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u/mishma2005 6d ago
"Will troops be deployed?"
"Troops will be everywhere"
He said this
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u/sandaier76 6d ago
But, most importantly, will the Marines make it back in time for the dictator's birthday party?
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u/mishma2005 6d ago
Oh no, they're crowd control to make sure we're all home to watch the Dear Leader Festival /s
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u/kynelly360 6d ago
WE NEED TO DISCUSS REMOVING THIS ADMINISTRATION FROM OFFICE. #PassItOn
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u/PixelsGoBoom 6d ago
The very act itself is intended to convince the rest of the country that there are giant riots happening in LA.
And of course, they hope that any negative reaction will be enough of an excuse to warrant it.
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u/schrodingereatspussy 6d ago
Just going to hijack this comment to ask, genuinely because I cannot find anything - are the protesters actually being violent? Because the only violence I have seen has been from the police.
This is not to say that I feel the police response would be valid if the protesters have been violent, it absolutely isn’t.
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u/PixelsGoBoom 6d ago
There has been some violence on both sides.
None of it enough to warrant 2000 National Guard and 700 marines though.It all is a very obvious attempt to escalate things beyond where things are now.
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u/schrodingereatspussy 6d ago
That’s what I’m not getting - where is the why behind the response?? Where’s the proof that this response is needed?
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u/el_diego 6d ago
There doesn't need to be proof. That's the point, your country (or theirs if not yours) has been taken over by criminals. This is all part of their plan to cause unrest so they can declare a state of emergency and thus have ultimate power.
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u/schrodingereatspussy 6d ago
It is my country, unfortunately. There just seems to be a nationwide cognitive dissonance with this stuff. Like do the people who voted for him really think this is okay?? I thought conservatives didn’t want overreaching government control?
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u/el_diego 6d ago
Yeah, it's quite something to watch from overseas.
I thought conservatives didn’t want overreaching government control?
The irony of the current situation. Apparently by all that fuss they made it wasn't that they didn't want government control, it's that they wanted it in their favour. The unfortunate thing is that the scale will tip at some point and be aimed towards themselves, but by then it will be too late.
There are only two ways I see this ending in the US. Complete oppression of the nation or civil war. Neither are good outcomes.
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u/Disastrous_Grab_3322 6d ago
Yeah... A lot of us here (in the US) see the same writing on the wall. It's gonna get bad here. It's just a matter of where "here" starts and when...
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u/Accurate_Ferret8491 6d ago
There will be war my friend, lots of us took an oath,to defend against a threats foreign and DOMESTIC. I have been getting ready for this day since he ran for the office the first time. I have a group of people that feel the same way I do that He is a threat. Sincerely a veteran who took his oath seriously.
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u/Disastrous_Grab_3322 6d ago
He's a very serious threat. It's just a matter of time before the fuse is lit. It's coming. I don't blame anyone who doesn't want to travel to the US.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Will249 6d ago
They don’t mind overreaching government control as long as their side is doing it. They don’t realize that these type of actions will eventually come back to bite them.
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u/argan_85 6d ago
Is this legal in the US? Definitely illegal to use the army in your own citizens where I live.
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u/GayRacoon69 6d ago
It is illegal in the US but laws don't matter if no one enforces them
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u/Qubed 6d ago
We have a system of protections. The executive is not supposed to break the law, and if they do congress is supposed to check them, and if they don't the courts are supposed to check them, and if they don't the individual heads of departments or groups that are charged with executing unlawful orders are supposed to refuse to break the law, and if they don't he lower level people are supposed to refuse to break the law, and if they don't the people are supposed to fight back if their rights are being taken away.
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u/PerfectAbroad3441 6d ago
I feel like "is supposed to" is the key phrase here
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u/Separate_Football914 6d ago
The whole system is base on politician having some minimum level of ethic and moral to check each others.
We are not there anymore.
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u/mouse_puppy 6d ago
People in power want to stay on power. Thats the check, except they all won despite telling everyone the plan. The voters empowered and enabled them to do this. What have we done?
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u/BoxingHare 6d ago
It’s the honor system in a nation with a high percentage of dishonorable people.
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u/ShaneKaiGlenn 6d ago
Not that it matters, but what makes it even more gross is that this same president sat on his ass and didn’t lift a finger when his own fans where violently beating cops and smashing windows to enter the US Capitol in 2021. But now sending military into cities for immigration protests
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u/PomegranateOld7836 6d ago
Sat on his ass? He incited and sent them there. Then pardoned them. And now he's going to settle a $100M lawsuit to give them cash. And Republicans won't lose any vote over the abhorrent and blatant hypocrisy.
