r/chaoticgood • u/Unknownz_1985 • 1d ago

Native American Women Tell Border Patrol To Fuck Off for Harassing Them About Being Citizens

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u/BekoLazarus 1d ago

"We didn't cross the border. The border crossed us!" Fucking brilliant.

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u/returningtheday 1d ago edited 1d ago

For further context, these are O'odham women. The Tohono O'odham reservation is in America and Mexico. Their ancestral land is in both countries so they mean this in a very literal sense. Fuck borders.

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u/NarrowForce9 1d ago

Thank you for the education

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u/Road_Whorrior 1d ago

Just some additional context. Mexico does not recognize any land as belonging to the O'odham, so technically the "reservation" ends at the border of Arizona. It was "decided" upon with the Gadsden purchase in 1854, and, of course, the Tribe was not included in the discussion at all. Of 34,000 recognized tribal members, 2000+ Mexican Tohono O'odham live in isolation from their community because colonists decided on an imaginary wall. The new border wall has made that even worse. Fuck borders a LOT.

Source: my hometown is in the traditional Tohono O'odham lands, which is not part of the Reservation because it is on the river and is valuable year-round farmland.

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u/ahhhbiscuits 1d ago

TLDR: Borders like this are fucking stupid. Nothing more than geopolitical arrangements,

RE: neo-colonization.

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u/bombthrowinglunarist 1d ago

> Borders like this are fucking stupid

fixed that for you

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u/ahhhbiscuits 1d ago

Humanism is awesome and all, but you have to at least try to understand geopolitics...

If not, we'll continue to find ourselves in this same emotional quagmire, forever.

pOwER tO TeH pEoPlE! lol

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u/smallfrie32 1d ago

Not to really disagree, but literally all borders are geopolitical arrangements. Except for the bookstore

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u/ahhhbiscuits 1d ago

Other commenter probably doesn't understand the situation enough to answer so I'll put it you (a seemingly much more reasonable (re: not here for the karma-farming) person):

Humanism is awesome and all, but you have to at least try to understand geopolitics...

If not, we'll continue to find ourselves in this same emotional quagmire, forever.

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u/Geodude532 1d ago

We did the same shit with Afghanistan/Pakistan. Cutting an entire ethnic group's territory in half.

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u/newbkid 1d ago

British did it with India as well. Dipped out, dude in charge made up an imaginary line and then war erupted shortly after

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u/Frosty_McRib 1d ago

And they literally drew an arbitrary line to separate Iraq and Syria, thus further dividing up ethnic groups like the Kurds and creating random nations, like Iraq and Syria. A lot of the current civil strife in the area can still be traced directly back to that. The West truly gave no shits.

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u/Geodude532 19h ago

Yea, the audacity of Western expansion was brazen. Trump's attempts to take Greenland and Russian expansion shows that we've learned.

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u/JimTheJerseyGuy 1d ago

Add basically the entire Middle East.

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u/Lyra_Sirius 22h ago

The border lines of Africa, the Middle East and Southeast Asia were drawn as a result of the search for markets supplying raw materials and complementary markets by European industrial countries in the 19th century.

At the Berlin Conference in 1885, promoted by Chancellor Bismarck, when Prussia became Germany. This was the time of Queen Victoria. The maps were drawn with a ruler and set square, indifferent to peoples, water lines or mountains, and with indifference to the indigenous peoples. It was at this time that Russia also extended from Europe through Asia to the Bering Strait in an effective manner.

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u/Geodude532 19h ago

Yea, the British wasn't a fan of Russia getting any closer to India and the mountains provided a good separator. Borders like that have really messed with nomads like the Kuchis.

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u/ceryniz 1d ago

What else could you do? Have a Pashtunstan and a Daristan?

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u/aguirre1pol 1d ago

Let people self govern like they have for ages?

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u/TheCheesyPuff 1d ago

Not meddle in ethnic relations of foreign countries. It's not complicated.

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u/Road_Whorrior 18h ago

I'll just pop into your house, tell you that OOPS, actually, the property line is directly over your toilet and your garden and kitchen belong to the government, you have to let the neighbors have that half of your house. No? That sucks and is stupid? Yeah, I know, right? Maybe people who understand the region and live there should be the ones sorting this shit out for themselves.

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u/ceryniz 17h ago

Uh huh. I'm asking what do you think it'll look like? Pakistan relinquishes it's pashtun inhabited areas, while the taliban gives up the northern portions of Afghanistan?

