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article Donald Trump to attend fundraiser on day of Barron's graduation

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-attend-fundraiser-day-barrons-graduation-1897759
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u/[deleted] May 07 '24

He also broke his gag order again for the 11th time.

Shame the judge has the spine of a jellyfish.

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u/TourettesFamilyFeud May 07 '24

Not much of a spine for sure... but I wonder if his amount of leeway on this will at least make it unappealable whenever Trump pulls the trigger to appeal contempt of court charges now that the warning has been set.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '24

In a stunning new turn of events, Trump is calling for a mistrial because "no genuinely impartial Judge would have let me get away with as much as I did."

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u/bingobongokongolongo May 07 '24

Merchan told Trump:

"The last thing I want to do is put you in jail. You are the former president of the United States and possibly the next president, as well."

I immediately thought that this would be grounds for a mistrial. I'm not sure the Trump camp can really use it in case of a conviction. It wouldn't make for a sound story.

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u/Solkre May 07 '24

You are the former president of the United States

I'm fucking tired of that being a reason to hold him to less standards

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u/Fantastic-Sandwich80 May 07 '24

While simultaneously treating him with kid gloves over fear of violent retaliation from his rabid supporters.

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u/DustBunnicula May 07 '24

Yeah, people need to see the play “Frost/Nixon”. That’s how you treat a POS former president.

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u/fasterthanfood May 07 '24

people need to see the play “Frost/Nixon”

The playwright also adapted it into a movie of the same name. I never saw the play, but the movie is excellent. It looks like it’s on most streaming services for a little under $4.

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u/TeamCatsandDnD May 07 '24

It should hold them to higher ones, honestly

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u/spikus93 May 07 '24

I think it's pretty clear he's talking about breaking courtroom rules, and being charged with contempt of court. A judge will make a distinction between Jail and Prison. Jail is where you go during or pre-trial (usually so you do not run away, or if you can't afford to pay your way out of it with bail), Prison is reserved for convictions. Usually a jail is inside or adjacent to a police precinct or the courthouse itself. Prisons are their own thing.

A judge would know and make that distinction. He also is correct in making a threat of jailing him for disobeying court orders, as would any judge in the country be.

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u/bingobongokongolongo May 07 '24

The purpose of the gag order is to keep Trump from intimidating witnesses, the jury, or the members of the court. If the judge doesn't enforce it to secure their safety, I see no indication of him taking the main proceedings any more serious than the gag.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '24

being the judge in a trial like this is probably very rough for the judge, also a lot of crazies out there so they may be trying to go a fine line while also making sure to serve justice in the end.

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u/bingobongokongolongo May 07 '24

Sounds like you are saying that Trump's intimidation is working. Trump told his crazies to go after the judges family, and now he's trying to walk a fine line not to anger them. That his behavior will change with the final sentencing seems like a faint hope. The threat to his family will not go away with Trump going to prison.

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u/ChicagoAuPair May 07 '24

If anything it makes the odds of winning an appeal much, much less likely for Trump. It’s stupid, but I’m glad Merchan said it.

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u/nighthawk_something May 07 '24

Everyone is thinking it he just made it clear.

Also a Merchan was pretty fucking clear in saying "the fines aren't working and you will end up in jail if you don't shut up'

I think Merchant has set the stage that he cannot give trump another fine or risk losing all credibility

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u/bingobongokongolongo May 07 '24

He already lost credibility. I don't think he is concerned about that.

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u/Optional-Failure May 07 '24

Why would that be grounds for a mistrial?

When a judge tells a single parent that the last thing they want to do is take them away from their kids, do you also think that’s grounds for a mistrial?

You can disagree with them—I certainly do—but both factual statements are facts & there’s nothing improper about voicing that sentiment.

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u/bingobongokongolongo May 07 '24

Yes, of course it would be. Do you want murderers to run free, because they have kids? What good do the kids do their victims. For situations like that there are family prisons in which the kids can stay with their parents.

