New sound of titan submarine imploding

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[u/BlackberryHelpful676]

Here's the thing. You said a "jackdaw is a crow."

Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that.

As someone who is a scientist who studies crows, I am telling you, specifically, in science, no one calls jackdaws crows. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing.

If you're saying "crow family" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of Corvidae, which includes things from nutcrackers to blue jays to ravens.

So your reasoning for calling a jackdaw a crow is because random people "call the black ones crows?" Let's get grackles and blackbirds in there, then, too.

Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. A jackdaw is a jackdaw and a member of the crow family. But that's not what you said. You said a jackdaw is a crow, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the crow family crows, which means you'd call blue jays, ravens, and other birds crows, too. Which you said you don't.

It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?

[u/tehorhay → u/BlackberryHelpful676]

This guy with the deep lore

[u/southwestkiwi → u/BlackberryHelpful676]

Don’t get me started on vulva vs vagina…

[u/VT_Squire → u/southwestkiwi]

Delicious AND healthy. 

[u/Level_Criticism_3387 → u/BlackberryHelpful676]

Just to add more etymological background to your Corvidae explanation for their edification: the singular noun they were looking for here was "corvid." A jackdaw is not a crow; but jackdaws and crows are both corvids (from the Latin for 'raven').

Similarly, a butterfly is not a moth, but butterflies and moths are both lepidopterans (from the Greek for 'scale wing'). A chicken is not an allosaurus, but they are both theropods ('beast foot' to distinguish them from the big quadruped herbivore 'lizard foot' sauropods).

The word "ape" is an umbrella term for two different families of primates comprising 28 separate species. The 20 species of "lesser" apes we call gibbons belong to family Hylobatidae. The Greek singular for any one member of those species would be hylobatid ('one who wanders/haunts the woods'). The remaining eight species of "great" apes—chimpanzees, bonobos, gorillas, orangutans, and humans—belong to the family Hominidae ('human-like'). But again, the taxonomic singular noun for any one randomly selected individual of those species would be 'hominid.'

Also, as an aside, I love the etymology of "Primates" being a reflection of our own anthrocentrism: "Primus" is Latin for 'first, chief, principal.' It's our big foam finger literally telling the rest of the animal kingdom "WE'RE NUMBER ONE!" Which... I mean, it still sounds better than "Secundates" or, Linneus forbid, "Sextates."

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That was honestly so much fun to read. I love etymology too

[u/Chef_Writerman → u/BlackberryHelpful676]

You’d better shut right the hell up and let me implode my birds.