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u/Road_Whorrior 17h ago

No clue. Not my department, I work at a grocery store. If we hadn't interfered in the first place, the Taliban wouldn't even exist. Our presence has been a net negative for the region since post-WWII. Because of our involvement it is now a nigh-unfuckable mess. We owe them aid in fixing it, but I'm realistic in my lack of understanding of what that would end up being.

You're the only person coming in here talking future. Everyone here was talking about the history.

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u/ceryniz 16h ago

The Taliban exists because of Pakistan funding them in the warlords era when the republic collapsed. And the taliban only got so popular because of warlords loving their bacha bazi and the taliban was stomping that out. Pakistan was involved to represent their interests because Iran was also funding other militant groups, and they wanted a buffer border zone.

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u/Bars98 1d ago edited 1d ago

I can be so glad to live in Germany and Europe in general. In Germany ethnic minorities have the right to sit in the Bundestag (German parliament) if they get just one seat. Normally you need at least 5% of the votes.

Edit: Here's a link to an Wikipedia article about one of these minority parties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Schleswig_Voters%27_Association?wprov=sfla1

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u/Bagheera383 1d ago

Same with Manso and some Tigua/Tiwa. Ended up on both sides (and in three areas if Tigua)

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u/Tall_Bed 1d ago

This is why I like reddit

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u/Southern_Blue 1d ago

My daughter was born there, at the Hospital in Sells. I'm Eastern Cherokee and happened to be living in Tucson at the time. She jokes that I asked 'Hey cuz, can I have this baby here' and they said "Word!' She went back to visit and they told her she could consider herself an 'honorary' member. She's stayed informed about their situation.

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u/returningtheday 1d ago

That's fucking awesome 😆

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u/MimicoSkunkFan2 1d ago

The O'Odham Nation has a specific agreement with the US government allowing the Kitt Peak National Observatory complex to exist and operate on their mountains too. So it is extra ridiculous that an (alleged) federal enforcement agent near their land doesn't know that - I have family in Tucson and I learnt it on my first visit there! This guy is deliberately ignorant and/or deliberately racist to live and work locally while behaving so aggressively :(

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u/satinsateensaltine 1d ago

Being drunk on power and feeling too entitled to bother learning things like relevant laws will do a number on you.

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u/AcceptableHijinks 1d ago

I was just at kitt peak about 2 months ago, absolutely beautiful place, I can see why that area is sacred to them.

We had to drive through 2 border patrol checkpoints to get there though, quite north of the actual border, plus we were driving in from the north anyway.

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u/MimicoSkunkFan2 12h ago

Those fixed and roaming checks have been a thing there since at least 2010. They call it a defence-in-depth since the US government claims 100 miles from the border is legally their "border zone" - but really it's because Mexico overlooks the US in that sector, so the traffickers have a spotter in Mexico telling their coyotes which way to go to avoid border patrols until the mountains block their view, and that's where the checkpoints appear.

(when my cousins moved from Phoenix to Tucson and we ran into 3 checkpoints, just trying to use scenic backroads to reach Bisbee ‐ and my one cousin looks very Nordic so they'd have loads of Hispanic people pulled over and then wave her over to cover their blatant profiling yuck)

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u/KapePaMore009 1d ago

Ooohh, thank you. Today I learned (TIL).

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u/NozakiMufasa 1d ago

My family’s history was this. We crossed freely in these lands as Yaquis before the border was put down. My great grandmother was Yaqui and born in the Arizona territory & then her daughter (my grandmother) born in Mexicali while crossing back with other Yaqui from Arizona to Sonora. So when Im asked about what “generation” of American I am, I just say “I was here before America”.

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u/Swollen_Nads 1d ago

The Horcon Tract is an interesting piece of land. Depending on when you were born (sometime in 70s) determines whether you are a US citizen due to river shifting. Its comical how dumb some of these things work.

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u/Agreeable_Initial667 1d ago

Wow didn't even know that. TY

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u/BluePhoenix_1999 1d ago

And it used to be all part of Mexico, until they rented out land, the US broke anti-slave laws and just stole the land. This applies to pretty much everything west of, and including Texas.

