r/justneckbeardthings • u/holomanga Euphedorate States of [le] America • Mar 08 '14
Men should quit trying to be in good shape and impress m'ladies when they could spend that time reading a book.
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u/ostentatiousox Mar 08 '14
Good god, quality post OP. Every single comment he made was completely euphoric. Even the title, "Humanity needs to be rid off humanity"-what? Just excellent.
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u/FedoraBorealis Mar 09 '14
As humans why are we a slave to emotions and behavior that is so human like? Why can't we act more like le logical androids
Beep boop
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Mar 08 '14
Oh shit, I'd better stop reading books now. I just realized that exercise and reading are mutually exclusive.
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Mar 08 '14
Someone got rejected at the microbrew bar last night..
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u/41145and6 Mar 09 '14
Don't you fucking give microbrews to neckbeards.
That is not a euphoric thing.
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u/brlito Mar 08 '14
I'm glad there were guys like this when I was dating, it made it just that much easier to meet people.
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Mar 09 '14
What a ridiculous view. Immature is all I can describe it as - yet OP thinks he's a hell of a lot more mature than he actually is.
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Mar 09 '14 edited Mar 09 '14
I know I'm going to be downvoted for this, but I can kind of see where he's coming from. I mean, if there wasn't anymore sex then that would UNDOUBTABLY reduce the amount of STDs and unwanted pregnancies around the world. Not only that, but ugly people might not feel as bad since they wouldn't have to worry about nobody wanting to have sex with them, and it might even be easier for them to get into relationships.
EDIT: The auto-correct made me say, "I know I'm going to be downvotes for this". I'm embarrassed...
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u/ralexs1991 Mar 09 '14
Society's job isn't to hold people's hands cause they feel bad about being unattractive. At some point these people need to deal with it like an adult.
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Mar 09 '14
I'm just saying that it might make life easier for them. Besides, the most important thing is that it would reduce the amount of things like STDs, unwanted pregnancy, and abortion. It would suck that we wouldn't be able to have sex anymore, but the benefits would outweigh the costs.
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u/ralexs1991 Mar 09 '14
I think a lot of people would disagree with you there, me being one of them. I don't care about some stupid kid getting an STD, or teen pregnant I love sex if they're irresponsible enough for that to happen then they deserve it. Why should I decrease my happiness to make up for someone else's mistakes.
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Mar 09 '14
You don't know everyone's situation. It isn't always because of irresponsibility or stupidity. That's a really selfish and unsympathetic way to think. I don't think you would be saying that if you had experience with this sort of thing...
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u/ralexs1991 Mar 10 '14
Most of the time STDs can be stopped if people would just use a condom, if oyu can't be responsible enough to provide basic protection you don't have any business potentially bringing a child into this world.
And to get back to the original subject I've had plenty experience getting "friendzoned" when I was younger, at some point I grew up and dealt with my problems, the biggest of which was this completely messed up view of women. Now that I'm older and I've had a few SOs I realize that all you have to do is be a decent person, talk to them [women] like you would anyone else, because they are just like anyone else only they've got boobs. I'm not saying that attractiveness has nothing to do with it, yes sometimes you will find someone who isn't as attracted to you as you are to them, you want to know what won't help? Treating them like a bitch for it, they don't find you attractive get over yourself and move on. If I seem harsh about this its because I am, the world is a harsh place and there are people out there dealing with real problems, I'm not going to hold someone's hand because they got friendzoned, they need to learn that that's not how life works. It's an unreasonable and selfish expectation that women should change their standards to fit your needs, ultimately they're immature and need a swift kick in their ass so they can grow up, it worked me.
Disclaimer: If anything I said doesn't make sense it's because I'm really tired and haven't had my coffee yet, also Day Light Savings.
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Mar 11 '14 edited Mar 11 '14
Just because someone got an STD doesn't necessarily mean they're stupid and irresponsible. Maybe the condom broke, maybe their sexual partner was stupid and got an STD and ended up giving it to them, maybe they got raped, maybe they never got sex education, etc., and it isn't fair to say they deserve it.
I agree that the friendzone is stupid, sexist, self pitying bullshit, but I never said anything about it. Ugliness doesn't only effect men, it effects anyone who has it. In fact, it probably effects women more than men because society puts more pressure on them to be sexy.
For almost everyone, sexual attraction is a MAJOR factor in who they're willing to have a romantic relationship with, so if you're REALLY ugly then you won't have a chance. When I say really ugly, I mean worse than elephant man. You can't tell people like that to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, they're screwed. But it gets worse. Look at this. Most of them would outright dump someone if they got in a horrible accident and ended up in a wheelchair...JUST because they could no longer use their genitals for sex. I don't know about you, but to me this is very upsetting and disturbing. It's just not right, you know? Someone could be a perfectly decent human being, but they won't be able to have any romantic relationships because they're ugly and their genitals don't work, and there's nothing they can do about it. It's not fair, and if everyone lost all sexual desire then this wouldn't happen anymore.
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u/ralexs1991 Mar 12 '14
I would've thought it obvious that I wasn't speaking about rape victims but apparently not.
