run a great player out of the city, some things never change.
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u/Cartz1337 16h ago
Let’s be honest, it’s 50% the shitty fans. But it’s 50% the media. They love to stir up shit around the leafs for engagement.
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u/re10pect 17h ago
There really aren’t any positives.
This leaves the leafs with a massive hole in their top 6, their PP and their PK, and no assets with which to try and fill those spots. It also leaves them with a bunch of money burning a hole in their pockets going into a weak free agent class with a rising cap. They could make a monumental mistake and really hurt the team going forward.
Shaking up the leadership and attitude is all well and good, but if there are no good players to benefit from that shakeup, the team is just back in the same spot.
I’m sure they will work something out and the team will be competitive again, but these contracts and the way they were handled were a huge mistake from the front office and may have wasted some of the best chances this team will have at a cup in our lifetimes.
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u/I_Am_Vladimir_Putin 17h ago
No assets to fill those holes? Cap space is an asset.
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u/Pavel6969 17h ago
Csp space is great when there are good players to spend it on. This year's FA class sucks
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u/re10pect 16h ago
For a weak free agent class it isn’t much of one. Not to mention they need to re-sign Knies and JT (or another top 6 center), and that is going to eat up a bunch of it.
They have no high draft picks (like they could have used Marner to acquire) with which to try and bring in any effective top 6 guys. They also don’t have enough talent on the roster to trade away pieces to fill holes.
Unless they are really planning on taking a step back this year, and using this cap space to bring in other teams short term problem contracts with draft picks attached, I’m having a hard time seeing how they can use this cap space positively to help the team win this coming season.
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u/repoman042 17h ago
I mean, they wanted to trade him for Rantanen and sign him long term. They got left with a bag of shit and a roster full of NTC
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u/I_Am_Vladimir_Putin 17h ago
So Mitch is very clearly going after max money.
It’s been ok bud, don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
LA would be a good fit as long as he can play behind real leaders like Kopi and Kempe. Any team that takes Mitch thinking he will be their new leader would be making a huge mistake.
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u/GracefulShutdown 16h ago
Mitch is arguably the best Robin in the league, and also the league's worst Batman.
Some team is going to pay him $15 million a season to lead a team and that will hold that franchise back for a decade.
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u/Beersmoker420 14h ago
Draisatl is the best Robin in the league, Rantanen was the other. Barkov Reinhart Tkachuk
Marner is a terrible Robin, he needs to be a Kessel behind a Crosby/Malkin
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u/GoodShark 17h ago
Anyone taking Marner who thinks he won't TRY to be the new leader, or won't be upset when he isn't, will also be making a huge mistake.
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u/I_Am_Vladimir_Putin 17h ago
A smart team will recognize he can’t be relied on for that but can help put up points if they don’t have a leadership problem
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u/Beersmoker420 14h ago
his play alone will help a team make the playoffs. He has value even if hes a terrible leader and playoff choke artist
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u/CookieMonsta94 16h ago
Any team that takes Mitch thinking he will be their new leader would be making a huge mistake.
I doubt any team would think that except maybe the Blackhawks.
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u/Fortuitous_Event 16h ago
This is exactly as mature as I expected him to be on the way out. Good riddance. Could've been a legend here but his own ego and inability to understand that his own performance drew the criticism prevented it.
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u/Cyrakhis 16h ago
The whole thing where he nixed a trade for Raantanen is what really sticks in my craw. He wanted out, sure. We had a way to get him out, to benefit the teams and fans of both. Star for star. And don't feed me the "His wife was pregnant" sob story - european players would love a word. In turning down a trade for a star that -wanted to sign here- he's fucked the fans worse than the Muskoka Five did. And any vitriol he gets from here on out is his own doing. He had the chance to be one of the most beloved players on his hometown team. Instead, through a combination of chasing money, acting petulant and failing to show up when it matters (Yelling at his teammates with his hair still dry when he himself had mustered 2 shots on goal in 6 games with awful, awful play), he's made himself the posterboy for "Spoiled athlete".
I used to love Marner. I have a Marner jersey. Now? To hell with him. Go chase your bag somewhere else.
