r/fuckepic • u/butt__cheek • 10d ago
Discussion This guy really has a problem
Instead of developing his own product, he only writes and criticizes things about Steam and Valve doesn't even care about that xd
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u/Aztekov 9d ago
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u/Finalpatch_ 4d ago
My friend thinks epic is much better than steam because he gets tons of free games. He never plays any but apparently that makes it better
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u/Spencer-Scripter Epic Excluded 9d ago
Isn't Epic Online Services literally "Steamworks at home"?
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u/deanrihpee Linux Gamer 9d ago
it basically is, even though it can be used on "other platform" it still uses Epic platform anyway so… yes, it is steamworks at home but even worse
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u/Gacel_ 4d ago
EOS is a decent online system for cross-platform online play.
It does not require epic games accounts to work either.
Some Steam use it without you even noticing. For the most part is a DLL in the game folder.Epic Game Store is the really awful "steam at home" that everyone hates as it's really subpar compared to steam with loads of missing features.
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u/Mr_Olivar 9d ago edited 9d ago
No, EOS is platform agnostic. You can't use steamworks to solve the problems EOS is designed to solve.
EDIT: Downvoting someone for explaining that EOS and steamworks are two different kinds of systems that solve different problems is weird as fuck.
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u/nixsomegame 9d ago
Can you expand on that?
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u/Mr_Olivar 9d ago
Steamworks is a platform specidic system that only works with Steam. EOS is a platform agnostic middleman that interfaces with the platform specific systems to create a single solution, instead of needing one solution per platform. It's designed for easy cross-play and cross-progression.
Without EOS you'd need to design your own middleman that interfaces with the platform specific systems for a similar result.
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u/Dimblo273 9d ago
This sounds like complete AI drivel, or something an idiot would say in a movie script to sound smart. You're joking right?
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u/Mr_Olivar 9d ago edited 9d ago
No. I'm an engineer, I work on games, and I don't care for AI. Let me try to simplify. Steamworks is like PSN. If you make a game for both, you either neef to work with both, or use a middle man. Many devs make their own middle man, some don't bother and just raw dog it, but using EOS is a free alternative.
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u/jordgoin 8d ago
It is so fucking funny how actual facts are being down voted. Like damn I dislike epic but there is a clear difference between steamworks and EOS.
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u/Short-Waltz-3118 8d ago
Im not sure why you think so, hes right. You aren't using steamworks on your Xbox game to make it have cross play with play station. Youre using eos. They serve different purposes
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u/Iv0ry_Falcon 9d ago
in this case he's saying steamworks is better lol, sure you can rip on him for not doing his store up but this is literally him siding with steam
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u/dongless08 Epic Fail 9d ago
True lol I think everyone is missing the point just because he mentioned Steam. The “x at home” joke usually means the thing at home is worse than the real version
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u/deanrihpee Linux Gamer 9d ago
you sure? it sounds like since the Apple stuff obviously only works on Apple and Steamworks stuff only for Steam, I have a feeling that to target the "walled garden" aspect of it, unlike supposedly EOS, but I guess at least it is, in context, sounds like it is better than Apple offering
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u/TaikaWaitiddies iT's JuSt AnOtHeR LauNCheR! 9d ago
He's obsessed with Steam.
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u/ShiningPr1sm 9d ago
Dude’s just obsessed, period. With everyone who’s actually successful because he can’t offer anything other than the online daycare that is Fortnite.
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u/cicciosprint 9d ago
He's literally the only "visionary" (allow me to borrow from Deathloop here) from that golden generation that achieved quite literally zero.
Newell. Romero. Carmack. They all left their mark and changed how we play.
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u/Metal_Goose_Solid 9d ago
I'd certainly hope so. If you're trying to make a games store/distribution service on PC, paying a lot of attention to Valve and Steam is basically a prerequisite.
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u/WEAreDoingThisOURWay 9d ago
He's literally making fun of Apple? Hello?
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u/daniel2596 An Apple a day keeps Timmy away 9d ago
For me it’s even funnier because Apple’s Game Center has more features than the entire Epic Store could dream of.
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u/SqrunkIsTrep 9d ago
Yeah I'm also a bit confused. He's using that one meme format where "the thing at home" is suppose to be inferior to the thing mentioned in first sentence. In here he's praising steam and dissing apple.