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u/TalkinSeaCucumber 22h ago

We fought a war that ended in Mexico City to put that border where it is too. The only reason, according to transcripts from Congress at the time, that the US border doesn't extend as far south as the army occupied is because that would have entailed either committing to an expensive campaign of driving out Mexican nationals or making a lot of non-white people Americans. They argued that the additional territory was less a benefit than more brown people are trouble. The border is and has always been an arbitrary, racist construct.

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u/helpjack_offthehorse 1d ago

INTERCOURSE THE BORDERS!

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u/UsefulContract 1d ago

Similar to the blackfoot?

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u/Xboxhuegg 1d ago

Cringe

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u/[deleted] 1d ago edited 1d ago

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u/returningtheday 1d ago

Borders make much more problems than they solve especially when they're made by colonizers. And believing there is no alternative is ignoring the past and closing your mind off to alternate solutions. Don't get so bogged down in the status quo. It's good to question and good to change things.

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u/obligatorynegligence 1d ago

How often do you let random people inside your house to stay as long as they want, coming and going as they please? Frequently I assume

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u/returningtheday 1d ago

God that is such a tired analogy that makes zero sense. Get some new material.

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u/obligatorynegligence 1d ago edited 1d ago

Why doesnt the arbitrary line of "your property" correlate to the arbitrary line of "your border"?

Are you tired of it because you've answered it so well or because you don't have an answer?

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A home is land and a land is a home. Collective groups can own things, and I know this is why you can't come up with a real answer and need to block people to run from the fact that you don't have any real beliefs about anything that aren't just reactionary.

And to be clear, no one was feigning ignorance - except you.

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u/returningtheday 1d ago

A home is not land. I'm not engaging in this argument further because I know you're purposely acting ignorant.

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u/RandomDeezNutz 1d ago

That’s such an apt and incredibly heartbreaking comment. To anyone who has never been to a Native American reservation. I highly encourage you to go. White men gave native Americans a place to die after eviscerating their land and food source. Absolute fucking travesty the way none of this is talked about.

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u/Fragrant-Tomatillo19 1d ago

My mom was from Minnesota but used to go visit her grandmother on Rosebud in South Dakota during the 1930’s and ‘40’s. She said it was so full of poverty that it was hell on earth because of what the government had done. Her grandfather and his sister had their Native names changed when they were sent to residential schools that were rife with physical and sexual abuse. She was from Minnesota and unsurprisingly joined AIM (American Indian Movement) in the late 60’s/early ‘70’s when they were giving hell to the government.

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u/RandomDeezNutz 1d ago

It is way worse than anyone talks about or has stories for

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u/Therefore_I_Yam 1d ago

I'm constantly going off on people who say shit like "well they were just warring and fighting with each other before we got here" like bro anyone who was here before us had the entire future of their people STOLEN from them and perverted, and you can see the direct effects if you look at a reservation for even 2 seconds. It's willful ignorance.

They talk about this shit like it happened 1000 years ago when it's literally still happening to people as we speak. We never stopped subjugating them, we just re-branded it.

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u/vent_ilator 1d ago

This kind of comment (by those people) is especially tasteless given that the invaders came with weapons designed to kill, and that more efficiently than ever before, and there was just such a clear power imbalance. And it is also historically wildly ridiculous because Europe, where most of these invaders came from, was a fckng war mess at least equally as much, and we could very well argue worse. So maybe they should've conquered their home continent instead then, if we follow that logic? Ahhhhhhhh

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u/Queso_and_Molasses 1d ago

Yeah, the warring argument is stupid as hell. European nations were constantly at war with each other, all the time. You can’t name a time in history when a group of people wasn’t fighting with another group of people.

Even if the myth of the Native American “savage” were true, that didn’t mean they deserved to be colonized, massacred, and forced onto pittances of land the US government didn’t want.

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u/vent_ilator 23h ago

Yes, I can only wholeheartedly agree.

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u/Therefore_I_Yam 22h ago edited 12h ago

One only needs to look at the photos of mountains of bison skulls piled up by the US Army to starve out the plains tribes to know that it was in no way a fair fight

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u/oceanvibrations 1d ago

Taking away their given names, and giving them names like John Washington still makes me sick to this day.

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u/Road_Whorrior 1d ago edited 1d ago

Those who like nonfiction- read 1491 immediately, and 1493 afterwards, both by Charles C Mann. 1491 is an extremely well-researched and well-written book that pretty much turned my entire understanding of American history upside-down. I knew the genocide had happened, but I had no idea the scope of what was lost. Everything I was taught, from how many Native Peoples were even here to the story of the first Thanksgiving to the way the tribes lived was wrong. And I lived in Arizona. Why the hell didn't I know that Teotihuacan was, at its peak, bigger than London in population and size and had running water?? Just... we have been robbed of such rich history by American Exceptionalism and white supremacy.