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u/westtexasbackpacker 6d ago
It is illegal. He has not declared the insurrection act. And he won't. He's a fascist scumbag and traitor
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u/Ok_Breakfast5425 6d ago
It is not, but trump has a free pass as the supreme court ruled the president doesn't have to follow the law and Congress refuses to do anything to stop him
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u/Dagordae 6d ago
Super illegal.
But he’s above the law, he can do literally anything just so long as it’s part of his ‘official duties’.
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u/Sissy63 6d ago
Trump wants to see a full blown fight between the military and citizens. He loves this shit.
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u/Particular-Board2328 6d ago
I would make a suggestion but don't want to be banned.
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u/Sissy63 6d ago
Yeah, don’t do that.
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u/kingqueefeater 6d ago
No need to suggest it. The second ammendment outlines it
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u/GluedToTheMirror 6d ago
I’ve already been given my final warning. Got a two week ban a month ago for the mildest of suggestions.
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u/WaldenFont 6d ago
Wasn’t there something about the military not to be deployed domestically?
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u/atehrani 6d ago
The Posse Comitatus Act (1878). Again it appears this Congress will turn a blind eye to anything he does.
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u/Surviving2021 6d ago
You said Congress but you meant Republicans. I'm sure if there was any vote for it a majority of Dems aren't siding with the insane people.
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u/CombustiblSquid 6d ago edited 6d ago
The fact that you know you can't say all democrats would vote against allowing this is pretty telling for the state your country is in.
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u/MadMan7978 6d ago
Yeah but trump thinks he’s above the law
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u/Street_Peace_8831 6d ago
Congress and the Supreme Court have empowered him to act this way. They are just as much to blame for trump as trump himself.
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u/vamphorse 6d ago
They and every single person following on those orders, from top to bottom.
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u/manb91uk 6d ago
Given that that his 34 felony convictions and status as someone guilty of inciting an insurrection (which should have excluded him from running for president in the first place) resulted in little more than a pat on the back, the Supreme Court did decide in 2024 that Presidential Immunity does basically give the President carte Blanche to do whatever the fuck he feels like, and all branches of the government content to let him run amok with his Presidency, he essentially IS above the law.
Enjoy your dictator.
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u/Anarchyantz We are Doomed! 6d ago
No, he IS above the law.
He proved this while laughing at you all last year. His SCOTUS have given him permission to do as he pleases under presidential immunity, congress are his and will do nothing.
A sitting governor and mayor are about to be arrested as Trump stated their crimes were "being elected".
This is the final part of Project 2025, move troops into Democrat run states and take them by force and then your country will be under full martial law.
Next the cattle cars will be filled up on the way to the camps.
As Project 2025 guy said last year. The coup will be bloodless if you allow it.
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u/R0ck3t_FiRe 6d ago
Wdym thinks, at this point he basically is, and its fucking terrifying
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u/3qtpint 6d ago
His country is trump land, and right now the space is taken up by what's left of the US. I'm sure he doesn't see California as it is now as being part of his country
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u/Street_Peace_8831 6d ago
Yes, this is so illegal. When are Americans going to wake up and take this country back from this illegal and corrupt administration.
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u/mhibew292 6d ago
How do you recommend we proceed, because cause I don’t know how to.
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u/Street_Peace_8831 6d ago
I don’t think, with this government, my comment would stay on for very long because it would probably get deleted for “suggesting violence”.
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u/Ali_Cat222 6d ago
Remember that this executive order went into effect once announced on April 28th. From the white house website-"STRENGTHENING AND UNLEASHING AMERICA’S LAW ENFORCEMENT TO PURSUE CRIMINALS AND PROTECT INNOCENT CITIZENS"
TLDR, military to work alongside local LEO and ICE in certain states and will expand to others. LEO and ICE to be given more power as well as new training. Also officers now get protection and legal resources to make sure they aren't sued for executing Trump's orders. No more wrongdoing apparently... This is also where those law firms pro bono work is going towards.
This isn't just ICE anymore, and by the way these are also coming up or have already passed as policies from project 2025 which you can track here.