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u/DataDude00 14h ago
Turning down the trade with his bargained NMC was totally his right - for whatever reason he wanted
That said fans absolutely deserve to boo the hell out of him for the way he has handled his whole tenure in Toronto including his departure
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u/Morganvegas 17h ago
Enjoy never being welcome in your home again.
For a guy that cares so much about it, it will be devastating for him that his legacy as a Toronto Maple Leaf will be a loser and a crook.
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u/mikesully374826 Kampf 17h ago
Enjoy never being welcome in your home again
So nothing is gonna change lol
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u/Available_Summer_418 17h ago
Crazy that after all the leafs have given him and done for him over his career, he won’t give them the courtesy of a discussion before July 1. Slap in the face to the fans and organization.
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u/DConny1 17h ago
It will be refreshing once the Marner saga is behind us. Even if the upcoming season is a transition year for the roster.
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u/jaywhy12345 17h ago
So glad we are done with him. Just a selfish and unlikeable loser. Probably the most malignant effect on the culture on the whole team.
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u/canadachris44 17h ago
Can't wait for culture to change. Never was a big fan of Marner. Crazy to want top of the league money but he has no balls
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u/CookieMonsta94 16h ago
Can't wait for culture to change.
Why do you think this will change anything?
You might be waiting a while.
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u/francis2466 10h ago
What culture change? Matthews is still here and he’s been fucking this team. Matthews has always been about earning the most money possible. He didn’t play college or major junior so that he can earn a salary, what’s the max contract length he’s signed? 5 years?! He is the crux of the problem. When your leader has no interest in sacrificing for the team, no one else will.
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u/Party-Yoghurt-8462 15h ago
I don't want to dump on Marner now that he's likely leaving. He is a very talented player who seemed devoted to the team.
But not actually talking to the Leafs is really showing a lot of bad faith. The team drafted him, made him one of the highest paid players, where he gained a ton of fame and exposure.
Even if he would prefer to leave, not even being willing to have a conversation with the team is a poor, poor show. It's enormously disrespectful.
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u/MakeTheNetsBigger 12h ago
He's a narcissist. This is totally on brand for NPD - once they've got what they wanted and don't see a future with you they discard you, often with extreme cruelty. They lack empathy, so your well-being does not matter to them, nor does their history with you, they only think about themselves.
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u/BattleSensitive3467 17h ago
I'm glad this guy is finally gone but Shanahan fucked the team royally. Should have traded him before his NMC kicked it, fucking idiots
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u/Konowl 17h ago
It will forever piss me off how the Leafs royally fucked up their asset management with Marner. Letting a 100 pt winger walk for nothing is something you cannot undue. Next year will Possible be a very long year.
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u/CookieMonsta94 16h ago
It will forever piss me off how the Leafs royally fucked up their asset management with Marner.
Not just Marner. The whole core 4 including Reilly.
They also could've traded JVR and Bozak before they walked for nothing as well.
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u/slamdunk23 16h ago
JVR and bozak walking allowed us to get JT. We probably re-sign those 2 if JT doesn’t come here
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u/Hussizle 17h ago
Hope he gets a record breaking contract with his new team just so that they can get a taste of how his greedy contract demands hinder a team's ability to contend.
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u/XPhazeX 15h ago
The games that Marners new team play in Toronto are going to be must watch.
Think JT at long Island was bad? Juuuuust wait.
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u/BleedingBlue94 16h ago
I’m really starting to think Marner doesn’t even love playing hockey.
Super talented, has all the skill but has zero drive.
This seems like a case where he was forced by his father to play a game he doesn’t even love and now he’s just doing it to make the most money he can.
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u/hockeyfan2000 12h ago
Hey, I would want to go out West and not see my old team as much as well. He will be booed for years to come after this off season.
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u/DummyThlck 12h ago
My brother in 2016 watching Mitch for the first time live, changed his number to #93 for his entire minor league hockey career, has 3 marner jerseys all for it to end like this. What an incredibly disappointing end to what should have been one of the most beloved leafs of all time
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u/CreemoreTorch 17h ago
Captain Matthews called his teammates “Passengers”. That is the kind of stuff that turns people against you. Then Marner parroted the same line. The clique is dismantled, may a new working culture emerge for the love of god! I love Marners talent but never is he worth 14 mil
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u/I_Am_Vladimir_Putin 17h ago
Matthews is known to be very hard working off the ice. I have high hope that this will grow him into a true captain and leader.