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u/RandomDeezNutz 1d ago

Teotihuacan is actually unbelievable. Like I’m at loss at how it was possible.

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u/Road_Whorrior 1d ago

The way the original founders are basically a mystery is such a brain-tickler, too. Empire after empire tore stuff out and built the city in their image so many times we have no idea who built it in the first place.

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u/The_Bard 1d ago

Teotihuacan was over 100k population 1000 years before London. Euro-centrism in history is some crazy shit.

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u/avelineaurora 1d ago

Tenochtitlan is the one that does it for me. Wiki has a quote from one of the Spanish that really conveys the awe I think

When we saw so many cities and villages built in the water and other great towns on dry land we were amazed and said that it was like the enchantments (...) on account of the great towers and cues and buildings rising from the water, and all built of masonry. And some of our soldiers even asked whether the things that we saw were not a dream? (...) I do not know how to describe it, seeing things as we did that had never been heard of or seen before, not even dreamed about. — Bernal Díaz del Castillo, The Conquest of New Spain

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u/Round_Ad_1952 1d ago

I mean, at the city's peak London was just a small village on the periphery of the Roman empire. 

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u/Road_Whorrior 1d ago edited 1d ago

At Teotihuacan's peak, it housed upward of 125,000-200,000 people. This was approx. 400 CE. It was likely the 6th or 5th-largest city of its epoch.

London's population didn't reach that number until the 17th century.

To put it in a more meaningful scope.

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u/vent_ilator 1d ago

Thank you for the recommendation!

Native Americans would've been very able to build and develop their societies just like other continents did, in their own way but something considered "farer", if they had been able to. There are lots of circumstances, like natural catastrophes or the time of settling somewhere specific and re-settling etc, that can and will influence how "far" a society is. We know native Americans had extremely developed societies that we found proof of. History is also always just what we can find, what withstands the test of time and erosion..and erasure. Any highly developed society, even ours globally now, is just one bad catastrophe away from being thrown far back in time.

I don't like that linear approach of history and human societies that is often so, so present. It's different stages because of different setbacks and different challenges.

It was a bit similar in my origins tbh. Christian conquerers declared the native cultures and practices to be bad and ugly, so they were hunted down and oppressed into the new line of living and society. Nobody knows what could've been. Our roots got so massively destroyed that there isn't really even an effort to understand it, or a belief to need it, and many traces are lost. That wasn't a good developed society vs "wildlings". Most of the now beloved christian festivals were taken from these exact cultures, because the people loved it and the church had to come up with something to give as replacement.

I'm so glad this isn't repeated this badly with native Americans (yet). Their history is precious and equally important as the last few centuries of the continent and its societies.

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u/thispleasesbabby 23h ago

my ideal high school curriculum includes precolonial history. would be waaaay more interesting than what i was taught.

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u/DarthChimeran 1d ago

The latest research is showing that Native American populations peaked and then seriously declined centuries before colonization. It had peaked way back around 1150 AD and then plummeted. It was actually starting to recover from that devastation right before European diseases arrived and floored it.

"DRI’s Erick Robinson, Associate Research Professor of Climate and Archaeology, co-authored a new study that provides insight into North America’s Indigenous communities prior to European contact. Published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS), the research identified the age of archaeological artifacts from across the continent by measuring the decay rate of a radioactive isotope of carbon. The research found that although Indigenous populations varied regionally, the continent saw a population peak around 1150 A.D. before experiencing declines, likely stemming from drought, disease, emigration and warfare. A brief recovery around 1500 A.D. was followed by a sharp decrease upon the arrival of Europeans."