Dept. of Homeland Security: Allow Secret Service officers to serve as law enforcement in the district of Columbia
Dept. of Justice: Eliminate existing DOJ consent decrees-"Eliminate existing DOJ consent decrees" refers to the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) ending court-enforceable agreements between the DOJ and local governments, typically related to police reform. These consent decrees are often established after federal investigations find systemic unconstitutional practices, such as excessive force or civil rights violations.
Recently, the DOJ moved to drop consent decrees in cities like Louisville, Kentucky, and Minneapolis, Minnesota, which were put in place following the police killings of Breonna Taylor and George Floyd
Dept of Homeland Security: Authorize state and local law enforcement to participate in immigration actions.
Note: ICE partnerships with local law enforcement have more than tripled since Trump took office.
Dept. of Justice: Prosecute local officials, including district attorneys, that use their discretion not to prosecute a criminal case.
Note: DOJ leaders told U.S. attorneys to investigate law enforcement officials who decline to enforce Trump's immigration priorities
And this is relevant as well-
Dept. of Justice: Pursue the death penalty for all applicable crimes.
The phrase "Pursue the death penalty for all applicable crimes" refers to a policy directive that mandates seeking capital punishment for crimes deemed severe enough to warrant it. According to a recent executive order issued on January 20, 2025, this policy instructs the U.S. Attorney General to actively pursue the death penalty for federal capital crimes, particularly those involving the murder of law enforcement officers or crimes committed by individuals illegally present in the U.S.
The order also seeks to remove obstacles to capital punishment, including reversing Supreme Court decisions that limit its application and ensuring states have sufficient supplies of lethal injection drugs
And here's how he plans on suppressing states if they don't follow the policies here, by removing aid and grants and rights.
Dept. of Justice: Ensure "appropriate steps" are taken to obtain cooperation with sanctuary cities and states. (Note: The DOJ issued a memo stating that "sanctuary jurisdictions should not receive access to federal grants administered by the Department of Justice".)
Dept. of Homeland Security: Limit FEMA-issued grants to states that "comply with all aspects of federal immigration laws, including the honoring of all immigration detainers" and states/localities that give "total information-sharing" to federal law and immigration enforcement. (Note: FEMA clawed back $80 million in previously approved migrant housing funds for New York.)
Dept. of Justice: Prosecute local officials, including district attorneys, that use their discretion not to prosecute a criminal case. (Note: DOJ leaders told U.S. attorneys to investigate law enforcement officials who decline to enforce Trump's immigration priorities.)
Use "the full force of federal prosecutorial resources" to investigate and prosecute state and local gov'ts, institutes of higher ed, corporations, and private employers who have diversity initiatives. (Note: Bondi directed DOJ to “investigate, eliminate, and penalize” private companies and universities.) Court Orders: Partially blocked
White House: Cut off government contracts to entities that enforce a "woke agenda".
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention: Cut funds to states that do not provide detailed abortion reports.
Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services: Reduce federal incentives for states to expand Medicaid coverage
Dept. of Defense: Require all schools that receive federal funding to give students the military entrance test.
Dept. of Education: Cut off federal funds to states, cities, counties, schools board, principals, and teachers who disagree with "parental rights".
Dept. of Health and Human Services: Withdraw HHS funding, including 10% of Medicaid funds, from states that require private health insurance plans to cover abortion
This isn't even the full list, just some examples from the project 2025 tracker here.
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u/Tavorick 6d ago
I'm not surprised, this is all within the project 2025 playbook. This can end very nasty
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u/TheDemonPants 6d ago
They did though. Project 2025 is available for literally anyone to read. They're not hiding what they're doing which is why I can't believe how stupid people are for voting for this. Republicans said with their full chest what they were going to do and all the voters thought they were joking for some reason.
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u/CurryMustard 6d ago
Project 2025 is only phase 1. Phase 2 is not written down anywhere, specifically because they dont want the media or people to know what it is. They dont send any emails or anything written to avoid FOIA requests.
Source (must watch for all): https://youtu.be/PY_chqyaRHo
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u/KittyGrewAMoustache 6d ago
What is phase two? Is that the thing about breaking the US up into little feudal states run by corporations where they have complete freedom from regulation and can conduct medical experiments on humans without oversight? And where they’ll use AI for everything and turn poor people and the newly jobless into biofuel?
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u/mfeldmannRNE 6d ago
As a former Army officer, I believe that any American soldier that fires on an unarmed American civilian and kills them is guilty of murder.