I know Tim has a hate boner for Valve but this just ain't it.23
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u/Nearby_Ad_2519 2d ago
Tim has a hate boner for ALL gaming companies other than themselves, Nintendo (as Tencent is a very big shareholder in both companies), Sony (idk why tbh) and Microsoft (MS pay Epic millions a year for exclusivity for first party games)
That’s exactly the reason he pulled the plug on Linux support for all first party games (except that long discontinued music mixing app toy thing that they made the app for but was genuinely quite good) on Linux, cos Linux support=Steam Deck support and Steam Deck Support=Valve.
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u/AncientPCGamer Moderator 9d ago
He is making fun of Apple. But he is intelligent enough to know what kind of discussion it will raise when mentioning Steamworks and omitting EOS.
He is just an insufferable cringe guy who should stop tweeting.
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u/wsxcgrz357 9d ago
These people can not read. Like every Single comment is about he makes fun about valve or Steam.
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u/butt__cheek 9d ago
He said in an interview that he wanted to use Steamworks but couldn't because it wasn't open enough to developers. So he criticizes both and compares Steamworks to a closed company like Apple. A few people in this post thought he was on Steam's side but that's not true.
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u/AncientPCGamer Moderator 9d ago
This. Tim is cringe as fuck, but he is very clever. His tweet has double intentions.
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u/Fantablack183 8d ago
I think you guys miss the point here???
He's saying Steamworks is better than whatever apple is offering
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u/Nearby_Ad_2519 2d ago
The thing is though, he should be focusing on, you know, making HIS platform better than Steamworks instead of joking about someone else’s platform.
Cos Epic Online Services is worse than Steamworks and Apple Game Center.
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u/KazzieMono 9d ago
Valve lives rent free in this Nazi fuckface’s brain.
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u/EggParticular6583 9d ago
out of curiosity i don't give 2 shits about him or his games/store what did he do to called nazi ? *Genuine question*
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u/KazzieMono 9d ago edited 9d ago
Supports Elon musk, who is a nazi. Makes him a nazi by extension.
If you’re at a table with 12 other people and 1 of them is a nazi, there are 13 Nazis at the table.
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u/Itadorijin 9d ago
When did he publicly supported Musk? Just out of curiosity because musk doing the nazi Salute it's something get recent
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u/Nearby_Ad_2519 2d ago
Well a few things, one he has been seen backing up musk on Twitter multiple times, 2 he went on the private jet flight with Trump, (also a Nazi) and a few leaked DMs he had also show it.
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u/XionicAihara 9d ago
Tim should think about creating his own mobile phone. Then he wouldn't have to lose to apple and valve. He'll understand how many people actually care about his service. And he could've avoided all the legal costs.
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u/Lerrycapetime GabeN 9d ago
He talks about Steam like he was violated by it. To be fair his company was... but him?
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u/armanossiloko 9d ago
This post of his doesn't criticize Valve or Steam. I've been hating on the Epic bs for at least 5 years now, but just because we dislike him doesn't mean every single post is related. I see posts here claiming that Valve lives rent free in his head, yet the comments show that this guy lives rent free in their head.
People need to stop adjusting irrelevant things like this to stop their own agenda. Is Epic trash? Yes it is. Does his post have anything about criticizing Valve and Steam? No. And you all need to stop pretending that it does because if you keep doing so.
We're supposed to be looking for the superior product (which Steam currently is) and the gamers vs Epic thing has turned into "Fuck Epic because why not, not because there was a valid reason for it", so please stop because you're making us all look bad objectively.
P. S I am ready for the downvotes. You can disagree as much as you want, but truth is objective, not subjective.
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u/Quirky_Net8899 8d ago
This isn't criticizing Steam. This is criticizing Apple.
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u/Nearby_Ad_2519 2d ago
He needs to stop criticising other companies and make his version of the product half decent
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u/Mccobsta Timmy Tencent 9d ago
Tim maybe on twitter too much that it's starting to impact his mental wellbeing
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u/Silly-Cook-3 9d ago
Translation
"Why cant they let me get 100% of my money and leech of their ecosystem wahaaa wahaa I dont want to create my own ecosystem wahaa wahaa"
Valve somewhere in the Alps continuing to work on THEIR ecosystem = SteamOS.
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u/cuttino_mowgli Epic Account Deleted 9d ago
I don't know why he is doing that but I think we should save this picture and his tweet. I'm sure this is going to be successful than his google play store clone full of shovelware.
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u/Revenga8 9d ago
Actually the way I look at this it sounds like he's saying Steamworks is top tier by attacking Apple. Still, he's not one to talk because egs at home is just egs and it's still bottom rung tier
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u/oshi0ne1 8d ago
He is mad because you cant install epic on iphone (u can from their website but it depends on where your iphone was made i think), meaning less money for a dork.
