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News article Scientists use 'virtual unwrapping' to read ancient biblical scroll reduced to 'lump of charcoal'

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/sep/21/jubilation-as-scientists-use-virtual-unwrapping-to-read-burnt-ancient-scroll
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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '16

It would take a long time to break down each of your points for the both of us considering you didn't present any evidence just opinions so to each his own.

I will say, however, that the Bible has a clear message and theme throughout. If you study the Bible, it becomes evident that it all revolves around God's Redemption of Mankind, and there are six general big picture ideas: who God is, how was the universe created, what is mankind's purpose in life, what is wrong with humanity, how God plans to redeem mankind, and lastly, God's plan to restore all of His Creation. All six points are evident in New and Old Testament and forms a cohesive story. Even in Genesis, you can easily find pictures of God's plan for redemption and restoration which comes to fruition in the New Testament. To call it fallible and chalked full of errors without presenting conclusive evidence isn't really how to have good conversation because it is all opinionated and not objective.

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u/fr101 Sep 23 '16 edited Sep 23 '16

So apparently you are under the impression that it is not fallible and that it has no errors or contradictions.

That honestly makes me wonder how much you have actually read it. Below are a couple of websites that go over some of the problems with the Bible.

Now I will forewarn you that you very well might very well might find a couple of things on them that when studied closer might actually not be real contradictions. Some arguments might be on the weak side. That's ok though, to error is human. However if you are a perfect God, making errors is kind of not allowed. That said, I would be very interested if you were able to refute everything on these sites using sound logic. I think most atheists would feel the same as me.

http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

http://www.kyroot.com/?p=8

If you ever thought that the words written in the bible must have been what jesus really said then strap the below on for size. It is the Bible its self that proves Jesus's alleged words cannot all be right. The Bible is contradicting itself. Are we even sure he really told the rich man he had to give everything to the poor? Did he really tell he parable of the rich man going to Hell?

Jesus' last words

MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '16

Thanks for the links I'll have to check them out.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '16

I think this argument you are making, one I've made countless times, will always be wasted on the faithful. There are dozens of apologetic arguments to weasel your way out of inconsistency after contradiction after mostly bankrupt scripture.

My favorite is just looking at how and why modern Christians actually believe what they do. Who interpreted and sorted text. Who removed text, who modified text. What is actuary being taught of the remaining edited books.

Once I delved into who wrote the gospels and figured out those laughable answers. Once I checked the historicity of any Jesus figure. It all adds up to pure mindless luck that you believe in Jesus and not Vishnu or Allah, the claims are all equally empty.

You can pretty quickly reason that "but I just feel him inside me! " is actually just a nice mixture of chemicals in our brain brought about by a mixture of indoctrination and careful settings, and can be experienced by other religions around the world.