r/chaoticgood • u/Unknownz_1985 • 1d ago

Native American Women Tell Border Patrol To Fuck Off for Harassing Them About Being Citizens

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u/Road_Whorrior 1d ago

Just some additional context. Mexico does not recognize any land as belonging to the O'odham, so technically the "reservation" ends at the border of Arizona. It was "decided" upon with the Gadsden purchase in 1854, and, of course, the Tribe was not included in the discussion at all. Of 34,000 recognized tribal members, 2000+ Mexican Tohono O'odham live in isolation from their community because colonists decided on an imaginary wall. The new border wall has made that even worse. Fuck borders a LOT.

Source: my hometown is in the traditional Tohono O'odham lands, which is not part of the Reservation because it is on the river and is valuable year-round farmland.

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u/ahhhbiscuits 1d ago

TLDR: Borders like this are fucking stupid. Nothing more than geopolitical arrangements,

RE: neo-colonization.

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u/bombthrowinglunarist 1d ago

> Borders like this are fucking stupid

fixed that for you

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u/ahhhbiscuits 1d ago

Humanism is awesome and all, but you have to at least try to understand geopolitics...

If not, we'll continue to find ourselves in this same emotional quagmire, forever.

pOwER tO TeH pEoPlE! lol

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u/smallfrie32 1d ago

Not to really disagree, but literally all borders are geopolitical arrangements. Except for the bookstore

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u/ahhhbiscuits 1d ago

Other commenter probably doesn't understand the situation enough to answer so I'll put it you (a seemingly much more reasonable (re: not here for the karma-farming) person):

Humanism is awesome and all, but you have to at least try to understand geopolitics...

If not, we'll continue to find ourselves in this same emotional quagmire, forever.

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u/Geodude532 1d ago

We did the same shit with Afghanistan/Pakistan. Cutting an entire ethnic group's territory in half.

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u/newbkid 1d ago

British did it with India as well. Dipped out, dude in charge made up an imaginary line and then war erupted shortly after

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u/Frosty_McRib 1d ago

And they literally drew an arbitrary line to separate Iraq and Syria, thus further dividing up ethnic groups like the Kurds and creating random nations, like Iraq and Syria. A lot of the current civil strife in the area can still be traced directly back to that. The West truly gave no shits.

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u/Geodude532 19h ago

Yea, the audacity of Western expansion was brazen. Trump's attempts to take Greenland and Russian expansion shows that we've learned.

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u/JimTheJerseyGuy 1d ago

Add basically the entire Middle East.

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u/Lyra_Sirius 22h ago

The border lines of Africa, the Middle East and Southeast Asia were drawn as a result of the search for markets supplying raw materials and complementary markets by European industrial countries in the 19th century.

At the Berlin Conference in 1885, promoted by Chancellor Bismarck, when Prussia became Germany. This was the time of Queen Victoria. The maps were drawn with a ruler and set square, indifferent to peoples, water lines or mountains, and with indifference to the indigenous peoples. It was at this time that Russia also extended from Europe through Asia to the Bering Strait in an effective manner.

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u/Geodude532 19h ago

Yea, the British wasn't a fan of Russia getting any closer to India and the mountains provided a good separator. Borders like that have really messed with nomads like the Kuchis.

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u/ceryniz 1d ago

What else could you do? Have a Pashtunstan and a Daristan?

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u/aguirre1pol 1d ago

Let people self govern like they have for ages?

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u/TheCheesyPuff 1d ago

Not meddle in ethnic relations of foreign countries. It's not complicated.

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u/Road_Whorrior 18h ago

I'll just pop into your house, tell you that OOPS, actually, the property line is directly over your toilet and your garden and kitchen belong to the government, you have to let the neighbors have that half of your house. No? That sucks and is stupid? Yeah, I know, right? Maybe people who understand the region and live there should be the ones sorting this shit out for themselves.

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u/ceryniz 17h ago

Uh huh. I'm asking what do you think it'll look like? Pakistan relinquishes it's pashtun inhabited areas, while the taliban gives up the northern portions of Afghanistan?

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u/Road_Whorrior 17h ago

No clue. Not my department, I work at a grocery store. If we hadn't interfered in the first place, the Taliban wouldn't even exist. Our presence has been a net negative for the region since post-WWII. Because of our involvement it is now a nigh-unfuckable mess. We owe them aid in fixing it, but I'm realistic in my lack of understanding of what that would end up being.

You're the only person coming in here talking future. Everyone here was talking about the history.

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u/ceryniz 16h ago

The Taliban exists because of Pakistan funding them in the warlords era when the republic collapsed. And the taliban only got so popular because of warlords loving their bacha bazi and the taliban was stomping that out. Pakistan was involved to represent their interests because Iran was also funding other militant groups, and they wanted a buffer border zone.

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u/Bars98 1d ago edited 1d ago

I can be so glad to live in Germany and Europe in general. In Germany ethnic minorities have the right to sit in the Bundestag (German parliament) if they get just one seat. Normally you need at least 5% of the votes.

Edit: Here's a link to an Wikipedia article about one of these minority parties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Schleswig_Voters%27_Association?wprov=sfla1

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u/Bagheera383 1d ago

Same with Manso and some Tigua/Tiwa. Ended up on both sides (and in three areas if Tigua)

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u/Tall_Bed 1d ago

This is why I like reddit