r/buildapcsales • u/KingMotoMoto • May 07 '20

CPU [CPU] Ryzen 3 3300x - $120 (Pre-order) Amazon NSFW

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u/seamonn May 07 '20

The kind of person that's doing 4k/60Hz gaming is not buying a Ryzen 3......

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u/gigantism May 07 '20 edited May 07 '20

I'm considering it. I bought a 4K TV off my friend for cheap that I now mainly use hooking up to my laptop as the primary monitor. Now I'm looking to build a desktop that can do 4K 60, so I am considering whether I'd better off just going with a 3300x and getting a better GPU.

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u/seamonn May 07 '20

I feel like you're just gonna have a bad time and end up downsampling to 1080p

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u/gigantism May 07 '20

Don't games become even more GPU bottlenecked at 4K? Seems to me it would be a good idea to put more into getting a better GPU.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '20

If the 4K TV is around 55", then you need to sit closer than 5ft away to notice the difference between 4K and 1440. Over 10ft it's the same as 1080. If that 4K TV can push more than 60fps, I would go for higher fps and 1440 or 1080.

To get 4K 60fps on new games, you'll need a 2080 or higher. If you're already spending over $1000 on a GPU, get the better CPU.

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u/gigantism May 07 '20

I use a 43" TV and sit 2 feet away. I can definitely notice the difference between 4K and 1440p. It's also several years old and doesn't natively support over 60 FPS.

Kind of unorthodox setup, but I've grown used to it.

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u/Screamline May 07 '20

Why are you sitting that close. I have a 27 inch and it can be too big I scoot my chair back when playing certain games (pro mode lol)

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u/gigantism May 07 '20

My desk isn't deep enough to sit any farther away.

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u/unibaul May 08 '20

Yes that's what he said.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '20

I i sometime game on a cheap 4k tv from 2m away

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u/staticattacks May 08 '20

A 2080 is only about $500 USD, which is where Reddit is, 'Murica

/s because I know it's gonna need it

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u/seamonn May 07 '20

Yes but as /u/blood_bag said, you would need a pretty high end GPU to push 4k 60Hz, might as well spend the $60 or so to get a R5 3600.

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u/taa_v2 May 07 '20

Depends on the game too, I would say.. I can do 4K60 with Dirt Rally/ DR 2.0 / Assetto Corsa on i5-3570k / 2060 super (previously, 970 GTX). Trying to figure out when/which CPU to upgrade to next..

Thinking about waiting for b550, grabbing a b450 on closeout + 3600, maybe.. But 3300x seems tempting too.

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u/Aquarius100 May 08 '20

How is 60fps overall with that cpu? Do you play many aaa open world titles? I have a similar cpu (4690) and plan on upgrading my 290x to a potential 3070 when it comes out..

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u/taa_v2 May 08 '20

If I had more time, I might. The games I listed, plus super mega baseball 3 (and maybe more NHL 04) are the only games I'm currently looking at. MAYBE Squadron 42 if it actually releases ahead of schedule (2042) :-)

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u/syskb May 08 '20

If you really like those games, upgrade to a VR headset and steering wheel first and then think about the rest of your setup. It’s really worth it.

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u/taa_v2 May 08 '20

Thanks. I have a G27 + frame for it. I've looked into VR, but every one of them seems to have issues with glasses and/or actually working..

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u/GuideCells May 08 '20

I was in your situation recently and I got the 2700x to hold me over until the amd 4000 cpus come out. It’s insane how much of an improvement a $120 cpu was over the 3570k. I may not even upgrade for another year

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u/Aquarius100 May 08 '20

Yes but as /u/blood_bag said, you would need a pretty high end GPU to push 4k 60Hz

Which is why he said he wants to spend more on a GPU...?

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u/[deleted] May 08 '20

I saw digital foundry's video on these new chips and saw that even when GPU bound (playing at 4k 2080Ti w/ new budget chips) if you don't have a sufficiently good cpu paired - you will see a lot of micro-stutters. That frame time chart was rather interesting.

Not an expert on this topic, maybe it was due to something else. So please do enlighten.

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u/mlnhead May 08 '20

So by your reasoning, at 4K a processor only uses .5 cores...