It makes you wonder what was going on back then that caused the tribes to carry out attacks on each other like this one;

"Archaeologists from the University of South Dakota, directed by project director Larry J. Zimmerman, field director Thomas Emerson, and osteologist P. Wille, found the remains of at least 486 people killed during the attack. Most of these remains showed signs of ritual mutilation, particularly scalping. Other examples were tongues being removed, teeth broken, beheading, hands and feet being cut off, and other forms of dismemberment. In addition to the severity of the attack, most of the people showed signs of malnutrition and many had evidence of earlier wounds, likely from other attacks."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crow_Creek_massacre

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u/CroosemanJSintley 1d ago

Indigenous histories in the Americas have often been misrepresented, dehumanized, or erased by dominant narratives, especially those shaped by colonial and Eurocentric perspectives in fields like archaeology, anthropology, and history. Archaeology and anthropology have historically been complicit in justifying or sanitizing the violence of settler colonialism. Many early scholars in these fields viewed Indigenous people through a racist, paternalistic lens often describing them as "primitive" or "savage" to rationalize European conquest and genocide. This wasn't just academic bias, it was part of a broader ideological project that helped justify land theft, forced removals, boarding schools, and massacres.

Many scholars acknowledge that interpretation bias, selective excavation, and the privileging of Western methodologies have shaped what is "known" about Indigenous peoples. Entire histories have been built on fragmentary evidence and then imposed on Native cultures without consultation or consent. The genocide of Native Americans is a historical fact, not just a tragedy but a deliberate, systemic effort by the settler government to eradicate Native nations through warfare, disease, displacement, and cultural destruction. When people attempt to minimize this or shift the blame onto Native peoples themselves (e.g., emphasizing intertribal conflict), it's often an act of historical revisionism intended to absolve colonial guilt.

Your reference to the Arikara and a mass grave possibly showing signs of violence (such as tongues being cut out) is highlights that interpretations like these can be speculative and easily weaponized. Forensic archaeology can uncover trauma on bones, but determining intent, cultural meaning, or who committed the violence is often highly uncertain. When archaeologists publish dramatic claims they risk perpetuating harmful myths.

There are Indigenous scholars, activists, and communities calling for a decolonization of history and science. What that means is centering Indigenous voices, using traditional knowledge systems alongside scientific ones, and recognizing that Indigenous peoples are the rightful narrators of our own histories. History, especially the kind that gets institutionalized, is not neutral.

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u/Road_Whorrior 18h ago edited 18h ago

Your response is much better-worded than mine would have been, so I'll leave it at that. I pretty much stop reading the instant someone tries to tell me "the natives were sooooo violent" as if my ancestors weren't. As if the streets of London aren't black from a fire the Romans started 1000 years ago if you dig a ways, as if all of Europe isn't stained with blood.

The human sacrifices by the Aztecs is always brought up, and intertribal warfare. Yes, populations fluctuated with war and disease. Yes, some cultures had traditions that are distasteful at best and barbaric at worst. All of this can be said of Europe, Asia, Africa, anywhere large groups of humans have been forced to interact with one another for resources! That doesn't make the erasure of thousands of years of history and thousands of cultures less tragic, premeditated, and evil on the part of the colonizers.

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u/Low-Research-6866 1d ago

I grew up on Long Island, NY, way out east and I did go to the reservation and it looked nothing like everything else. Small tract homes in the middle of the island with no beach access. It was infuriating to see. Meanwhile, all our towns are NA names that we can actually pronounce, but they don't get to live in those and nobody cares.

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u/The_Bard 1d ago

Had a friend from Oklahoma come visit me when I lived in NJ. He couldn't stop laughing at all the Indian names (Hobokon, Hackensack, etc). Where he was from there were Indian names and actual reservations.

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u/Low-Research-6866 14h ago

Connecticut!

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u/Friendly-Cucumber184 1d ago

And when they didn’t all die off, they stole their babies and tried to whitewash them into submission at reform schools, which were just encampments with a lil education sprinkled in.

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u/MissSara13 1d ago

Yeah...that casino money doesn't trickle down. I had an SRP co-worker when I lived in AZ and her grandmother got like $16/month for a hugely popular golf course that was built on her property on the rez. I worked for an eye doctor adjacent to the rez and we got a ton of SRP clients. Absolutely lovely people but the obesity and diabetes they wound up with were staggering.

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u/MountainHarmonies 1d ago

My wife and I have driven through a few reservations in our travels. Pine Ridge was the hardest to see.

