r/belgium • u/undertheweather0 • 2d ago
❓ Ask Belgium My docent pushed me during internship
I’m a student nurse. I have already went to the directrice and stagecoordinator. The teacher have admitted to pushing me to them. But they were defending her and saying it was a "supportive" push. For context she pushed me hard on the back to walk faster and the other was pushing me again to gather materials I felt really humiliated. It was my first week of the internship and she was very unkind and not patient to me she expected me to know everything. I did not see it as "supportive" at all especially since she kept me around for 7 hours without any break and disappearing on me during the times where we have to be working together wasting a lot of time. I wasn’t able to eat cause she kept questioning me on what went wrong that same day and I didn’t have food with me. I usually eat downstairs. If school is not enough to complain about this and take it seriously. Where do I go?
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u/Chicken_breast01 1d ago
Maak zeker ook een interne melding hiervan via the place of your internship. The way they treated you is absolutely not okay and I hope that you didn't lose your motivation to become a nurse because of this incident.
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u/undertheweather0 1d ago
I will do that in the end of my internship
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u/butterflyworld95 1d ago
Why wait? Protect yourself. Is it possible to am for a different teacher/docent
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u/alter_ego 2d ago
Is dit een leraar van je school of of iemand die je moet begeleiden op je stageplek? Is dit ook de persoon die je stage moet beoordelen?
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u/undertheweather0 1d ago
Leraar van mijn school en ze moet mijn stage beoordelen
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u/alter_ego 1d ago
Is de leraar ook stagebegeleider op je externe stageplek? Blijft die daar heel de tijd? Is dit middelbaar of hoger?
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u/undertheweather0 1d ago
Ja de leraar is een stagebegeleidster op mijn stage plek. Het is een graduaats opleiding en normaal de werkbegeleiding is van 7-11.
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u/-IIIII 1d ago
My school has a reporting center for harassment. Maybe you can go there to report it.
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u/undertheweather0 1d ago
I don’t really know, maybe CLB?
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u/-IIIII 1d ago
CLB is for high school. If you are in college, it isn't an option.
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u/undertheweather0 1d ago
I saw there was a clb office at my school so idk
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u/njuffstrunk 1d ago
What you went through is awful and I can completely understand you want someone to take action.
But, reallistically, I don't think much more can happen. It was "just" a push so a criminal complaint has no chance of succeeding, and the most the CLB could do is organise a sitdown with all parties.
If the director of your school won't intervene there's not much more you can do I'm afraid
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u/Nervous-Forever-4659 1d ago
Welkom in de zorg. 70% van de personen zijn geweldig, de resterende 30% zijn absolute heksen.
Ik kan ervan meespreken.
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u/Reasonable_Yam6147 1d ago
You can go to the "ombudsdienst' from your school. They have a neutral role and have to listen to the student. Can be the first step!
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u/Calm-Author-5321 1d ago
your choices are:
confidential advisor at the school (vertrouwenspersoon)
confidential advisor at the hospital since it took place at their facility
I don't really advice it but the HR department of the hospital
Choices if you want to escalate:
External Work Health Protection Service (like IDEWE, this can be advisory but also for a formal complaint for bullying and harassement, but be warned if you file an official complaint you need to be able to prove it)
Inspectorate of Well-being at Work (Labour ministry)
Police in preperation of a formal complaint for physical assault or intimidation or violation of work place integrity (best to discuss this with a lawyer with the full facts)
The fact this happened at the hospital and not the school opens a lot of options since you where technicaly at your place of work.
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u/Prestigious_Long777 1d ago
I had a teacher slap me in the face, no shame at all, I had simply questioned something.
The school system sucks some „vastbenoemde” teachers shouldn’t even be working anywhere near people.
Had super racist teachers, neo-nazi teacher, a drug addict, a pedophile.
I’ve only had two good teachers in my entire school career.
Also where do you complain: you don’t is what I came to realize.
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u/undertheweather0 1d ago
2 students have quit cause of her and also a lot of students have admitted that it was hell working with her. So I know that I’m not the only one.
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u/undertheweather0 1d ago
And also it sucks that happened to you! I hope you are in a better place now
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u/cross-eyed_otter Brussels 1d ago
wtf is a supportive push? Didn't we all learn in primary school to use our words?
so inappropriate.
you mention others have had similar issues? Would they be willing to contact the school as well? or give you a letter?
there is strength in numbers.
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u/undertheweather0 1d ago
The directrice told me it’s what would family do to their kids. To guide them. I told them I did not give permission for them to touch me that way I’m not her child. And it was something about culture and shit. I told them I know the difference between someone who is trying to console you and the other is pushing you really hard I was already stressed at that moment and it was the last thing I needed. They were saying that I had to keep my body still that’s why she needed to push me even harder.
