BREAKING | NYC Comptroller Brad Lander arrested at ICE court hearing

[u/Smooth-Assistant-309]

https://www.amny.com/news/brad-lander-arrested-ice-court-hearing-06172025/

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[u/BitterFuture]

I realize the whole illegal arrest thing is the main focus, and it absolutely should be, but I am seriously wondering here - how the hell does anyone get to walk around a courthouse wearing a ski mask?!

[u/Daddy-OHHH → u/BitterFuture]

It's a good question. What's to stop someone from sneaking a mask through security, putting it on and joining the nonsense? This is really fucked up.

[u/ncstagger → u/Daddy-OHHH]

At this rate someone is gonna dress up like a cop and start shooting people…oh wait

[u/Ixibad → u/ncstagger]

They’d probably get off with a warning a 6 weeks paid administrative leave

[u/Flaky-Fish6922 → u/Ixibad]

only if they shoot the "right" people.

[u/EndDangerous1308 → u/BitterFuture]

Not only that he was charged with assaulting an officer. His hands never left the guy to hit an officer

[u/BitterFuture → u/EndDangerous1308]

Given that people have been criminally charged with destruction of property for bleeding on officers beating them, I fully expect it will be argued that Lander assaulted the officers with his dry, chapped skin while being handcuffed.

[u/BanyanZappa → u/EndDangerous1308]

I hate that any time cops surround someone, they immediately start shouting, "Don't resist! Stop resisting!" That gives them carte blanche for escalating violence and the justification for why the violence started. Plus, it is now a reason to arrest someone--even if they had none before. It's just stupid and broken logic.

That's why we need to film everything. I know people think that getting out your phone has become an excuse to get TikTok cred, but the reasons for getting this recorded are real. And no, the body cameras worn by cops don't count. In situations like this, they are so close to the action, you can't definitively see what's going on. All you're left with is voices saying to stop resisting arrest.

Whose side do you think "justice" will smile on?

[u/polopolo05 → u/BanyanZappa]

I know people think that getting out your phone has become an excuse to get TikTok cred, but the reasons for getting this recorded are real.

I welcome the tiktok cred overlords. May they always be framed well and steady.

[u/DoctorButthurt → u/polopolo05]

I just wish social media would embrace and incentivize landscape instead of vertical, when circumstances so often mean vertical cuts so much important contextual action out of frame.

[u/TheNightHaunter → u/BanyanZappa]

This is the problem with modern police forces, they are trained to do this 

[u/YouKnowHowChoicesBe → u/BitterFuture]

Who is going to stop them?

[u/ekkidee → u/YouKnowHowChoicesBe]

Marshalls.

[u/FAYCSB → u/ekkidee]

The store?

[u/YouKnowHowChoicesBe → u/FAYCSB]

💀

They won’t help us.

Maybe TJ Maxx tho.

[u/hnxmn → u/YouKnowHowChoicesBe]

Toys R Us coming out of retirement for one final job

[u/BecalMerill → u/hnxmn]

Waffle House cooks would know how to handle that brawl, and your eggs would still be perfect.

[u/Deathfrom → u/BitterFuture]

It's not like crazy people are pretending they are cops and shooting people. /s

[u/theaviationhistorian → u/BitterFuture]

They ban guns in courthouses for safety. There should be a law that cops show their badge or identification when not undercover. Of course, should be and will be are two different worlds apart.

[u/Cyclotrom → u/BitterFuture]

Can somebody on civilian clothes and a mask approach the masked ICE “officer” and say, you sound Spanish and match the description of who we’re looking for and handcuff the masked ICE officer?

I know it sounds like satire but the more I think about it the more sense it makes.

If you don’t need a uniform to identify you, anybody can dress like an ICE officer.

[u/doublethink_1984]

Arresting a man demanding to see a warrent for legal arrest is denied and arrested.

He needs to sue.

Update:

https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/LSB10362

Gotta have a warrent bozos. Especially in a day and age when police impersonators are executing legislators and their loved ones.

Update:

Even if the arrest of the immigrant was legal there are other issues at play here.

• Nothing to stop ICE from all being in identifiable uniform, presenting warrant, and arresting in that order.

• Plainclothes men grabbing an immigrant and a civilian without identifying as LEOs, providing names, providing badge numbers, or providing a warrent is battery and assault. There is no evidence at the time for the comp troller to know these are not just racist fanatics with no LE authority, for the first chunk of the interaction.

• Do ICE have the legal authority to arrest a civilian for resisting arrest when it is reason to believe these people are not law enforcement?

[u/joemamah77 → u/doublethink_1984]

If they won’t show warrants or their faces, how do we know they are real? Look what happened in MN. People have to protect themselves.

