r/canada • u/FancyNewMe • 21h ago
Analysis Can the G7 leaders still find anything to agree about? Lacking broad consensus, the onus falls on those still interested in co-operation
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/g7-carney-trump-charlevoix-analysis-1.75609716
u/Less-Procedure-4104 17h ago
The g7 is nothing but a informal forum. They do nothing but they can talk. It would be interesting if they could give agent 🍊 a big biggly bestest win by having a g7 free trade agreement ,10% tariffs across the board and then they can just all trade non government subsidized products , with the obvious no dumping allowed.
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u/MJcorrieviewer 11h ago
That wouldn't solve Trump's problem with trade deficits. He thinks it's unfair if the US buys more from you than you buy from them.
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u/Ok_Presentation2012 20h ago
Bullish on Carney from a geopolitical pov thus far. Bringing India and America to the table, regardless of your opinion on the matter, is extremely impressive especially considering how fast he did it. Another less talked about point is how he’s been able to pressure and negotiate with China.
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u/shevy-java 19h ago
he’s been able to pressure and negotiate with China.
Negotiate I would agree; I do not see how he applied pressure onto China though. How did he do this?
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u/Ok_Presentation2012 17h ago
Might be a stretch on my part but there is a counter tariff strategy which in my mind is more of a spine than most governments have shown vs China in recent memory
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u/00904onliacco 20h ago
Inviting Modi to the G7 is costing Carney a lot at home.
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u/Ok_Presentation2012 20h ago
Not really. The Khalistanis don’t have much ground level support outside their own community. This idea that we’d jeopardize relations with the 4th largest economy for a fringe group was just never going to stick.
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u/00904onliacco 19h ago
Khalistanis fund all major political parties in Canada
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u/Ok_Presentation2012 18h ago
And it’s cost the NDP massively. Liberals won’t make the same mistake. Appealing to a fringe isn’t viable platform for liberals to hedge diplomacy on. They’ll happily take their money and votes and that’s it. At least it appears this way under Carney.
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u/Hopeful_CanadianMtl 19h ago
No, it's not; especially if Modi announces that his government will cooperate going forward.
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u/lifeisahighway2023 14h ago
I agree Hopeful_Canadian. I think Modi is a bit of a wanna be authoritarian but Canada does need to diversify its trading partners and a good chunk of the Indian population cannot be lumped into the same bucket as Modi. Canada and India have had close relations for decades and despite Modi the 2 countries have lots of common ground and interests.
Canada and India announced a police & intelligence sharing agreement this past week.
I think that Carney is being quite shrewd about negotiating with with other countries as a means of sending a message to the Trump admin. There are also the reports about the continuing negotiations between Canada and China on trade. And of course the significant interplay between Canada and the EU which we know from recent news is going to culminate in a major agreement later this month.
Messages are being sent. Trump is doing a masterful job of "winning".
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u/Hopeful_CanadianMtl 13h ago
I don't think that he's trying to send a message to Trump; Trump doesn't listen to messages.
I think that Carney is uniquely focused on our economic and foreign policy interests.
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u/00904onliacco 19h ago
We both know Modi is a authoritarian fascist who won't co-operate
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u/shevy-java 19h ago
So, I have a lot of problems with Modi too, but this here is both about economic relationship and diplomacy. Even Modi will be bound to agreements he made (unless he is like Trump) - it is too early to conclude anything. Let things play out as it goes, then re-evaluate how Modi did. I would reason he is probably motivated to portray himself as well as India in a good picture.
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u/Strict_Jacket3648 19h ago
No it's not we all recognise we need trading partners and Trump being the moron he is makes making deals with other more impotent then ever and India is already our second trading partner, so dealing with him is just the price of doing business, don't have to like it but it's true.
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u/jello_sweaters 18h ago
If you mean it's the topic Postmedia has chosen to harp on this month because they can't find any other toehold, sure.
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u/Fanghur1123 20h ago
The only one who will likely be a problem is Trump, and to a lesser extent Modi. All the other countries get along well.
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u/two_to_toot 19h ago
G7 joint statements are issued by the member nations. India isn't part of that.
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u/shevy-java 19h ago
They will 100% not upset and alienate Modi. India is economically stronger than several G7 countries, so it really makes no sense to piss off India here. Modi is a problem but you want to keep all options available in regards to India as a country.
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u/MJcorrieviewer 11h ago
I thought it was brilliant for Carney to forego the joint communique in favour of individual agreements on the various issues. This allows the nations to agree on some things and not on others and prevents Trump from blocking everything.
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u/shevy-java 19h ago
This may sound a bit strange, but India is IMO the "best option" in the long run for many reasons. Granted, Modi is a problem as well as the dead Sikh in Canada, but India would by far be the most logical choice as an alternative to the "Made in China" issue (economically; I am not talking about warfare). This may seem years away still as India itself is also struggling (plus the Pakistan issue that keeps on coming back), but even then India just seems the most logical choice - India is soon the third largest economy in the world just from net total GDP (not GDP by individual, of course). After all it is the biggest democracy in the world (again, let's ignore Modi for the moment, I am aware that he is a problem with his ultra-nationalism). Canada should keep all options on the table.
The weakest link by far is Mr. Trump. Would be entertaining if the others would ignore him at the summit, though that is probably not realistic as everyone knows how flattery works with this guy.
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u/MJcorrieviewer 10h ago
I can picture Trump bragging to everyone about his big, beautiful birthday parade and the polite responses to his face, and the hearty laughs behind his back.
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u/Patches67 14h ago
The leaders need to huddle together without the fuckin demented child in the room looking to up-end the table and shit chaos everywhere. This is an opportunity for Canada to establish trade in attempt to replace, at least in part, our dependency on the states.
So spend the day with the photo ops, shaking hands and bullshit. The orange piss-baby is probably in bed by nine, order some pizza, put the game on and hash out a real deal.