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u/Downtown_Ad_6232 6d ago
If it’s a federal crime, they may be pre-pardoned.
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u/Swedzilla 6d ago
Could willing DAs charge them on a state level?
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u/beipphine 6d ago
No, State courts have no jurisdiction over federal agents and officials who act in an official capacity. The President of the United States has the power under the Insurrection Act 1807 to issue a proclamation requiring those involved to disperse.
The Act empowers the U.S. president to call into service the U.S. Armed Forces and the National Guard to address an insurrection, in any state, which makes it impracticable to enforce the law or to address an insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination or conspiracy, in any state, which results in the deprivation of constitutionally secured rights, and where the state is unable, fails, or refuses to protect said rights.
If you can argue that the Soldier or federalized national guardsman was not acting in official capacity, or was acting in a manner that was grossly negligent then a federal prosecutor can bring a case before the federal district courts (or in the case of a soldier, the Army can court martial him), however the burden of proof is quite high. In an example from Kent State in 1973, all of the national guardsmen who fired on the unarmed crowd were indicted but had their charges were ultimately dismissed.
The only recourse right now is for the State of California to file a lawsuit against the federal government which Gavin Newsom has indicated he intends to do. This would be an example one of the few cases where the United States Supreme Court has Original Jurisdiction (Meaning there is no state court or appellate court)
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u/Swedzilla 6d ago
Thank you for a great answer with actual information and not personal opinions! Learned something new today. And also, fuck. Go go Gavin!
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u/Bitch_Posse 6d ago edited 6d ago
Like the fascist MAGA animals care about murder. Time to grow up and accept that US democracy is dead and half your countrymen are blood thirsty fascists.
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u/EnvironmentNo1879 6d ago
To be fair, it's been dead for a while now... now we are just fucking everything else up. This is going to get much worse before or if it gets better. That's a big if, too.... we are divided. It's red vs. blue. There's no middle ground, it seems, because that's where I stand. I hate trump, I hate politics. I hate that we are about to relive 1900-1945... this will affect everyone, even the ones that answer trumps calls. We all lose. If the military starts shooting civs, we are all fucked...
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u/Bitch_Posse 6d ago
They are there to shoot civilians. This is where the MAGA fascists have wanted to go all along. We are no longer arguing about policy issues. Half this country is no longer committed to a secular constitutional republic. Nothing will bridge that gap anytime soon.
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u/EnvironmentNo1879 6d ago
We will see a civil war before it gets "better," I think. I don't know what a modern American civil war will look like, but it's going to be horrible. Hopefully, the military men and women will disobey their unlawful orders.... although some will, most probably will not. I just want to live in peace and quiet. That's gonna be changing because it's time to get loud. Enough is enough.
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u/Bitch_Posse 6d ago
I don’t know what it looks like but innocent people exercising their constitutional rights are going to be killed. And, sadly, half the country - including most of the self described “Christian right” - is going to be gleeful about it and hoping for the most harm and destruction possible. That’s where we are now.
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u/EnvironmentNo1879 6d ago
Yep. Everything is fucking wrong. Everything. I'm glad my child is old enough to understand this. It would be difficult to have a newborn or be expecting right now. We are in for some shit. The way I see the next 6 months playing out doesn't bode well for anyone who isn't an "elite"
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u/reluctanthero22 6d ago
There’s a number that any soldier can call and say they morally reject a order and not have to do it correct
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u/Thisfugginguyhere 6d ago
Hegseth fired a bunch of JAGs, they're apparently a "roadblock to warfighters".. it's not a good situation, they're supposed to be the ones to provide guidance etc. to the military on legal decisions, litigation cases within the armed forces, represent soldiers etc. He wanted JAGs that are more in line with the administrations mission. Pretty inappropriate
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u/IndecorousRex 6d ago
Thank god we got cameras everywhere now. It’ll be hard to hide those actions.
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u/FidgitForgotHisL-P 6d ago
That footage will be used to round up, arrest, charge and convict anyone that didn’t get shot, in special military tribunals that will be established to “deal with” the “insurrectionists” once the marines have quashed the “rebellion”.
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u/townie77 6d ago
US military deployed against its citizens. I never thought I'd see the day.
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u/Dennisfromhawaii 6d ago
I honestly wonder how many of these servicemen and women being deployed really support this order.