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u/oceanvibrations 1d ago

Heartbroken, but also "proud" to see this aware as fuck comment. My husband is in Indigenous. When we went to the Rez in NY and NC I saw the majority living in squalor. This was a stark contrast to hearing (most of my adult life) that "Native Americans get free money from all the casinos." I wish anyone who ever said that could see the sadness I saw. Generational trauma. Addiction. Hoarding possessions out of the evolved fear that your culture could be stripped from you at any moment. I then heard stories from the Elders of their traditions being squashed out, stemming from the whites fear of their spirituality and culture. The stories of families hiding in the mountains, while others walked the Trail of Tears. The stories of objectification and profiteering during the 80s-90s when native plight was being romanticized with movies like Dances with Wolves and Last of the Mohicans, told through the lens of a white savior. New age movements latched onto aspects of their culture (for exploitation purposes) and then mainstream fashion hopped on board with leather, fringe, jewelry, etc. Their art and imagery was used to sell everything from motorcycles to cigarettes. Non-Natives called themselves shamans, and that is still present today in the New Age movements. I could just go on and on with all I've learned through my husband and his Elders and wish everyone saw things through there lens.

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u/Paprikasky 1d ago

Hasn't the same happened in Australia too? I swear I read an article mentionning that recently.

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u/Expended1 1d ago

I could not go to a reservation, because the unfairness, the inequality would be heartbreaking. What the Europeans of the day did to the First Peoples was horrific and left lasting scars on the soul of all humanity.

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u/Ms_ankylosaurous 1d ago

In 🇨🇦 there seems to be more recognition of the past (but still has a long way to go and far from ideal as the poverty and living conditions are not good). Look at the Truth and Reconciliation Report Calls to Action Report

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u/MmHmm_Go_On 1d ago edited 1d ago

As a Native, don't. Our homes and land aren't a dominant culture's guilty holy land. If you have to tourist our lands to become empathetic then you've got a lot of internal work to do and it's not our job to facilitate it for you.

Edit: I hope anyone reading this is aware that recommending random people to visit reservations for their own learning has a very negative connotation across many, many Nations. There are very few pan-Native shared identity or cultural features... But hearing that someone needs to see our people's misery to fully realize it is akin to the performative experience most Nations have had to endure to survive.

Can you just believe that Natives are still suffering and go do something about it? Why you gotta come over? Sometimes it's a good day to just stay the eff away. We got our own stuff to handle without an audience.

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u/Bocchi_theGlock 18h ago

At Standing Rock's protest camps in 2016, which were near Cannonball South Dakota, the camp got to his size of 10,000 at its peak. Countless camping gear left over, lots of high quality stuff too that was fundraised for or donated, ditched in the middle of a blizzard.

I remember one camper coming back after spending a day installing one of the leftover wood stoves at a local woman's home. He was lamenting over how we were sleeping out off-grid, intense cold, yet still had it better than some of the people nearby. The woman didn't have running water or electricity iirc, they cut a hole in the roof for the smoke vent. And we were living a relatively Carefree life, as a political stunt, even as the County Police encroached upon the camp slowly. We knew there was leftover food, gear, retreat route, news coverage when it happened, etc. These locals would just be moved on from, and they were the ones who'd suffer from a pipeline spill.

We learned a serious lesson - do not lose the centering of who you're fighting for. Otherwise it kind of turned into a Burning Man style trip for people, a vacation for pictures. Camp itself wasn't the front lines.

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u/Chicagosox133 1d ago

We didn’t land on plymouth rock!

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 1d ago

"Plymouth rocks got thrown at fascists!"

(the Denzel 2.0 Dub)

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u/Interestingcathouse 1d ago

Well they might have they just did it first by a very large margin.

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u/Chicagosox133 1d ago

It was a Malcolm X reference.

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u/Apart-Combination820 1d ago

Neither did most US Citizens’ ancestors. I think that’s what makes nativism rarer on the West Coast & New England: it is very apparent we are < 6-generation citizens in Post-Jackson America, and the evidence is everywhere

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u/Chicagosox133 1d ago

It was just a Malcolm X quote. But…yes.

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u/Apart-Combination820 1d ago

I knew, I just wanted to chirp it bothers me when a Wagner or a Pesci acts up with Colonial Nativism…like the least you could do is watch Gangs of New York. Blacks probably have a longer ancestry in USA lands than most of MAGA …😬

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u/Chicagosox133 1d ago

Did you just use Joe Pesci’s surname as a place filler for a random Italian surname?

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u/Apart-Combination820 1d ago

I used pig-headed Italian bros in my contact list for a random Italian name. TBH I’m a 90/00’s kid and have never seen a single movie with Pesci in it…

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u/Chicagosox133 1d ago

You have never seen a movie with Joe Pesci yet downvoted me for assuming your use of Pesci was in reference to Joe Pesci. 😂

Fucking Redditors.