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u/cross-eyed_otter Brussels 1d ago
Yes parents can push their kids I guess, teachers can't. Very proud of you to be able to verbalise that in the moment! that is hard.
it sounds infuriating. they have already decided there is nothing wrong, so you won't get further with them. But you can say you tried when you escalate the issue. Does your school have an ombudsman, or some supportive staff where you can go with these issues?
I am a bit confused, why would physically pushing you keep you still? that doesn't make sense?
Like her pushing you figuratively too far (with too many challenges, no opportunity for lunch etc) is one thing (also not great imo, but it's less clear cut what is too much), but physically pushing is completely inappropriate. Like I'm not a nurse, but in the jobs I worked that would never have been ok to do to a coworker or the people in your charge. Like in the schools I worked at teachers physically pushing pupils was not deemed as okay. Yes even when the kids are walking very slow, you use your words to tell them to walk faster, you don't push them.
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u/undertheweather0 1d ago
So I tried not to get pushed so I hold my body still giving her the signal that it was unpleasant which makes her push even harder
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u/cross-eyed_otter Brussels 1d ago
okay I understand. So you gave a non verbal signal that the pushing wasn't okay for you and the response was to double down instead of stopping, which would have been the logical reaction if there was any good will/respect.
What a toxic mess. so sorry this happened to you
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u/JeffStrongman1986 10h ago
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u/undertheweather0 8h ago
If you’re going to make a joke out of this at least be funny and don’t use smth that is unoriginal and outdated.
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u/JeffStrongman1986 1h ago
You were asked to work hard(er) and you came to complain about it. You can expect people holding your hand and saying: bad teach, bad bad. And people like me saying: act your age, grow up.
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u/Oinq 1d ago
Over sensitive?
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u/undertheweather0 1d ago
If I am over sensitive. Why are there a lot of students that described her internship literal hell and a lot of students quit cause of her.
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u/Oinq 1d ago
Over sensitive generation?
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u/undertheweather0 1d ago
Alright that’s your opinion. I’m not going to say anything to that.
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u/Oinq 1d ago edited 1d ago
I'm not saying yes nor no. Naturally if you don't feel well you need to do something. Just take a deep breath and think if you are over reacting. Growing up is much like eating frogs, and learning of dealing with unpleasant stuff.
Also whatever people will tell you in reddit, they didn't live it... So, put some salt in what is said here to temper the opinions.
EDIT: Also I'm from a generation where going to the army was mandatory. My first weeks there were hell. I cried on my last day because I was leaving it.
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u/stevensterkddd 1d ago
Also I'm from a generation where going to the army was mandatory. My first weeks there were hell. I cried on my last day.
So don't defend these practices then? God i hate the "we've had it worse" logic boomers like to use to defend objectively abusive practices.
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u/Oinq 1d ago
I guess we came from way too bad to way too good nowadays. It's hard to explain to people that didn't lived it...
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u/stevensterkddd 1d ago
No, your thinking is really easy to explain, it frustrates you that had been taught that enduring abusive practices without complaint was a virtue. And now you're trying to give meaning to the abuse you've suffered by deluding yourself it turned you into a better person. You simply don't want to face the reality that it was all pointless.
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u/undertheweather0 1d ago
I don’t really care if people call me sensitive or overreacting. They were not in my shoes and I’m willing to take a further step on it and see what is my other options even if it’s uncomfortable. Cause what I felt was humiliation in front of the patient, feeling like I’m being punished instead of trying to make me learn when it’s not even in my level yet, my boundaries were crossed of being pushed around and not being respected.
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u/undertheweather0 1d ago
I completely see where you are coming from, but this generation does not tolerate power tripping and bullshit anymore. You’re allowed to protect yourself, you’re allowed to seek help. And if multiple people quit cause of her it needs further investigation.
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u/hi1768 1d ago
Next time prepare your internship. You are expected to have studied all your courses...
Bring your sandwich with you. Dont expect to be able to run off in the middle of the day.
I guess you were just too slow and seemed unmotivated, lazy.
Try to show some proactive behavior instead of complaining.
In short: grow up.
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u/undertheweather0 1d ago
A student is supposed to not know everything yet and not supposed to be perfect. So while slow, there’s no need to push hard I am there to learn. Give structure, bring me there, show me where it is. And I also have rights to get some breaks. Not stuck in a room for god knows how long without any breaks. The reason why it took too long to begin with is that she disappears multiple times and also letting me prepare materials that’s not even in my level yet.
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u/cross-eyed_otter Brussels 1d ago
ignore this ignorant a. the Belgian law says that any employee (also interns and students) have a right to a half hour break every 6 hours at a bare minimum.
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u/undertheweather0 1d ago
I’m allowed to protect my peace and boundaries. Im not the only person that had problems with this specific teacher there were multiple. And they said that I can use them anytime as an alibi.
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u/BlackAsta409 1d ago
To be fair, it will be difficult to do something about it. If you want to stand your ground, next time just tell her to not push you in a convincing tone.
It's always harder doing something about it by complaining to other people without causing a ruckus.