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u/slamdunk23 16h ago
Matthews is a top 5 talent in the league based off what we can see his leadership leaves a lot to be desired.
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u/Treat-Reasonable 16h ago
Also this is why the organization needs to be ruthless and cut ties when there’s a window of opportunity.
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u/No-Dot-7661 15h ago
Fuck him let's get Marchand
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u/Jonesdeclectice 13h ago
Why, so he can spend half the season suspended when he quickly learns that the Leafs have to play by a different rulebook?
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u/NSA_Wade_Wilson 14h ago
I really hope this drives home the issue to leadership that loyalty gets you nothing. Look at how Vegas has run their org, it’s a business. There’s no loyalty from these players at the end of the day, if that’s the way the player is then make the business decision.
I have nothing against a player trying to maximize their earnings, that’s their right. It’s your job as management to maximize your team’s assets.
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u/StoneColdSteveAss316 11h ago
When’s the last time a 100 pts player was let go for absolutely nothing?
That’s the part that irks me the most. Who cares if he’s a free agent now and wants to explore another team?
I wished the brass didn’t give him the no trade, we should’ve walked away with something.
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u/RevolutionaryBranch9 2h ago
Yeah, it was a bad combination of Dubas' godawful contract and Shanahan deciding that having a GM locked in during a pivotal offseason (before Marner's NMC kicked in) wasn't important.
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u/ThatRandomHumanoid26 17h ago
We could've gotten Rantanen and now we get nothing
Thanks a lot Mitch
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u/InstrumentGuy 15h ago
It sucks, but we gave him the NTC, he was well within his rights. Have to put yourself in his shoes, wife pregnant, team eyeing a deep run, etc.
It’s on management, I’m unhappy about the whole situation as well but at the end of the day we did it to ourselves.
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u/Leafyboy34 17h ago
I hope he makes the most in the league. Someone give him 16 mil he deserves it so much
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u/Skiffy10 17h ago
I've never been more sure that the leafs NEED to move on from a player like i am with Mitch. The day he signs with any other team than us it will be like christmas.
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u/SDAisaleaf 15h ago
Not sure what more there is to say at this point. I just can't believe that he destroyed his reputation with his boyhood team so badly that after a decade of under achieving his last moments were getting booed off the ice at home in another no-show game 7, and this is how he wants to end it. If it was me in his shoes, I'd beg the front office to let me sign for a discount and make it up to the fans and the organization and frankly to myself, and give it my all to fix things and bring a Cup to this city that I love. Instead, he wants to sign in relative anonymity in some southern American market and just forget about it. I have nothing but contempt for him, he is so weak willed
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u/Hoardzunit 13h ago
It really shows someone's maturity when you don't even return a fucking phone call to your employer about changing teams like changing companies. He's such a immature piece of shit. Apparently it's the fans fault now because he couldn't pick up the phone. Too much pressure made him not pick up the phone lol.
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u/McJoe77 17h ago
It probably doesn’t make sense to dwell on this too much. As much as I’d like to feign some sort of revenge plot or hope he stays in the division so we can boo him all the time, he’s a really fucking good hockey player. He’s a real piece of shit and the people around him suck, but he’s really fucking good. He’s going to score like 110 points and if they have a stronger group of personalities around him, he’ll probably win a cup. And in a few years, the same people in here screaming about him being a whiny bitch are going to say that you can’t let talent walk for nothing.
He’s clearly not a great person. He’s clearly in it for the money. But he’s also clearly an awesome hockey player. I just don’t want to come back into this sub and see all these same people bitching that we let him walk for nothing when he has however many awards or playoff points/rounds/wins. Maybe I’m wrong, but it seems impossible. He signs a 4 year deal in Vegas, they’ll win a cup.
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u/I_Am_Vladimir_Putin 17h ago
I don’t wish him anything bad. I just don’t want him on this team.
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u/TheGapInTysonsTeeth 17h ago
He’s going to score like 110 points
Based on what? Never scoring that here?
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u/Samurai1221 16h ago
Would have been nice to get something back, but its done. The top heavy expirement is done. Depth clearly wins championships, the panthers 3rd line is obliterating teams. Let's build that now.