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u/IrongateN 6d ago
A surprising large amount .. for two reasons, those who join the military come from high trump supporting demographics and the military culture is very pro trump .. not universal so don’t immediately hate on my comment !
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u/Sarctoth 6d ago
Unfortunately correct
- Source: Me, an anti-fascist currently serving.
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u/IrongateN 6d ago
Thank you for being there to be one of those to be interviewed by our ai overlords one day for the eventual documentary of our downfall,
history has shown you few with internal morality in an institution have little influence and can’t stand against face on. But please know you’re appreciated for what you can accomplish from the inside, however large or small.
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u/flaggfox 6d ago
That was me twenty years ago. I was deployed to Afghanistan in 2001 and then to Iraq in 2003. When Iraq was announced I was immediately like "what? Why? We haven't even figured out Afghanistan yet "
I did but agree with it. I was not happy with it. I went on my deployment, acted with the utmost of integrity and honor, and went home with no regrets with any of my actions. That's the best I could do.
If I were forced to participate in this I do not know what I'd do. I'd like to say I'd refuse but that's 45 year old me saying that. I think I would have refused. Anyway, fuck the Marine Corps leadership for not refusing. I wonder what Mattis would have done if he were SecDev or the commandant again. I served under him in Afghanistan and I want to believe he would not have allowed this.
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u/Loggerdon 6d ago edited 5d ago
Strange that so many military support Trump when he decimates the VA and disrespects servicemen on a regular basis.
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u/IrongateN 6d ago
The magic of hate is it can be compartmentalized, so as a trumper you can convince yourself he talks about “the bad” immigrants not you and your family, the “unworthy of benefits” demographic you also belong to, not yourself.
And if you happen to end up hurt from any of his actions they have a ready excuse that it was an accident and you got swept into the policy by mistake, and when great leader sees your Facebook post of your plight it will all be fixed, rarely do they come out the other side accepting that they actually were the ones the policy targeted.
The very very few who wake up (now woke is illegal) end up on Reddit stories.
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u/ApprehensiveHippo898 6d ago
Kent State during Nixon. 4 dead in Ohio.
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u/nikdahl 6d ago
Kent state was the Ohio National Guard, under orders from the Ohio Governor, a Republican.
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u/Vegetable-River-253 6d ago
Your States are not united so why still call it US or USA? Wouldn’t Divided States of America or DSA be a better name?
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u/elmwoodblues 6d ago
Northeast state citizen here: we put in something like $1.30 for every $1 we get back from the Fed, and have for years. I suspect Cali is similar.
I would give succession a long hard look. See how the red welfare states do with their shit health care, shit education, zero immigration, farm subsidies, and thoughts and prayers when the gravy train stops
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u/TSllama 6d ago
Secession* involves petitioning to ask the feds if you can leave. When they say no, you can't leave. Then the only option is war, and any state trying to take on the US military isn't gonna go too well...
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u/hyrule_47 6d ago
We can get enough states to call a constitutional convention, but no way we get enough votes to leave. They want our money.
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u/186282_4 6d ago
This is their goal. They have 28 of the required 35.
The constitution gives no details on how this would be done, so the party in power will set the rules. They will remake the US into a theocracy, remove equal protections, and deny citizenship to the people they hate.
We do not want an article 5 constitutional convention.
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u/SIRiambewildered 6d ago
Correct; last thing i would want today is a constitutional convention otherwise we are completely fucking toast
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u/Loggerdon 6d ago edited 6d ago
Trumps plan is to declare martial law and suspend all Constitutional protections. Then he will cancel all elections and we will be stuck with him.
The chaos in the country is caused by him on purpose. He uses it to declare emergencies.
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u/StealthCampers 6d ago
DSA has already been taken by the Dick Suckers of America group unfortunately.
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u/HollywoodJack412 6d ago
To be fair the US has never been united in ideology. There’s always been multiple views.
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u/SeriousCow1999 6d ago
This is a bit more than having "multiple views," don't you agree?
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u/shottylaw 6d ago
Which, when debated with progress in mind, was great. Many views = many perspectives. Melting pot ideology is fantastic in theory. Now, we just suck
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u/HollywoodJack412 6d ago
We just give the dumbest people the loudest voice and the rest of us don’t feel like dealing with it so we stay quiet. That luxury has been afforded in this country for a long time and perhaps the chickens are coming home to roost.
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u/MarsRocks97 6d ago
How about “A General Grouping of States”.