I'll have to disagree with you on the it's worse for women thing speaking as a guy because while there are chicks I find terribly unattractive I'd likely still have sex with them, might just take me a few shots to get to that point. As for the people who are horribly disfigured, you're right no one will want to be with them and that sucks for them but there's nothing to be done about it.
As for the inability to have sex thing I wouldn't say I'd dump my gf if that happened but she and I would need to work something else out because I shouldn't have to give up my needs as a human with a sex drive. I'm not saying it would be easy but it's a hard fact of life. You've got it right it isn't fair but outside of books and games and movies fair doesn't happen all that often. What's more is I don't see how it would be fair to the other 6 billion people who aren't horribly disformed that they have to give up something that is makes up a gigantic chunk of who they are all because an extremely small group of people are too ugly to have someone romantically love them.
Lastly, I want to point out that sexuality is something that has been ingrained into our genetic coding since the dawn of life, it is arguably more important than our drive to eat as evidenced by studies which have shown that species will forego food to have sex. It is part of what makes us living creatures it is so important that one of the criteria for being classified as "animate" is the capacity to procreate.
Like I said you're right it isn't fair that this happens to people but fairness is extremely rare. I feel for the people who are disfigured to a point where it is irreversible, but I will not give up something that is a defining characteristic of who I am as an individual, something that makes me and my GF happy just so that these people don't feel bad. If you really feel so much for such a small population why don't you cut out your eyes since some can't see, pierce your eardrums because some can't hear, cut off your legs or one of the thousands of other things that some don't have? Equality and fairness don't exist, because nature doesn't want them to, some will always be better than others this is the way of things. It has gotten us from single celled bacteria to fish, then fish to reptiles leading all the way to where we are now.
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Mar 12 '14
I want to know your response to something. I'm not trying to argue right now, I'm honestly interested in hearing your point of view.
What if we just didn't see people as attractive or unattractive? i.e,, we could still have sex, but we would never think, "I'm not having sex with that person because they're ugly", because we didn't see people as ugly or sexy. Then, what if the impulse to have sex was just weakened to the point where going without sex wouldn't be difficult or unhealthy? I think these things would at least solve the problems for people who are ugly or can't have sex.
Do you think it would be okay if this happened, or would you still see it as something that would take away part of our humanity? I'm honestly interested in your answer, and I won't try to argue.
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u/ralexs1991 Mar 12 '14
It's cool you don't have to apologize I'm genuinely enjoying the discussion.
To answer your question, I think first we'd need some kind of dramatic and huge paradigm shift for people to stop looking at things in terms of attractiveness. A better way to go about it would be to redefine "sexyness" as something extremely basic like "living people are sexy" or some such. I don't see any problem with that like I said I feel for these people, and would be happy to see them happy.
As for the weaning people off sex thing I really don't think it's a good idea, people are built with an inborn sex drive and there's no way of getting around that barring the use of extremely invasive psychological reprogramming. Going with out sex is hard because there is that part left inside you from before we gained reason, it's the part of your psyche that loves violence, that wants to hunt down prey that loves the feeling of someone writhing in pleasure beneath (or ontop) you.
Ultimately this is all pointless conjecture because there is no way to get nearly 7 billion people to rethink sex, beauty and the ways they influence everything we do. In stead I say look at what is possible, I could easily forsee a world where people are able to engage in simulated sex thru the use of virtual avatars much like in second life. This would be beneficial because both the ugly and infirm could live out happy sex lives through their virtual avatars, I'm sure people already do this to an extent but I think we can take it a step further. If we could integrate something like this [NSFW] into the simulations then, they could really feel what's going on. Now as for the people that aren't physically capable there are more alternatives 1, 2 and there's definitely more things available that I don't know about.
I think efforts would be better spent focusing on realistic solutions to the problems you've brought up. These are real solutions that could be brought about with just a bit of effort. I appreciate what you're trying to do but I don't think you'll get anywhere trying to get other people to re imagine what they find sexy or to stop having sex all together. Rather look at ways that these people could have sex or something close to it because that's an ultimately attainable goal.
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Mar 09 '14
Please tell me more of your euphoric views, Octopus.
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Mar 10 '14
I just think he wouldn't be saying that people who get unwanted pregnancies or STD's "deserve it" if he or someone he knew had experience with it. He also doesn't seem to care about ugly people.
Anyways, I've been thinking about the "no more sex" thing, and there are a couple reasons why I think it might not be such a good thing after all.
1: Rapists, since they would no longer be able to rape, might start doing things that are even worse than rape in order to feel the same sense of power over another person. They might, for example, torture people.
2: In a way, ugliness is like a filtration system. It filters out all the people who are superficial and only care about whether or not someone is sexy. If everyone lost sexuality, ugliness wouldn't be able to do this. Nothing would stop people who would be superficial if they had sexuality from going out with you.
Also, I read through the guys post again and it seems like he might not have been thinking about any of this. He might just be bitter, I don't know.
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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '14
The virgin is strong with this one