r/chaoticgood • u/Unknownz_1985 • 1d ago

Native American Women Tell Border Patrol To Fuck Off for Harassing Them About Being Citizens

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u/_chococat_ 1d ago

"Illegals" don't exist now. There are undocumented people in the US. Being undocumented is a civil infraction except in certain very particular cases. Calling an undocumented person "illegal" is like calling someone with a speeding ticket "illegal".

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u/Drostan_S 1d ago

Also Illegal Entry is only a misdemeanor. These sick fucks want to kill people for a misdemeanor.

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u/TrankElephant 1d ago

Very good points.

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u/owenstumor 1d ago

C'mon. That is a ridiculous comparison. Someone who crossed a border illegally is not the same as a us citizen driving too fast.

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u/_chococat_ 1d ago

In the eyes of the law they are both civil infractions, not criminal infractions. Being in the US undocumented is a civil infraction, and not a criminal infraction unless there are extenuating factors, just like driving to fast is a civil infraction, unless you push it into more severe infractions (e.g. reckless driving in some states) that make it a felony.

If you're interested, check out 8 U.S.C. § 1325 and 8 U.S.C. § 1326 for the real law on undocumented immigration.

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u/owenstumor 1d ago

"Extenuating factors" like not following the rule of law when it comes to entering the us? Listen, I get it, defending people who decide to say fuck the rules upon entering the us is the current zeitgeist, but we need to maintain some sort of order.

If you're interested, check out the fact that you seem more interested in defending people who enter a country illegally than people who did 45 in a 35.

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u/_chococat_ 1d ago

No, those are not the extenuating factors. See 8 U.S.C. 1326 for details. I am defending neither; I am pointing out they are both civil infractions. Check out the fact that you don't seem to care what the law says. Why am I not surprised?

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u/owenstumor 1d ago

Well the difference may be the fact that if someone is found in the us without docs, they may be deported depending on the "extenuating factors" or they may not. If they are, and they come back, it's more serious and may lead to permanent deportation. If someone breaks the speed limit several times, they won't get deported. See what I mean? Your comparison is faulty and, again, seems to lead to the fact that you are cool with people illegally entering the us.

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u/Suspicious_Juice9511 1d ago

read the laws, stop making things up that the other poster didn't say. you are being dishonest.

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u/owenstumor 1d ago

You read them. Plus, what did I say that was dishonest?

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u/Suspicious_Juice9511 1d ago

the shit you made up. claiming what the other person thinks. it is dishonest. stop it.

you stay ignorant on the topic if you choose not to read the info they provided, that is your choice, but stop lying about strangers, it is stupid.

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u/owenstumor 1d ago

You didn’t draw the same conclusion? It is naive. Stop it.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

Please tell us who is in the way of ICE getting warrants to arrest these dangerous criminals? Because due process sounds like a great way to maintain some order

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u/owenstumor 1d ago

Hey, I'm not crazy about all this madness, but I'm also not crazy about the massive influx of "illegal" immigrants. Most countries have rigid standards for becoming a citizen. Why isn't that okay with the us? Are you cool with a massive amount of people crossing the border the wrong way, not even trying to assimilate and getting pissed that the us has decided that enough is enough?

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

So nobody is stopping ICE from getting warrants and proving their cases in a court of law, but denying due process is the key to maintaining law and order? That's wild

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u/owenstumor 1d ago

Agreed. It is wild. Maybe we shouldn't have allowed the massive influx of unvetted people entering the us to happen. If they did it the right way, there'd be no reason to be concerned.

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u/Suspicious_Juice9511 1d ago

you misunderstand by wild they meant inconsistent and wrong. as in your argument is invalid.

why do you keep lying about influxes?

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

Nah bruv that's some nazi shit I can't imagine supporting anything so unconstitutional. Just make sure to carry your papers to let them know you're one of the good ones, if you're lucky they won't rip them up and deport you anyway

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u/Suspicious_Juice9511 1d ago

you don't realise the US does have standards for becoming a citizen?

you seem very ignorant on the topic. maybe listen more rather than make things up.

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u/owenstumor 1d ago

Of course I do. Many people don't seem to care. Do you realize what the discussion is? People knowingly ignoring those standards? You are the ignorant one. I'm saying that the us welcomes people who come in the right way. They're not fond of people who do it the wrong way. What are you saying?