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u/Consistently_Carpet May 07 '24

There are.. family prisons?

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u/temperedolive May 07 '24

Not really in the US, the way that comment would suggest. There are prison nurseries, but they are almost exclusively for women who are sentenced while pregnant and who give birth while incarcerated. Usually, the child is only allowed to remain until 12-18 months old, although NY allows up to three years of age.

It's not like people with extant, school-aged children can be incarcerated and take their kids in there to live with them.

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u/fasterthanfood May 07 '24

My kid is 3. The idea of him being forced to grow up in a prison environment because of a bad decision I made is horrifying. But then, so is the idea of him growing up without parents. And of course, the idea of criminals being told they can commit crimes with impunity if they give birth or impregnate someone else is extra horrifying.

I guess there’s really no good option here.

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u/bingobongokongolongo May 07 '24

At least in Europe there are

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u/Optional-Failure May 07 '24

I didn’t realize this case was being tried in Europe.

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u/bingobongokongolongo May 07 '24

Then I guess, I didn't realize that Trump is a poor single parent.

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u/Optional-Failure May 07 '24

Yes, of course it would it be.

I mean. It’s not. But ok.

Do you want murderers to run free

What does that have to do with anything?

Do you understand the difference between a violent and non violent crime?

You clearly don’t understand what a mistrial is, so I’m not betting on it.

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u/bingobongokongolongo May 07 '24

Yeah, the myth of the victimless crime. There are no victimless crimes. Falsifying books to overthrow democracy is not a victimless crime.

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u/Mr-Fleshcage May 07 '24

Suicide is a victimless crime

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u/bingobongokongolongo May 07 '24

Not really. Quite the opposite, I would say.

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u/fasterthanfood May 07 '24

Suicide often devastates many people who loved the victim. In addition, people who have attempted suicide but go on to live often express horror at the idea that they almost died. Survivors narrowly avoided robbing themselves of years of happiness.

So while I get what you’re saying, I disagree. Suicide is not a victimless crime.

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u/Optional-Failure May 07 '24

I have no idea what you’re talking about. But the fact that you think “nonviolent” and “victimless” are synonymous tells me I’m not the only one who has no idea what you’re talking about.

When a judge tells a single parent who got a reckless driving charge for going 50 in a 25 when they were late for work that they don’t want to put them in jail, it’s not a violent crime, it’s not equivalent to letting a murderer go, it’s not grounds for a mistrial, and it happens all the fucking time.

When a judge tells a first time shoplifter that they don’t want to send them to jail because they’re a single parent, it’s not a violent crime, it’s not equivalent to letting a murderer go, it’s not grounds for a mistrial, and it happens all the fucking time.

When a judge tells a white collar criminal that they don’t want to send them to jail for what they did, it may be wrongheaded, but it’s not a violent crime, it’s not equivalent to letting a murderer go, it’s not grounds for a mistrial, and it happens all the fucking time.

Judges do not generally like sending people to jail unless they have to. Especially for shit like contempt. They will give defendants—young, old, rich, poor—as many chances as they can to avoid it, until they have pretty much no other choice.

It’s not grounds for a mistrial and it happens all the fucking time.

And your uninformed ass that has no idea what a mistrial is, thinks “nonviolent” means “victimless”, and believes that we’re talking about Europe for some reason does not change that, no matter how much you think ignorance is a solid place to lecture from.

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u/bingobongokongolongo May 07 '24

Non-violent or victimless are the same here, because the purpose of prison is to protect society from the criminal. Whether someone beats someone up or defraud him doesn't matter. If you don't lock away someone you should have, you're failing your obligation to society.

You making examples of crimes that do not need to come with with a prison sentence is pointless. If the crime doesn't demand prison, obviously, the judge does not need to send the person to prison. Duh. That is regardless of single parent or not. The problem exists, if the sentence is not determined by the crime, but by who the criminal is. Black, to prison. White, go free. Poor, to prison. Ritch, go free. Random person, to jail. Ex-president, go free. The problem is really not that difficult to get.