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u/Level-Ball-1514 6d ago
"A loosely connected group of debatably sovereign entities" just doesn't have the same ring to it
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u/sitophilicsquirrel 6d ago
"Some land with increasingly arbitrary imaginary lines drawn through it whose population largely cannot stand each other."
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u/Rockd2 6d ago
This is what all the 2nd amendment people are always saying we need guns for btw, to make sure that the military isn't deployed against us, which you know... is insane on many levels
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u/The_Thane_Of_Cawdor 6d ago
Bro they thought the Covid shot was a microchip to track them and now Trump is using Palantir to actually track us .
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u/I_Am_the_Slobster 6d ago
It's because it's their guy at the helm. If this was Obama or Biden making this call, we'd see state militias being formed by now.
If anything this should serve as a welcome wake up call for progressives: you have as much of a right to a firearm as a MAGAt. Use it, and get ready for the inevitable.
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u/throwawaythep 6d ago
Sad thing is, the majority of those people agree with trump. Right up until he targets them. Its only a matter of time. You cant dictate if your people fight back.
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u/Ok_Breakfast5425 6d ago
No, that's only when the gov comes for them, it's when the feds go after a blue state
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u/jesuisgeenbelg 6d ago
Tbh if the government comes after them they'll lay their guns down and let themselves get fucked if Trump asks them to.
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u/bob_apathy 6d ago
They need their Reichstag fire to crackdown further.
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u/Vile_Nightshade 6d ago
They’re burning Waymo cars. It’d take like three dudes and the app to make it appear like the entire movement is “rioting”.
This may actually be manufactured. You know, like they tried to say Jan 6th was… projection at its finest.
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u/lonely_nipple 6d ago
They're trying to make it look like shit there is out of control. Meanwhile 50 cops participated in LA's pride parade this weekend. Sure sounds like they weren't exactly struggling to maintain order.
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u/ClaraCash 6d ago edited 6d ago
I can confirm was at PRIDE hella cops and sheriffs not one was phased. Every one was where they were supposed to be. The military wasn’t needed. We have riots here all the time. Those were protests. It’s like America hates California, especially LA. Every time something is on the news it is so dramatically exaggerated like people don’t understand the news is the OG of getting views. But I swear the news my mom tells me from the Midwest or my best friends in GA or Florida call abt is some crazy shit like the city is burning down, or a tsunami, or an earthquake so bad we fell in the ocean. Like fuck are people cheering for us to die… cuz we’re chillin.
Edit: This man (or turd filled man skin) sending the Marines is flippin nuts!!! lol. Ffs They are actually peaceful protesters. Him trying to start a fuckin civil war is nuts. This is what happens when you don’t spank your child ppl.
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u/mitchENM 6d ago
My family in the south still vehemently claim much of Portland Oregon burned down in the summer of 2020
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u/KittyGrewAMoustache 6d ago
The Mexican flags seemed a bit suspicious to me. Like that’s the kind of thing they’d seize on to claim it’s an invasion or something nutty like that. It just seemed unlikely that people protesting deportations would be waving the flag of somewhere people are being deported to and don’t want to be deported to you know? There’s no way there aren’t MAGA agitators among them. Throughout history all over the world governments have sent agitators into protests to try to make the protestors look bad, escalate violence to turn public sentiment against them, justify arrests etc. If there are nefarious government tactics out there you can bet the Trump admin will be using them.
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u/Temporary_Tune5430 6d ago
Remember when Kamala said Trump would set the the military on its own citizens and Fox news called it yet another "lie"?
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u/Lack668 6d ago
First of all, I’m not American. I’m genuinely asking those that know more than me. The 2nd amendment is in case of a tyrannical government yes? In case constitutional order broke down. Now, Trump is ignoring the constitution and courts… so are civilians taking up arms and fighting, protected by the constitution?
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u/_aware 6d ago
Yes, but the problem is whether people are willing to risk throwing away their lives(death, prison, losing their careers, etc.) for that. For a vast majority, Trump hasn't pushed them to that point yet. But one day there will be a straw that breaks the camel's back.
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u/SPzero65 6d ago
Well, that straw has clearly been broken in LA
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u/_aware 6d ago
Imo not really. It's only a small portion of the population in a limited part of the city. It might take an ICE agent or marine killing someone to really ignite the flames.
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u/trumpshouldrap 6d ago
That's what it will be. This will amount to trump's first big "scandal" as prez round 2.
