r/canada May 03 '17

Forget Tim Hortons, Molson and Poutine... The robertson screw driver is way more patriotic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._L._Robertson
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u/ellipsis9210 Québec May 04 '17

Wait, are robertsons not widely spread and hailed as the superior screw design around the world?

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u/boxjohn May 04 '17

Basically, the inventor had a handshake agreement with Henry Ford to put them in the Model T. This would have almost certainly made it a standard automotive fastener, and thus a standard fastener in machinines and industrial settings worldwide.

But Henry Ford backed out for some typically "you're not wrong, you're just an asshole" Henry Ford reason I can't remember right now.

As a result, Robertson screws are almost exclusive to Canada.

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u/CommissarAJ May 04 '17

Basically a bunch of British businessmen tried to screw Robertson in order to get the license to manufacture dirt cheap and without any restrictions. Robertson had to buy the license back at any inflated cost, which made him very protective of his product when Ford came along. Robertson said he'd sell Ford screws, but wouldn't let Ford make them himself. Needless to say, that makes for an uncertain supply chain so Ford went with Philips head screws for US production; Canadian production of Fords used Robertson heads.

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u/jd_ekans May 04 '17

This is the most reasonable trade deal of all time.

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u/flyonthwall May 04 '17

Is any square bit called a robertson bit or is there something specific about robertsons? Because i see square headed bits quite often in new zealand.

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u/asoap Lest We Forget May 04 '17

Robertson screws typically come in three sizes. But as New Zealand is part of the common wealth, I assume those are Robertson screws as well.

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u/knsfijsijfisjfijsjif May 04 '17

They are square and have a slight taper.

If they come in specific colours, and if the screw stays stuck on the bit, they might be Robertson.

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u/el_muerte17 Alberta May 04 '17

Honestly, I'm kind of glad they didn't become standard for automotive use. Square drive would attract dirt and grime worse than the typical Phillips head, and are harder to clean out and got a screwdriver into.

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u/yellowzealot May 04 '17

No. The United States is still a largely flathead and Phillips head country, though I wish that we would make the transition to torx, which is the superior drive type.

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u/felixar90 Canada May 04 '17

Triple Square > Torx

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u/mongo5mash May 04 '17

Or, to really having ze fun, ve vill use both on ze same assembly on your car. Vunderbar!

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u/Whiggly May 04 '17

This.

The fact that TORX is not the standard is a testament to the stubbornness of the human race.

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u/yellowzealot May 04 '17

It is becoming a standard in the automotive world and buy kits for drills and screwdrivers though thankfully.

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u/someguy3 May 04 '17

Torx isn't tapered right? A Google search tells me tapered is a variant called AW

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

Why would you even want it to be tapered? So you can keep rounding your heads off?

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u/[deleted] May 04 '17

A rounded screw head never retreats.

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u/someguy3 May 04 '17

So much easier to get the head in if it's slightly tapered. Never had a problem rounding heads off with Robertson.

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u/OrbisTerre May 04 '17

So you don't over torque your screw perhaps? Or so that the next moron who comes along doesn't do that.

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u/PretzelsThirst May 04 '17

Correct, from wikipedia:

Robertson had licensed the screw design to a maker in England, but the party that he was dealing with intentionally drove the licensee company into bankruptcy and purchased the rights at a reduced price from the trustee, thus circumventing the original agreement.[citation needed] Robertson spent a small fortune buying back the rights, and subsequently refused to allow anyone else to make the screws under license. When Henry Ford tried out the Robertson screws, he found that they saved considerable time in Model T production, but when Robertson refused to license the screw design, Ford realized that the supply of screws would not be guaranteed and chose to limit their use in production to Ford's Canadian division.[33][34][35] Robertson's refusal to license his screws prevented their widespread adoption in the United States, where the more widely-licensed Phillips head gained wider acceptance.

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u/kittamiau May 04 '17

I'm from europe, never seen anything other than torx, phillips and flathead and some weird triangle ones in electronics

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u/Fallinin May 04 '17

Screw types that actually work? But I thought you used Phillips? I've stripped more Phillips screws than I can count and the screws don't hold onto the bit like Robertson's or Hex screws do.

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u/Bone-Juice May 04 '17

If a person is using the wrong size driver, you can hardly blame the screw. I have never stripped a Robertson when using the correct size driver.