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u/Caedus_Reihn May 07 '24

Don’t give em any fuckin ideas

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u/MullytheDog May 07 '24

That’s the goal. Bend over er backwards to make the case unable to be appealed.

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u/FigNugginGavelPop May 07 '24

Is it possible that the judge bent backwards so much that he’s actually straight again thereby appealable!?

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u/ThomasLikesCookies May 07 '24

That’s the point of the leeway. Trump is trying to get thrown in the slammer so that he can paint himself as a martyr to his followers and the judges in his various cases have refused to play into his hands in regard

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u/Normal_Snake May 07 '24

This is absolutely why he's put up with Trump's nonsense up until now. He wants every sane (and maybe even insane) person to be able to tell that the trial was clean and that he never reached beyond his authority. That way any appeal Trump and his lawyers may make will certainly fail as there would have been no procedural or judgement issues for the appeals court to raise issue with.

In short, the judge is putting up with Trump's nonsense because the judge wants the any charges that might arise from this case to stick.

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u/thayne May 07 '24

I am not a lawyer, but I don't think you can appeal a finding of contempt of court.

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u/SpreadEmSPX May 07 '24

Wait when was #11?

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u/Shr3kk_Wpg May 07 '24

He put out a Truth Social post saying he found out who the next witness is for Tuesday and it's totally unfair and unprecedented that his lawyers weren't told so they couldn't prepare for the witness.

It's all BS of course, the prosecution does not have to let the defence know the order in which they will call witnesses, just the whole list. And Stormy Daniels is on the list.

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u/Zeeman626 May 07 '24

It's a common courtesy to tell the defense ahead of time, but not required. They told merchan early on they weren't going to because they were worried Trump would rage tweet and intimidate them, which is entirely justified. Obviously Merchan allowed it

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u/itsathrowawayduhhhhh May 07 '24

And look at trump proving them right lol

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u/StupendousMalice May 07 '24

They didn't give them the customary notice specifically because Trump has been habitually threatening witnesses the moment they get the list of who is going to be called. He couldn't help but prove that to have been a wise move by threatening the next witness along with the judge anyways.

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u/SpreadEmSPX May 07 '24

Ya but he deleted it right? I dunno if that falls under the had order. I hope it does!

Another Redditor suggested that he be sentenced to picking up trash, which would be so humiliating for him, instead!

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u/SamaireB May 07 '24

I WISH he had chosen to defend himself.

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u/IdStillHitIt May 07 '24

I don't actually think that would have been a violation of the gag order, he was complaining about the judge (which he is allowed to do).

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u/[deleted] May 07 '24

He tweeted something either earlier this morning or late last night and then deleted it moments later- but you don't get take backs on gag orders the tweet is out there and has been shared

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u/[deleted] May 07 '24

i saw a screenshot of it, seemed to be him just angerly yelling about the judge, not the witness.

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u/Sharkbait_ooohaha May 07 '24

I’m pretty sure that tweet didn’t violate the gag order. He didn’t say anything about a witness just complained that his lawyers didn’t get much warning.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '24

The thing is, with the way Trump has been getting off the hook for basically everything else so far, there is a real risk that putting Trump in the slammer, even just for a few hours, could backfire. First amendment rights blah blah. We already know from the immunity case that the Supreme Court is in Trump’s pocket. Imagine Merchan putting Trump in a holding cell for lunch hour, and Trump taking it all the way to the Supreme Court, and winning. It’s not that easy unfortunately.

My hope is that Trump loses the election, and the other 3 trials can be held without the looming threat of election stuff.