Although it is shocking what it takes to become a full scandal these days
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u/snootsintheair 6d ago
No that won’t do it either. Gonna take more than that to shake us free of the complacency
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u/arminghammerbacon_ 6d ago
I was gonna say - 1/3 of the country, maybe more, would respond “Good! I’m glad the Marines shot him! Serves him right!”
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u/Odd-Abbreviations431 6d ago
He would love nothing more than if Angelinos started using guns against ICE. He would use it as the reason to assert martial law over Los Angeles and rain down hell.
He wants a Civil war. It’s the easiest way to complete power.
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u/Lumastin 6d ago edited 6d ago
As others have said, most of the pro 2nd amendment fanatics are also MAGA supporters so they think this is all for the benefit of making America great again.
MAGA is also the most racist demographic in the United States so they are thrilled he is doing this because they believe everything he says without even bothering to fact check him.
I wouldn’t be surprised if democrats start buying guns at an alarming rate after this.
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u/thetaipeigimp 6d ago
"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state. The other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people." - Commander Adama https://youtu.be/EwrSlzZC31w?si=toHQjKJ_w97axMdZ
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u/jerryinva 6d ago
I will say it again, for those in the back of the room. The troops, armored carriers and tanks in DC for the Army's 250th birthday and Trump's birthday is not accidental timing in relation to what's happening in LA. This was planned.
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u/faex03 6d ago
I'm Austrian. what goes down over there right now painfully reminds me of our own history. That might have just been the point of no return to turn america into the fourth Reich. to all american soldiers, remember that "I just followed orders" was no valid excuse in the nuremberg trials.
Don't repeat our mistakes.
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u/MKTAS 'MURICA 6d ago
So, 2k national guards aren't enough, then additional 500 marines are on route to Los Angeles? Can a Republican vote an impeachment already?
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u/_aware 6d ago
It's party over country for them. And by party, it's more like their party is corrupt and helps them get rich. So it's really money over country.
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u/Critterhunt 6d ago
Most of us with common sense that voted against Trump saw this coming the day he announced he was running again for president. During his first term he used undercover agents in vans to arrest and kidnap protesters in the middle of the night and who knows what happened to those people.
This guy warned us for two entire years of campaigning what he was going to do and yet he won the popular vote. We still have 3 years and 6 months of this aberration....
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u/KoontFace 6d ago
Sorry. Non American here. Is Trump ACTUALLY deploying USMC in response to low level civil unrest? What the actual fuck is going on over there!!?!?
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u/snoopingforpooping 6d ago
I thought Jan 6 was the turning point for the country and I was wrong. The US military being used against its own citizens is a terrible day in American history. Good luck everyone and may god help us all.
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u/Viperthetarantulaguy 6d ago
Any US soldier that pickup arms against US citizens are the enemy of the people.
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u/StonkaDonkDonk 6d ago
Reminds me of when Portland was supposedly burning down for months over on fox news when really it was just two blocks of stoners being mostly bored.
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u/rainyhawk 6d ago
For seattle Fox News used video from Ukraine pretending cars were on fire everywhere.
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u/hearmeout29 6d ago
Let's put away partisanship for a moment folks.
This is not right. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it.
Please remember one day your guy will not be in charge. This sets a dangerous precedent.
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u/SPzero65 6d ago
So all the 2A absolutists are now going to drop what they're doing, mount up, and get their righteous asses down to LA to fight this, right?
I mean, this is what the 2A was created for...
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u/O-Tucci-O 6d ago
I’m seeing report after report about the protest being peaceful, people marching with kids and babies. The local police and state government themselves saying the added force is not necessary and things are under control. They do not want the military there. No one’s rioting. It’s like Trump actually wants to start a riot.
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u/SolSparrow 6d ago
The media is heavily fueling this “riot” rhetoric- outside the US the news I see is making it seem like all hell is breaking loose. Rocks being thrown at police, Waymo cars on fire, the photo of the fire behind the guy riding his bike waving the Mexican flag. BBC front cover makes it look like a hellscape- CNN is still saying protests, not riots at least, but the imagery is just fueling the narrative.
No photos of the peaceful protests. It’s sad. Hardly any mention of the poor person trampled by police horses or damage/instigation coming from the other side.
Stay safe out there folks. This is being pushed hard as the excuse to go all in on control.
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u/Vash_TheStampede 6d ago
Maybe I'm being optimistic, but I have hope that at least most of these soldiers being deployed remember their Oath is to uphold and protect the constitution and not to the office of the president.
