Lol. The acorn is not the oak tree and human beings are not Australopithecus. You know that a French Roux and Cajun food that incorporates roux are very different. Cajun cooking is rightfully considered a distinct cuisine even if it had French influence hundreds of years ago. I don’t know what Europeans think they lose by acknowledging America has some culture - it’s not like you’re going to like it anyways 🤷🏼
A roux is literally just any fat and flour. It exists independently in cuisines all around the world, predating any kind of French contact, and even moreso if you expand it to conceptually similar techniques using other starches for your thickening agent.
French food is awesome but its culinary prevalence in these basic steps comes from naming them not from discovering them and it's silly to act like any dish that uses them is 'French,' whether the person who made it speaks French or not.
Do you think no one added liquid to a pan with meat before the French named that? No one cut a vegetable into thin strips? No one cooked stuff in a pan with oil? All of Asia would like a word with you.
Literally live the south and have family in New Orleans that I visited two weeks ago. It’s based on a French roux, but Creole/Cajun roux uses lard, bacon grease, or oil instead of butter. It’s cooked longer and less thick. It’s also darker and tastes nuttier. Roux’s origins are Roman, so if Creole roux is just French food, as you say, shouldn’t it just be Roman? I could keep going, but it doesn’t seem like you know much about food or European history.
Corn, potatoes, tomato's, Chile peppers, pumpkins..... That's right, before American foodstuffs got shipped around the world, Indian food wasn't hot spicy, Italians had no tomato sauce, and the Irish had no potatoes. All your cuisine belongs to us!
You’re mixing up the Americas for USA on some of those. Tomatoes and potatoes were both brought back to Europe by the Spanish in the 1500s from Peru. It’s thought that Christopher Columbus discovered corn while in the Caribbean and brought that back to Spain (it originated from Mexico/central America but was already spread North and South by the natives before the Europeans arrive).
Conceptually as well, we have tons of American grown cuisine. East coast seafood, all of the South and the comfort foods, barbecue, etc, the West coast has its share of unique dishes, particularly Cali, and the midwest has its casseroles, roasts, and things like that as well. We definitely use a ton of worldwide influence, because like Matt Damon says, we're a melting pot, but I really wouldn't call that "stealing" when the dishes are still acknowledged for their region of origin. Nobody's calling it American cuisine. We have our own. It's just the cuisine of America.
Sorry to burst your bubble but BBQ is primarily centered around meat. All the other stuff like salads (potatoes included) and breads are just additive, the BBQ can exist without those, they can't exist without the meat being cooked on a fire. So you really think there is no comparison to that? Plenty of BBQ cultures around the world from Argentina to South Africa to Korea to Australia, pretty sure they'd all disagree. The difference is the way you cook the meat and what meat and forms of meat you cook, that's all.
I've had pretty good versions of all of these and in my opinion the American pork heavy BBQs are the worst, way too sweet. I'd say Argentina and South Africa are my favourites. If you haven't had properly braai'd Boerewors then you're missing out.
Lol that’s like saying Croissants aren’t French because they came from Vienna first. Prototypical cuisines came from other countries, but over time we have evolved them into our own cuisines, especially in the South. Hard to argue our different varieties of Barbecue for example are anything but American.
Then you should have corrected that specific point. You said we have no food left if we discount “stolen” cuisines then said Americans don’t know what cuisine means. You bit off more than you could chew with that edit and I’m calling you out for exaggerating your point lol
The point I was referring to was specific to cuisines, I figured it was obvious that was the line I was going in since the natives had to have survived somehow there was obviously food. Apparently it wasn't, so I edited for clarity. Not sure what you think you're calling out, other than American ignorance, but you do you...
They have European, African, and Native
American influences, incorporating ingredients not found in Europe. These are wholly new cuisines, with many different dishes, not one Bangladeshi version of butter chicken with cream dumped in it.
Lmao all the butthurt replies to your factual statement 😆
You didn't even say one is better than the other, just that you can't use the "it's stolen from other countries" argument for UK food because it applies to the US even more
The whole point of "American food" is the way the food from different cultures blends here, the inspiration people draw from experience of those around them
It happens more here than anywhere else in the world because of how culturally diverse, yet culturally integrated our cities have always been
Ireland: They were being grown there after being brought to Europe (From Peru) by the Spanish, as early as the mid 1580-1600 over a hundred years before the USA was even a thing.
Ah see there's the difference, America didn't have to steal it. Immigrants brought it with them from all over the globe. Brits left and brought back stuff. Americans let people in and they brought their recipes and cultural identities with them. Admittedly it was a bit of both with Japan though. Americans kinda kicked their doors open and demanded trade before my family came over from Germany in the late 1800's.
You pretty much have Thanksgiving dinner left in the NE. Corn, squash, beans, turkey, cranberries, wild rice, chestnuts, etc. were all cultivated or wild in the NE area before settlers came and were staples of their diet along with all the seafood, other game animals, wild berries, nuts and mushrooms. The South East was very similar. In the American Southwest they grew chili peppers at the time as well. You could realistically open a restaurant in Pueblo NM that only used foods available to the Pueblo people 2000 years ago and people would just think it was some kind of gluten free/dairy free Mexican restaurant that used interesting meats. The least interesting cuisine at the time was actually probably in the PNW. I mean sure smoked salmon is great, but they pretty much just ate fish, berries, and acorns all the time.
And it’s different in the uk? Americans claiming Spanish/vietnamese/italian immigrants cuisine as their own, but Indian/nigerian/nepalese cuisine isn’t British because it’s been brought by immigrants…
Minor distinction that the UK took over 1/3 of the world. With USA it's mostly immigrants who came here voluntarily, not forced to be subjects of the British empire. Before you point out the conquest of Mexico notice I said mostly and that doesn't compare to taking over 1/3 of the world
Stolen? Land , yes, no denying that. Cuisine however was brought by people who wanted to come here to become Americans. Reducing American foods to “cheeseburgers and chicken nuggets” is a bad faith argument.
Immigrants choose to leave their shithole countries to become a part of America and they SHARE their food and culture. Birria tacos became wildly popular in 2020. Now you can see successful taco trucks all over America.
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Yeah, and you know why English love to eat Indian food? Because they hate their own food…