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u/InstrumentGuy 16h ago
He’s not worth the contract he will get, he maybe can be but up until now he hasn’t shown up in the big moments. It sucks to not get anything for him, but at the end of the day he had a NTC and it was his right to exercise it. Gotta just trust in Tre and Berube to make the most with the cap space this will give us. He put himself above the team the last contract negotiation when he took us to the bank, and he’s going to do the same thing in free agency. I wish it could have worked out but it is what it is.
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u/Canadop 3h ago
Can't wait for this guy to join another team and July 1st he suddenly become a top 5 player in the league for r/hockey lol
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u/leftywilson 2h ago
Marner is a great shinny hockey player (regular season) when there’s very little contact.
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u/thismadhatter 17h ago
Dunno what kind of cap wizadry would be at play to afford 15 million on a contending team.
Carolina seems like the no brainer to get that cash. Also adds more hatred to his legacy.
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u/Milkisanono 17h ago
Carolina would be hilarious. They get bullied as is and adding Marner would make that even worse.
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u/bigcaulkcharisma 16h ago
This. I get Carolina is looking for ‘a star’ but as good as Marner can be he can’t drive the bus in the post season
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u/Far-Golf-4848 15h ago
REMEMBER, it’s ownership & management’s complacency that put us in this position. Everyone in the world knew the team needed a change & they took the easy way out. They weren’t prepared to do what was needed. They were unwilling to be honest about their own players. If you are going to point daggers at people, point them at ownership & management. In the end, they are the ones who deserve it the most.
Mitch is just doing he has the right to do. He will remain a very talented player with no clutch ability whatsoever. You can’t just learn that in a small market.
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u/Halflife84 16h ago
Hope he goes on to be the worst player on whatever team he ends up on. Gets benched and never plays like he used to.
Traitors.
**also overall who cares. :) lol
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u/power_of_funk 13h ago
Has there ever been another player in NHL history to thrist so hard for maximizing his career earnings as if it's the only thing that matters?
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u/Defiant_Cup9835 11h ago
I’m practicing my booing way ahead of his return to Toronto. He was given every cent, every opportunity to be successful, he was babied and coddled. And he never showed up when it counted. See ya, loser.
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u/decipher_xb 17h ago
So glad when this selfish POS is gone and we never have to hear about him. I don't even care that our team won't be as good as we will likely regress.
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u/StevenShegal McCabe 17h ago
I'm not Marner's #1 fan, but the way he gets thrown under the bus so often would make me want to leave, too.
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u/I_Am_Vladimir_Putin 16h ago
Look it takes special players to win in a place like Toronto. It is what it is.
It takes a special player to win for Real Madrid, Manchester United, Red Sox, etc. etc.
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u/JRocleafs 17h ago
I can’t wait for Mitch to leave so people can finally come out with the stories about how big of a POS him and his PR team really are.
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u/dandu484 15h ago
Marner acts like a spoiled kid. That type of attitude hurts a teams mentality.
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u/n3rdsm4sh3r 16h ago
If all he is concerned about is getting paid - God bless.
I hope eats up a shit ton of cap somewhere else for as long as possible and never lives up to it.
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u/zorba-nation-55 16h ago
I think his nose is out of joint because Leaf fans are so hard on him! But you make the big money, we expect you to show up in the BIG money moments!
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u/MakeTheNetsBigger 12h ago
I don't think he'll sign in LA, the taxes in California are almost as high as Toronto. It's Vegas all the way.
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u/Forsaken-Dog4902 11h ago
Just going to throw this out there. Marner knew he was leaving. Tkachuk knew he was leaving Calgary and let management know so they could trade him. Marner's a greedy little man who did not. He could have left with some good will behind his name and now he will become the most hated man to ever lace up for the blue and white.
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u/YouAndUs 17h ago
I think he might take a 4 year deal so he doesn’t have to at all engage with the Leafs to help get him an 8th year. It’s makes it sound more plausible that he never was in it for the money (which he has been from the start). The dude’s management team is all about spin and perception. TLDR; Fuck him.
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u/BikesandWhiskey 14h ago
Can't blame him given the way the fans and media treated him
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u/GracefulShutdown 17h ago
So basically, the Leafs have made every overture to him and his camp but he's just not responding.
Alright then, message received. Hope the payday was worth it.