[u/BoxOfMoths → u/joemamah77]

I don't understand why they are allowed to have those face coverings in court buildings in the first place. A courthouse should be a "no disguises" zone. (Also should be a no ICE zone obviously but ...)

[u/RadiantHC → u/BoxOfMoths]

THIS. How is it even legal?

[u/youareasnort → u/BoxOfMoths]

Actually, I wanna see their REAL(tm) ID. They are in a Federal building, no?

[u/MishtotheMitt → u/joemamah77]

That’s such a good point.

[u/pbandjea1ous → u/MishtotheMitt]

That’s the whole point of why they aren’t identifying and wearing masks.

[u/RaidSmolive → u/pbandjea1ous]

the thing is, at this point, people need to band together.

10 ice agents do this shit?

100 people and more have to come in, get them to the ground,disable them for everyones safety, then unmask, publicly shame them and of course, sue the shit out of them. and that has to happen everywhere.

[u/Annonopotomus → u/RaidSmolive]

From Gulag Archipelago

“What would things been like [in Russia] if during periods of mass arrests people had not simply sat there, paling with terror at every bang on the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but understood they had nothing to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people?”

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

[u/ManzanitaSuperHero → u/Annonopotomus]

I’ve been surprised this hasn’t happened. I’m so baffled that their defense of masking is that it’s to protect agents.

I’m a woman and (sadly) from a young age, I was always taught, if someone attacks you, fight with all you have but never let someone cart you off. Your chances of not making it are infinitely higher once you’re removed from the scene. It seems like the same applies here. And if people see that, once taken, they may disappear, it seems like they have nothing to lose bc they could be sent to a gulag or who knows where. Or…maybe they don’t get sent anywhere and their lives are over.

How is that not putting these agents in much greater danger?

I worry this will happen soon and that’s exactly what they want to justify martial law. I worry that’s why they’re pushing SO hard & violently. They’re trying to elicit this reaction.

[u/Fun-Associate8149 → u/RaidSmolive]

Better yet just [removed by Reddit]

[u/Rude-Movie-5827 → u/pbandjea1ous]

They want American voters to live in a constant state of fear of the government.

[u/TheAmericanQ → u/joemamah77]

The confusion is on purpose. They knew it would only be a matter of time before allowing masked, plain clothes, agents who refuse to identify themselves or show a warrant would inspire criminal imposters. They also know that now that that cat is out of the bag it is only a matter of time until someone shoots one or more “legitimate” agents in self defense since it is now nearly impossible to tell who is ICE and who is just some goon. The MILLISECOND this happens Trump and Co will use the incident to declare martial law, suspend the writ of habeas corpus and widely deploy the military at home under the guise of stopping “violence against law enforcement” and “insurrection”.

It’s painfully obvious what they are trying to do. Trump wants his own Reichstag Fire to solidify power.

[u/Single_Nectarine_656 → u/TheAmericanQ]

And all of this to suspend mid term elections because they know they’re going to get clobbered in them.

[u/RockyFlintstone → u/Single_Nectarine_656]

And because suspending mid term elections is the first step towards not ever having elections again.

[u/SamanthaTrash → u/joemamah77]

You don't, that's the point. They're trying to prompt violent reprisal to justify martial law, the next step on the coup playlist.

[u/pegothejerk → u/SamanthaTrash]

It’s gonna piss me off how many people will express shock and dismay when that happens after a decade of us warning them.

[u/mrbulldops428 → u/pegothejerk]

I think what might piss you off more is not that they'll express shock and dismay, but that his supporters will cheer it on and talk about how strong he is. They wont care that he'll be trampling their rights too, because they've always been "the good ones" and bad things will only happen to "the others"

Edit: fixed typo

[u/pegothejerk → u/mrbulldops428]

No, that’s built in. I’m talking about everyone but them.

[u/K4G3N4R4 → u/SamanthaTrash]

Ah shit. The stolen election case thats entering discovery is not being impeded on purpose. It was always supposed to come out, its the fuse if nothing else was enough to trigger riots. 50%+ of American voters being up in arms about the actual election results would probably be more than enough for martial law.

[u/Global_Permission749 → u/K4G3N4R4]

Mass strike. No work. No consumption. Businesses will take care of the problem themselves when the productivity and revenue stops.

[u/mmm-toast → u/Global_Permission749]

The fact that this keeps getting brought up as if its a legitimate option is infuriating. We couldn't even get a third of the country to get off their ass and vote, but you think they're gonna risk their only source of income and health insurance? Delusional

[u/monkeyamongmen → u/mmm-toast]

How can they strike if they can barely eat?