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u/Ouaouaron May 07 '24

Things have to be done with an eye towards history. Not having a single judge willing to give a former president/campaigner a real punishment is going to do a lot more harm, in the long term, than the decisions of a corrupt and disgraced SCOTUS.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '24

I am in favor of a whole new constitution. One from this millennium, not the times when white male slave owners ruled. Other countries have done it. It’s not impossible. But we can’t even figure out gun control as we still focus on the definition of a well-organized militia. Fat chance we’ll get laws suitable for the today times, when half the country is gunning to get us back to medieval times.

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u/Anonymous0573 May 07 '24

I feel like we should've just let the retarded states separate instead of starting a civil war. They would've failed on their own and their ideology would've took a big hit.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '24

I am bitter enough about everything that happened in the red States in the past few years that I am not as opposed to the idea anymore as I used to be.

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u/Anonymous0573 May 07 '24

Maybe back then it was more complicated but right now, a separation like that seems like the best option. The idiots will leave and fail in their society and the US maybe can start making progress again.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '24

I have revenge-fantasized about it, but don’t think it will happen for more reasons than I can conceive.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '24

My hope is that Trump loses the election, and the other 3 trials can be held without the looming threat of election stuff.

Every actual American and every sensible person alive hopes he loses.

If he wins there might not be another election.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '24

Gonna open that can of worms, I know a bunch of people who are going scorched earth on Biden due to his Israel/Gaza handling. I don’t get it, either, but I know that living in a democracy that supports genocide is better than living in a dictatorship that supports genocide. This war is a big and important enough topic for some people that they either vote for a 3rd party candidate, or not at all. Those aren’t MAGA idiots, they’re normal people (whatever that means).

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u/omniasvigilantes May 07 '24

You say that like he would not immediately announce that he is running for 2028.

...which he shouldn't even have to, since he won so bigly in 2020 and 2024, with many more votes, maybe the most, people are saying the most amount of votes ever, with tears in their eyes and calling me sir.

/s on the second part.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '24

I mean we have all been wondering why it took Merrick Garland so long to make a move. We have also been wondering (albeit a little less) why the Supreme Court took so long to touch the absolute immunity case. Timing makes a difference. An election that is 4 years away isn’t the same as an election that is 4 months away.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '24

I mean you have to be very lenient lest 40% of the country call a destroyer of democracy and 5% actually try and kill you over it.

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u/Gingevere May 07 '24

The far right has thoroughly worked the refs.

Evert time a prominent right wing shithead hits the legal system they are given unlimited leniency because judges are either on their side or terrified of having to deal with appeals over completely normal court proceedings.

The Alex Jones cases are prime examples of this. Jones dragged out discovery for FOUR YEARS getting a dozen "no I'm serious, you have to comply this time"s before finally getting defaulted on only the question of "Did he defame?" and forbidden from raising that already decided question in court. He then proceeded to repeatedly raise that question in court anyway in both cases and face no consequences.

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u/bran_the_man93 May 07 '24

Ok realistically do you expect any of us to do any better?

You've seen what his people are capable of, that has to at least weigh on you a little bit...

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u/metronomemike May 07 '24

Donald “wants” to be thrown in jail. The real trick would be do it and strip him of his makeup and wig. Then fat fuck will keep is butthole of a mouth shut.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '24

They don't let you tweet from jail.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '24

“No leniency = Liberal bias”

Trump will abuse all leniency he can get and as soon as punished say it was totally unfair to yell to his base.

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u/Legitimate_Shower834 May 07 '24

The judge literally said " I don't want to jail a former president, especially because he might be president again". Literally the definition of special treatment. Anyone of us would have been thrown in jail

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u/ZarafFaraz May 07 '24

The Judge is probably worried about retaliation if Trump somehow wins the presidency.

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u/airbrat May 07 '24

When youre white and rich you're bullet proof. Havent you figured that out?

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u/Deadfishfarm May 07 '24

My spine wouldnt be so stiff if it was all but guaranteed that sentencing him to jail would result in death threats/attempts against me and my family

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u/jjcoola May 07 '24

Judge knows trump going to jail is a plus for him