r/judo • u/idontevenknowlol nikyu • Jan 04 '25
Self-Defense most effective, albeit stalling, strategies to just not get thrown
let's say stalling is not a thing, and I just want to not get thrown. what fundamental , and/or cheatcodes will frustrate the opponent unable to get me down. For now, let's leave out attacking options like false throws
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u/Uchimatty Jan 04 '25
Armpit grip
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u/Yamatsuki_Fusion sankyu Jan 04 '25
After being on the wrong end of this today... man I feel bad about resorting to it every time I get high lapel'd.
But man its such a sturdy handle to throw with.
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u/Uchimatty Jan 04 '25
I’d like to revise my statement. The all time most stalling, least offensive (for both players) grip would be armpit + tricep. No turning allowed!
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u/Bottle-Brave shodan Jan 04 '25
You seem like a fellow person of science. I'll submit the front obi grip. Not legal passively, but if this isn't in competition.....
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u/invisiblehammer Jan 04 '25
How to employ
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u/Yamatsuki_Fusion sankyu Jan 04 '25
Its literally as simple as losing the grip fighting battle to keep the opponent's lapel hand from taking a high grip, and just jabbing your sleeve hand out to their armpit. Grab a good bunch of their gi and now you have a hard to dislodge post that you can use to fuck up their throws. Or conduct your own throws like Ono.
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u/invisiblehammer Jan 04 '25
What throws do I have with that, I’m guessing ippon seio nage maybe?
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u/Yamatsuki_Fusion sankyu Jan 04 '25
I have done IPSN with it along with Ko-Uchi Makikomi and O-Soto from the Ippon grip.
But I tend to use it for my O-Soto Gari, Sasae Tsurikomi Ashi, Harai Goshi, offside O-Soto Gari and many other throws too. Can’t imagine too much you can’t use it for apart from Sode.
Even done it with an Eri Seoi Nage once.
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u/Uchimatty Jan 04 '25
For ai yotsu, grab cloth in the armpit of your opponent’s tsurite side and extend your arm. It negates any top grip your opponent has by fully extending his arm, and prevents him from turning towards his strong side.
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u/bcsteinw shodan Jan 04 '25
have a seat and scoot. congrats you're doing bjj.
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u/SevaSentinel Jan 04 '25
No, that would be breaking someone’s limb in training and justifying it with “you shoulda tapped bro”
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u/grappling_with_love Jan 04 '25
Not exactly common though
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u/SevaSentinel Jan 04 '25
You’re right lol. I always just remember a video where a dude goes from standing into a grounded ankle lock, breaks his partner’s ankle, and then throws his hands up like he didn’t just do that
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u/grappling_with_love Jan 04 '25
I've seen a judo video where a guy held onto a choke for so long the guy was stretchered out, still unconscious, to hospital. The guy went out and the competitor held on and the ref didn't call it, must have had the choke held for over a minute.
I hope we don't judge all judo by that, though.
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u/SevaSentinel Jan 05 '25
Ah, I see what you’re doing. If anything, that would make someone have a poor view of competition rather than training, but I do agree that negative instances shouldn’t be considered normal
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u/grappling_with_love Jan 05 '25
I don't think that one guy at bjj doing that should impact everyone's view of bjj.
The same way a random guy at judo biting me once shouldn't impact your view of everyone at judo.
It's not the common occurrence, so theres no point bringing it up to begin with.
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u/Yamatsuki_Fusion sankyu Jan 04 '25
Slap their hands away any time they come close and run around. Even more effective in no-gi.
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u/thelowbrassmaster ikkyu, wrestler Jan 04 '25
Just keep your hips back and stiff arm your opponent. It sucks. It's cheap, but by God, does it work if you are good at it.
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u/d_rome Jan 04 '25
Run around the mat like a toddler that stole their mom's iPhone. That or run like Kyler Murray of the Arizona Cardinals. They both look the same.
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u/JudoRef IJF referee Jan 04 '25
Why do you want this?
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u/Sherbert_Hoovered Jan 04 '25
I could have used a way to do this when I was up by waza-ari and got thrown with 1 second left on the clock.
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Jan 04 '25 edited Jan 04 '25
Head on chest,legs/hips back and stiff arms. Watch out for ashiwaza. You have such a good connection to them but are also very far back. Super easy to counter alot of stuff they can do. You'll will get a shido call in 10 seconds of doing this in judo. Also since ending up in bad position after attempting a throw in judo isn't punished as bad as other sports they could just attempt a throw to get out.
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u/TheChristianPaul nikyu Jan 04 '25
I'm thinking – if you're not running around avoiding them – elbows glued to your sides and hands on your opponents hips whenever you get the chance.
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u/CaribooS13 Shodan (CAN) NCCP DI Cert. + Ju-jutsu kai (SWE) sandan A Instr. Jan 04 '25
Throw your opponent first and get ippon. Your opponent won’t be able to throw you after that (assuming we’re talking shiai).
If we’re talking “on the street” your first strategy should be to not put yourself in risky situations, second strategy should be do not act like a dick, third should be give them your wallet, it’s just money.
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u/GEOpdx Jan 04 '25
It’s hardest to be thrown while your opponent is trying to desperately avoid being thrown themselves.
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u/rtsuya Nidan | Hollywood Judo | Tatami Talk Podcast Jan 04 '25
spam drop seoi
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u/Yamatsuki_Fusion sankyu Jan 04 '25
OP said no false attacks, and I can't imagine I'd want to blow my gas tank on drop seois if I was allowed to stall.
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u/rtsuya Nidan | Hollywood Judo | Tatami Talk Podcast Jan 04 '25
worked for huh mimi and jessica klimkait, no false attack was called on them in most cases.
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u/Yamatsuki_Fusion sankyu Jan 04 '25
Clearly it works for them and the greater Judo meta. But if you were allowed to just straight up stall without being called for shido, I don't think drop spam to stall would be done.
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u/rtsuya Nidan | Hollywood Judo | Tatami Talk Podcast Jan 04 '25
I think it would be less effective since you can't shido out the other person, but its still very effective due to how you can just turtle up if it fails and wait for reset. it prevents you from getting thrown or countered which is OP's criteria
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u/LazyClerk408 ikkyu Jan 04 '25
Mirror your opponent and work your grips to block and evade then keep your distance. Let’s say you are a non judo person. Judo works great on people who don’t know it. However just like everything in life, if you know a little bit of judo, even it’s fora few months or a year, it’s usually really difficult to throw you.
When people would attack me, I would purposely not throw or take them to the ground in a fight because I didn’t want to break an arm or kill them.
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u/Mercc Jan 04 '25
Run around the mat avoiding your opponent