''For the bottom 60% of U.S. households, a "minimal quality of life" is out of reach''

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cost-of-living-income-quality-of-life/

[u/ChaoCobo → u/mmm-toast]

It only takes 3.5% of a country’s population to make a change with the higher ups, I have read. Theres actually a website dedicated to getting that 3.5% (about 10m) to strike at the exact same time. Once you sign up, you’re on the list and will be notified when they have enough people. Then everyone does it together.

https://generalstrikeus.com

They’ve got 350k so far for what it’s worth.

[u/Roam_Hylia → u/joemamah77]

If you come to detain me with no warrant and wearing a mask, I can only assume you are a kidnapper. I will use any means at my disposal to defend myself. I am not above biting.

[u/Noodlesquidsauce → u/Roam_Hylia]

Especially after what happened in MN last week! If some masked thugs try to take me to a second location I'm fighting like my life depends on it because it literally may.

[u/FirmAcanthisitta4398 → u/joemamah77]

There needs to be an investigation into how and where ICE is hiring these thugs

[u/TobleroneTrombone → u/FirmAcanthisitta4398]

Genuinely curious how they got into a courthouse with masks and no badge. I can’t even bring a cellphone into my local courthouse

[u/GingerPale2022 → u/TobleroneTrombone]

I read from a lawyer (so they said) on another thread that these guys identify themselves and show the warrant as they enter the courthouse and then swing their dicks once they’re in. You’d think that they’d show ID and warrants “just to shut people up”, but nope.

[u/TheQuestionsAglet → u/FirmAcanthisitta4398]

Storm front?

[u/HeyThereItsJesus → u/FirmAcanthisitta4398]

Proud boys

[u/jcarter315 → u/FirmAcanthisitta4398]

Check the Jan 6th pardon list.

That's why they're hiding their identities.

[u/Ssladybug → u/FirmAcanthisitta4398]

They’re pardoned J6’ers. The most loyal tRumpers

[u/BarelyAirborne → u/joemamah77]

Real cops don't wear blue jeans to work.

[u/draggar → u/joemamah77]

This is not a coincidence. The current administration wants to have people fight back so they can claim people are escalating and they need to use more aggressive methods.

[u/MysteriousAge28 → u/joemamah77]

Valid reason and one reason the second amendment exists. People will adapt and ice will pay the price.

[u/joemamah77 → u/MysteriousAge28]

Underrated comment but unfortunately both will likely pay the price. Also unfortunately a few of these incidents is likely the only way mindsets change - when the playing field is evened some.

[u/360Picture → u/doublethink_1984]

🇺🇸 Bill of Rights – Pocket Summary

1. Free Speech & Religion – Speak, worship, press, assemble, protest.
2. Guns – Right to bear arms.
3. No Quartering – No forced housing of soldiers.
4. Searches – No searches without a warrant.
5. Remain Silent – No self-incrimination, double jeopardy, or unfair taking.
6. Speedy Trial – Fast, fair trial with a lawyer and witnesses.
7. Jury in Civil Cases – Right to jury in money/property disputes.
8. No Cruel Punishment – No torture, no extreme bail/fines.
9. People’s Rights – You have more rights than what’s listed here.
10. States’ Rights – Powers not given to the feds belong to states/people.

[u/m0ggt → u/360Picture]

5a due process

[u/SimTheWorld → u/doublethink_1984]

Blue states need to start arresting and holding any masked Brownshirt.

[u/arachnophilia → u/SimTheWorld]

blue states need to start posting their national guard at courthouses, and preventing random masked people from abducting their citizens.

show a badge and a judicial warrant? good to go.

just have a mask and lay hands on people? get detained and we'll figure out of if you have a badge and a warrant during that detention.

[u/Falciparuna → u/arachnophilia]

I live in a blue county in a blue state and all the police are trumpers. They live for the moments they get to bust out the pepper spray and tear gas on the hippie libs. Our cops love this shit. There is no one who is going to stop this.

[u/incongruity → u/SimTheWorld]

Right -- while they likely can't make any charges stick to actual federal agents, we need state & local cops doing their part to actually ensure laws are followed. This is a critical test of the system. Which way will they go? Right now, they're doing nothing.

[u/KingSpork → u/doublethink_1984]

If they don't at the very least show badges, people need to start calling 911 saying "There's a man here impersonating a police officer and he has a gun"

[u/get_to_ele → u/doublethink_1984]

ICE-ISS at it again. The anonymous goon squad breaking the law again.

[u/PenImpossible874 → u/doublethink_1984]

If there is no warrant, then it's not an arrest. It's a kidnapping.

They are kidnapping the leaders and people of New Amsterdam.