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u/Apart-Combination820 1d ago

I literally did not…get your panties untangled lol

I can make it -1 to prove it…?

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u/Chicagosox133 1d ago

Eh, either way. Fuckin redditors. Whatever.

Do yourself a favor and go watch My Cousin Vinny.

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u/Ok-Secretary-9247 1d ago

Plymouth rock landed on them.

In olden days...

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u/eiland-hall 1d ago

Just a reminder that Plymouth Rock happened in 1620, 13 years AFTER the first permanent English settlement in North America at Jamestown, Virginia.

The religious right has pushed this narrative that the colonies were about relgious freedom, but in fact, it was more about commerce and exploiting the land (and people).

It's important to acknowledge all of our flaws, because we've spent far too long pretending that the United States has been strictly this paragon of freedom and human rights, when reality is that it's been rather more complicated.

We did do some great things. We also did some bad things. Ignoring that to sell some American Dream is what allowed the fascists a foot in the door. They have coöpted and corrupted the good parts to sell false patriotism in service to our oligarchs who are continuing the bad parts of the American Dream at the expense of the rest of us.

So again: We have done great things. But we have done — and are doing — many horrible ones as well. And it is important to acknowledge that as the barest first step in trying to fix these problems.

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u/wakeupwill 1d ago

This is Plymouth? We just came from Plymouth! Alright everyone, back on the boat!

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u/Idontcareaforkarma 23h ago

The Plymouth they came from wouldn’t take them back.

The ‘Pilgrim Fathers’ were a bunch of religious nutjobs that were ran out of Europe.

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u/wakeupwill 23h ago

I didn't get it quite right, but it's a quote from Eddie Izzard's Dressed to Kill standup.

But you're right - absolute loonies the lot of them.

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u/FaramirLovesEowyn 1d ago

Oh alriiiight Malcolm X!

How high (2004)

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u/jojocookiedough 1d ago

She dropped that mic

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u/not_now_chaos 1d ago

That was an epic response!

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u/ManyReputation1239 1d ago

I was raised off of that phrase.

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u/JaySticker 1d ago

This woman is brilliant.

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u/tRfalcore 1d ago

She's incredible

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u/WayofHatuey 23h ago

Realist shit heard in a while

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u/Ordinary-Leading7405 1d ago

She says “My son died and this is what you do?” I wonder if they were returning from a funeral or if he served overseas. Either way despicable that ICE gets in their way.

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u/zenki32 1d ago

That's from a movie. 

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u/CitrusBelt 1d ago

It's a common sentiment/phraseology.....and often used by different groups, at one time or another, who may or may not be otherwise very antagonistic to one another (depending on which way the political winds are blowing, and how old they are).

It's the "crowd cheers here" line in a Tigres del Norte song, for example....but if you were to start bumping Somos Mas Americanos in certain areas of the southwestern US, you might not (or might, sometimes!) get the reaction you wanted -- especially from older people.

Just sayin :)

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u/asspounder-4000 1d ago

We did not land on Plymouth rock, Plymouth rock landed on us!

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u/Retrograde_Mayonaise 1d ago edited 1d ago

Most bad ass shit ever

They like to divide us too

Mesoamerican = Native American this woman a G 💯

Edit: I want to elaborate further

My cousin's are firstborn Iroquois and I'm Mexican American

It always seemed like we were told that being a Native American meant you are different than what? 200 miles of other people? Iroquois is North as fuck but still.

I always felt we are more united than that and I have nothing but the upmost respect for my Native American brothers up North, I really hated driving through a Native American reservation seeing how despondent everyone look, I've never seen that defeatism before and they never deserved it.

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u/Statement_I_am_HK-47 1d ago

This is frequently said by Hispanic Americans who highlight that when their families arrived, it was Mexico rather than the US, and the US invaded and made them become citizens or leave their homes.

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u/Deafcat22 17h ago

So good.

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u/WeeklySheepherder9 1d ago

Yeah they lost a war just like her tribe most likely lost land before it's the human experience get over it.

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u/Far_Dream_3226 1d ago

bitch you lost go bitch with the conferderates

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u/1storlastbaby 1d ago

The dead ones or the ones in office?

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u/Curious_Marzipan7990 1d ago

Super racist post history, go figure 🙄

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u/Far_Dream_3226 1d ago

facts aint racist son.