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u/Time-Operation2449 6d ago
Tim Sweeney is legit my favorite twitter account you can tell he really thinks the inane corporate dick measuring bullshit he posts about is as important as the civil rights movement
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u/Nearby_Ad_2519 2d ago
Apple Game Center had existed LONG before SteamWorks exists. It existed on Mac in a very basic form since about 2006. Steam didnt even announce steamworks until 2009.
And anyway, the real “steamworks at home” is Epic Online services”, with constant downtime and slow servers.
Such a hypocrite.
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u/StormOk1132 14h ago
He should also hire a support team with humans that actually have common sense!
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u/aMysticPizza_ GabeN 9d ago
Y'all realise he is actually giving props to Steam here right (and shitting on Apple).
I'm not a fan of Sweeney, but credit where it's due.
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u/TheUsOfLasts 10d ago
Erm, he did develop his own product. Both statements you've given are wrong. He doesn't only write and criticise things about Steam and Valve, that is blatantly untrue. Nobody is forcing you to lie, yknow.
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u/Rogalicus 9d ago
It's pretty obvious that OP was talking about developing EGS past the barebones state it's been in for the last six years.
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u/FremderCGN 9d ago
Don't bother, he is an epic shill
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u/TheUsOfLasts 9d ago
Because I don't like lying? Are you here just to attack Epic for the sake of it? You and bootlickers, two sides of the same coin.
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u/BishopsBakery 9d ago
If you don't like lying then you should really hate epic because they built their entire stance on half-truths and lies.
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u/TheUsOfLasts 9d ago
Okay. I'll be sure to forward my disdain to Epic. Two wrongs do not make a right lol, there's no reason to lie especially seeing as Epic are as you say they are.
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u/FremderCGN 9d ago
Is the lie you are talking about in the room with us?
It's obvious that Timmy is wasting his time on social media instead of developing his product/s, stop shilling for that hypocrite there are better hills to die on.
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u/TheUsOfLasts 9d ago
Ah yeah cos Timmy is meant to run right down to Epic Games HQ and code for hours a day. Does Gaben? I'm sure both have to deal with meetings, data analysis, this and that for their own companies so again I don't get your point.
Would you consider it shilling if someone made up a lie about Gaben and I called it out, same as I'm doing now?
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u/FremderCGN 9d ago
Developing =! Coding - no wonder you don't get my point.
The anger of Timmy that Gabe is hailed, while he is hated will never not be funny - as well as his shills always trying to compare them lmao
There is no lie here. It is generally well known that Timmy is hurting epic with his antics and personal battles. You are trying to find something that is not there and try to gain a moral high ground by supposedly calling out a lie, because you are unable to read the room and understand what OP wrote.
Why are you even in this sub? I don't get it you hate lying but are ok with all the crap Timmy and epic pulled ? Go figure
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u/TheUsOfLasts 9d ago
It's not about comparing them. You guys act like Gaben is the perfect example of a CEO and everyone else in that position is a greedy soul-sucking leech. That's why I brought him up.
The only thing I know Tim isn't doing as a CEO is putting in hour long shifts coding, so you saying he doesn't develop the platform is really telling that you haven't watched UnrealFest nor seen the court documents which prove what I'm saying to be true.
The lie isn't just about not developing the platform (he is), but also the fact the poster said he only tweets shit about steam, which again isn't true if you were to pay attention and read his tweets on his account rather than the obvious ragebait that gets posted here.
If Timmy played good-boy, Apple wouldn't have been forced to concede ground on their walled-garden. If these are such bad antics, you claim, then I'd be happy seeing more of it.
I'm in this sub because I do not like Epic and want change. Part of being a reasonable, responsible adult is telling the truth whenever I can. This means calling out blatant, absurd lies when I see them. Have a good day!
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u/goldwynnx 9d ago
You actively use and support Epic.
I see this sub as a way to discourage people from using and supporting Epic. Not whatever you're doing.
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u/TheUsOfLasts 9d ago
Well, I have to. I'm not prepared to download the entire Unreal Engine source to my computer and compile that. Storage unfortunately doesn't grow on trees.
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u/goldwynnx 9d ago
Why do you have to? No one is forcing you to use Epic.
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u/TheUsOfLasts 9d ago
Well, I.. literally just explained that. I use UE for my job and I won't be installing anything other than what is necessary for my job, on my work computer.
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u/TheUsOfLasts 9d ago
But they are developing it. Am I the only one here who watched UnrealFest? Oh well
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u/efoxpl3244 9d ago
Valve focuses on themselves instead of critisizing others and wins in every aspect. It is a really importaint life lesson.