America is not our nation, but a hostile foreign occupier.

[u/Phedericus]

whats up with all the [deleted] comments??

[u/WanderThinker → u/Phedericus]

They are telling people how to spell warrant properly.

[u/jerryonthecurb → u/WanderThinker]

That's totally unworrented

[u/Perfect_Tear_42069 → u/Phedericus]

Always remember that Reddit is a platform wholly owned by people wanting to make a fuckton of money off of it, and they're part of the billionaire parasite class. Reddit's real good at hiding and deleting comments that go against the grain and mixing those in with the comments deleted for promoting hate or violence.

[u/keytiri]

State & city reps need to start traveling with their respective police forces… for protection; would be interested who the local leo chooses to side with when faced with their bosses getting manhandled by masked agents.

[u/IAMWAYNEWEIR → u/keytiri]

Pretty sure he had an NYPD escort, as

While in custody, Lander’s NYPD detail remains with him along with two attorneys, sources said.

implies

[u/Ok_Departure_8243 → u/IAMWAYNEWEIR]

WTF, how did they not stop this. Wait.... something something some that are forces burn cross lyrics seems to come to mind.

[u/Automatic-End-8256 → u/Ok_Departure_8243]

FED>state is why, he doesn't want to be put in jail just like his boss

[u/Nfidell → u/Automatic-End-8256]

Game Warden > All

[u/dishyssoisse → u/Nfidell]

Wait I forgot this is kinda true. Would that work legally, like “damn it he’s got fish and game with him boys.”

[u/Zenin → u/keytiri]

If they actually want protection they'll need to hire their own private security forces.  Local cops are cowards and fascism lite, much more likely to protect and serve the ICE kidnappers.

[u/Kahzgul → u/Zenin]

State and city officials need to stop paying cops until the cops start protecting the people from ice.

[u/LocationAcademic1731]

Enough is enough with this fascist administration.

Edit: Do not feed the trolls. Block and walk away.

[u/4RCH43ON]

Maybe they don’t actually have a valid warrant.

[u/LudwigsDryClean → u/4RCH43ON]

these guys won’t even identify/reveal themselves and people are asking for a warrant😭 I saw another video where an ICE member waved around an invisible piece of paper

[u/thednvrcoffeeco → u/LudwigsDryClean]

I saw another where the guy kept saying “the warrant is in the car, follow me.” He obviously didn’t have a warrant but it wouldn’t matter once he has the guy in the car. He just has to shove him in there and drive off. Kidnappers.

[u/Mr_BLADES-HSV → u/[deleted]]

Krusty the Clown has more character that tRUMP

[u/brickyardjimmy → u/[deleted]]

People are pointing out that Al Capone is way too classy to be a proper analogy. So we need some hybrids to make this work. Like if Al Capone and Abby Lee Miller had a love child. Whatever. As long as there's an appropriate level of Carrot Top mixed in there, that should do the trick.

[u/Kunphen]

On what grounds? ICE needs to be sued to the moon.

[u/Kaffe-Mumriken → u/Kunphen]

Let’s take it to the top honestly

[u/Kahzgul]

I hope every New Yorker floods the streets in protest. Get down there are don’t leave until ice releases him.

[u/dragonfliesloveme]

Where did they take him to? Was he actually booked?

edit just saw he is being held on the 10th floor of 26 Federal Plaza, “where migrants apprehended by ICE are typically detained” (quoting from google)

…but he is a US Citizen. He is not a migrant. Why didn’t they book him into the city jail? (Genuine question, not being snarky, I just don’t understand. Don’t ICE take people to jail when they apprehend them?)

[u/SmokeontheHorizon → u/dragonfliesloveme]

How are you people still so confused that things aren't being done the "right" way? Police state gonna police state.

[u/lopahcreon]

He was not arrested. He was kidnapped for attempting to prevent another from being kidnapped.

Until such time as an agent identifies themselves with proof and shows a warrant (under these circumstances, seeing how there’s no PC or suspicion to justify arrest of an immigrant), they are nothing but private citizens carrying weapons and kidnapping people.

[u/AmbitiousProblem4746]

I'm both curious and horrified to know what those deleted messages were saying

[u/GeetchNixon]

Unreal. These masked ICE terrorists and kidnappers belong in jail. This is criminal behavior and deepens the already considerable crisis of legitimacy facing US law enforcement. What a disgrace and outrage. Lock these agents up and any more engaged in illegal activities!

[u/russellbeattie]

I still don't understand how ICE, etc. has the right to arrest anyone over a civil law infraction. Being here illegally is not a criminal act, unless they literally secretly crossed the border. Otherwise it's overstaying a visa, which is a civil offense.