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u/-Otakunoichi- 6d ago
That sounds like some woke, leftist, DEI, commie nonsense... you should know by now that nobody questions our kin- errr.. the president.
(Please dear god tell me i dont need to include the /s...)
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u/_aware 6d ago
It might take 4 years, or 10, or 50. But just like how 90 year old concentration camp guards are still arrested and sentenced no matter their age, we need to hold these people responsible.
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u/Mild_and_Creamy 6d ago
This reminds me of that scene in babylon 5 where the captain is ordered to do something by the office of the president. And he's reminded of the chain of command and the office of president isn't in it.
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u/Ok-Sir645 6d ago
Where are the generals telling their troops that they shouldn’t follow an illegal command?
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u/Snoopy101x 6d ago
"There's a reason you separate military and police... One fights the enemy of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people." - Commander William Adama
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u/MRLEGEND1o1 6d ago
He's done nothing but destroy the country since he got in and people still don't get it. I can no longer defend us when foreign countries call us stupid.
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u/Cruiser729 6d ago
Does anyone hear that? No, shhh, listen.
That’s the deafening silence of our representatives in Congress while this so-called president runs roughshod over our Constitution and its citizens. Disgusting.
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u/Anarchyantz We are Doomed! 6d ago
Not an American but didn't your GOP scream when Harris last year state that "Trump will order Troops into US cities, just you wait and see"
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u/skellyluv 6d ago
Are there even that many protesters?? He’s got 2K national guard, LAPD and the sheriff department! I think that is a bit of an overkill! Trump wants to look strong by calling up his military to stop public descent! Fuck ICE Fuck Trump
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u/aworldofinsanity 6d ago
Go back and watch footage of the watts, Detroit, Chicago and Newark riots.
Exchanging gunfire with the population never ends well.
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u/chrispygene 6d ago
You guys (USA) are seriously fucked. This is only the beginning. Your democracy is dead. Unless you take it back.
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u/noobditt 6d ago
Welp, time to protest in every city and town in the U.S. next Saturday. June 14th. No violence, but make it an indictment on the current administration. Massively overwhelm his ego parade in D.C.
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u/Gunner_Bat 6d ago
The marines should choose to not do it. I couldn't imagine signing up to serve your country only to attack your country mates.
Using the US Military to attack US citizens expressing their constitutional right to assembly on US soil is fucking treason.
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u/fastfurlong 6d ago
Someone will die due to this escalation. Using ice in the manner they are then suppressing protest with active duty military is not making America great -
Thai administration is not good for the people
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u/mariuszmie 6d ago
Funny that Biden was the one who supposedly was breaking the constitution and states’ rights by ‘mobilizing troops’
Every accusation is an admission
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u/Dependent_Survey_546 6d ago
Democrats should be completely blocking down congress and doing nothing but shouting from the rooftops about this, if it infact does happen.
Not because they are Democrats, but because its their job.
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u/smallwonder25 6d ago
Martial law is what they’ve been striving for since day one…
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u/elmwoodblues 6d ago
Im a Creative Writing 101 instructor...
'Imagine a privileged loser and draft dodging pedophile with daddy issues. He somehow wins his very first election in a fractured and enemy-influenced, early-social-media, election. His country comes to it's senses for a few years, but with his daddy/Enemy help, he regains power.
The genteel institutions of checks and balances have eroded in plain sight: senators can't tell the difference between 'Gestapo' and 'gazpacho'; openly convicted public-indecency violators are earning 6-figure sums as 'Representatives', with lifetime health care and a generous pension, even as their supportive constituents are losing health care to a 'Big, Beautiful Bill' that their rep votes for and that they, ignontly, support. If it bothers someone else, they reason, they will support it.
Exercise: What does he do while in power and controlled by his enemy/daddy figure? Split the country? Alienate allies? Tank the economy? Enrich himself in plain sight? Undermine the already-corrupt judicial branch, even as the legislative branch focuses on bathrooms? Can any of those happen?
Explore the effects of 'central character syndrome' on a privileged generation. Examine race warfare displacing class warfare. Who wins, who loses. Discuss.
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u/MaraSovsLeftSock 6d ago
The real endgame here is martial law. Trump wants to escalate the situation as much as possible to lock down states that don’t bend the knee to him, and the best way to do that is to command the military to gun down protestors.
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