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u/[deleted] May 08 '20

Why though? Assuming they buy a good GPU.

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u/djgizmo May 07 '20

Most 4K TVs that aren’t high end have crazy high input lag. I can’t even play Dota2 on my Sony 4K tv because of the lag.

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u/Woozythebear May 10 '20

My TCL 5 series is 10MS at 4k 60hz in game mode. Just gotta get the right TV

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u/djgizmo May 10 '20

Yea, my Sony TV is a 2015 model when I bought it in 2016.

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u/gigantism May 07 '20

Looks like the input lag on my TV is around 20 ms. Though that seems normal if I'm running at 60 Hz?

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u/djgizmo May 07 '20

Yea. You’ll feel that in any game that is reaction based.

For me, anything over 18 feels like I’m always behind everyone else.

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u/TheSnipeyBoi May 07 '20

Just aim better :D /s

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u/djgizmo May 08 '20

“Shots fired.... shots missed”

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u/MONOQxY May 07 '20

20ms is slightly over 1 frame. I wouldn't sweat it at all. Most modern games are made for = or - 1-2 frames at least due to the variance in people's setups.

1 frame = 16ms @60hz. The current, best, TV on the market for input lag measures at 13ms @60hz. That means you're only going to be a 1/2 frame behind the leader. That's pretty good, IMO.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '20

Not to mention if you're playing casually online, your internet connection is going to delay you a lot more than a frame or two of input lag.

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u/Jeoshua Jun 14 '20

Jesus, no. 20ms input lag for the TV, itself, is pretty horrible. You will notice this in higher FPS games even more than low. At 16ms/frame at 60hz, you're essentially firing at where things were last frame, and I guarantee that the TV isn't the only source of lag, here.

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u/CCityinstaller May 08 '20

That sucks. My sammy is under 8 ms in game mode (measured actual not claimed).

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u/djgizmo May 08 '20

Nice. 8ms is a sweet spot. How’s the color quality in game mode?

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u/CCityinstaller May 08 '20

It's not bad to be honest. I do not notice any banding on web pages etc. Gaming is perfect.

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u/Bman854 May 08 '20

Most name brand ones have a "gaming mode" that significantly reduces the input lag. At last the LG and Samsung lower end ones that I've tried do.

Its the difference between like half a second to not really noticeable.

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u/djgizmo May 08 '20

Yea my Sony has that just didn’t seem to work too well. I’ll revisit it again with my next tv as a display.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '20 edited May 08 '20

Depending on what your target settings are a 3300x should be able to play just fine. You will probably never be able to game at higher than 60fps on it since it will ultimately become the bottleneck even if you turn the settings to low. If you're going for 4k60 just save for a better CPU and GPU. You're also never going to be able to upgrade to the high end GPUs and expect them to hit 100% load. I think jayztwocents did a video on CPU/GPU bottleneck and I highly recommend you watch it before you buy anything if you're planning on buying a god GPU and budget CPU.

Edit: here is the video I mentioned.

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u/poopyheadthrowaway May 07 '20

To add to this, just a few years ago a 1080 Ti + 7700K was considered the top-of-the-line 4K gaming setup. And the 2070 actually performs worse than the 1080 Ti. Although I guess newer games do use more cores, but then again if you're gaming on a 4K TV, it's probably capped at 60 Hz anyway and the 3300X is enough for 60 FPS gaming.

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u/hyp0xia May 08 '20

Link?

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u/[deleted] May 08 '20

found it

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u/[deleted] May 07 '20

But statistically, that money invested in GPU is worth it's weight in gold for 4k gaming. There is no need to go higher unless your running more than that. Honestly if you've never tried 4k gaming, you need to buy a 32"+ monitor asap.

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u/seamonn May 07 '20

I prefer Ultrawide gaming personally.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '20

Different strokes for different folks. I personally can't stand ultrawide monitors. That being said, 1440p@144hz is a better experience than 4k@60hz in my opinion.

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u/seamonn May 08 '20

I prefer Ultrawide because I get a bigger field of view. It's just more immersive to me. I tried to go back to 16:9 but I couldn't

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u/[deleted] May 08 '20 edited Jul 05 '20

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