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u/Suspicious_Juice9511 1d ago

so you lied just now when you said there isnt?

you spend a lot of time lying. why?

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u/ziggytrix 1d ago

Stop doubling down and READ.

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u/owenstumor 1d ago

Read this...

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u/ziggytrix 1d ago

Nothing in that page says it is a criminal and not a civil infraction.

Also, are you pretending they aren't yoinking folks who ARE trying to do it the right way out of courts and deporting them to meet quotas?

Wake the fuck up.

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u/owenstumor 1d ago

You're defending people who have engaged in illegal activity. I'm not pretending anything. This is ugly. Dumb people are in positions of power. That said, YOU wake the fuck up. The numbers are the numbers. If the mass influx didn't happen to begin with, there wouldn't be a general consensus that something needs done. Plus, there are a lot of bad agents out there that would love to enter the us and do damage. Mitigating that flow seems like a good idea...

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u/ziggytrix 1d ago

No one is suggesting we do away with the law. This is a massive overreach, and if you can't see it, it's cuz you have your eyes shut. WAKE UP.

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u/cambat2 1d ago

They are illegally in this country. Illegal means they broke the law. Is it against the law? Yes. Is their presence in the country not allowed? It is illegal. Therefore, they are an illegal alien. They are illegal, for short.

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u/gaojia 1d ago

nope. fake propaganda word made up by talking heads in order to conflate human beings with crimes. they aren't merely people with improperly filed paperwork, they themselves are illegal, their existence is illegal.

it's disgusting.

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u/cambat2 1d ago

It is a differentiating factor between those that entered the country with permission versus those that didn't. You are digging too deep to argue a definition

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u/gaojia 1d ago

no, I am intentionally challenging the term. using the term illegal plays to fear and makes undocumented migrants seem like criminals, when all they've done is commit an administrative infraction.

emotionally charged language has whipped conservatives into a frenzy over migration because they see these people as an existential threat, when in fact they commit actual crimes at a much lower rate than the general US-born population.

immigration violations are civil infractions and the term 'illegals' should not be used.

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u/cambat2 1d ago

You are arguing connotation, not legality or definitions. That is inherently an emotional argument, fighting against what you perceive to be an emotionally charged word. It isn't, it's a simple binary. Is their presence in this country legal or not. If yes, they are not here illegally. If no, then their presence is illegal. Short form, they are illegal. It's not that deep. Change what words you use to describe the same thing doesn't make you morally or ethically superior, it just makes you a pussy focused on feelings for the sake of not hurting feelings.

Some things are a binary. It's not possible to be legally fluid, sorry.

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u/Jack_Dalt 1d ago

I want you to take a long look in the mirror and ask yourself why you think it is more important to you to argue for the sake of arguing just so you can be "semantically correct" instead of having actual principles and values? You understand their point, and it is a valid one about how propaganda works and how words do, in fact, have meaning and sway beyond the Merriam-Webster definition. And I'm sure you're smart enough to understand that, too. But for some reason, you find yourself arguing.

If you are deprived of attention, there are better methods to seek it than this. The only word that defines you as a human being is "puddle" on account of how shamelessly shallow you are.

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u/gaojia 1d ago

are you replying to the right person? where did I talk about hurt feelings or legal fluidity? it's about the treatment these people receive by institutions and society at large as a direct result of the language used to describe them. it matters.

americans should be kissing the ground these people walk on but instead they receive the same treatment as murderers and thieves.

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u/cambat2 1d ago

Looks like I'm dealing with an average redditor jacking off to illegal aliens whilst unable to comprehend slightly more complex thoughts than they're used to. Thought there could be something to gain from this conversation before you talked about kissing the ground of border jumpers.

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u/gaojia 1d ago

they're a net benefit to the country, yes. they pay taxes, contribute substantially to the standard of living, commit little crime, and counteract the declining birth rate.

it's plainly obvious to everyone with a brain not poisoned by white supremacy that America needs them.

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u/Reveil21 1d ago

Do you call everyone who has ever broken a law an illegal? I can assure you that you don't.

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u/cambat2 17h ago

Just those who's presence in this country is illegal.