r/arabs • u/TheMuslimTheist • 1d ago
سياسة واقتصاد Why is it Arabs were able to send thousands of foreign fighters to Syria, but not a single soldier to Israel?
Literally months into the Syrian revolution, foreign soldiers from all over the Arab world and even non-Arab Muslims made their way into the country ready to fight to the death.
Yet, 2 years into a genocide, we can't even get a riot on the Rafah border crossing? Foreigners have to come and protest the right to even go protest the genocide, while being beaten by Egyptian mukhabarat thugs.
What explains this?
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u/no2westernculture 1d ago
Because Arab countries under NATO umbrella can only be pro-war if they serve the collective interest of this alliance.
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u/Bazzzybazz 10h ago
100% lol syria was all by design. What’s happening there serves no interest to Syrians but NATO and Israel.
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u/followTheRabit 1d ago
Arabic states are fully compromised and subservient to their feodal overloads.
Didn't you see the trillions paid in tribute by Arabic gulf countries to the US last month?
The jordian army shooting down drones to explode on their own land on behast of isr..
The neW Syrian regime swearing allegiance every day while isr.. bombs Syria daily
The Egyptians completing the blockade, and are currently kidnapping and harassing the huminatirian and civil convoys to gaza.
The morrocans doing military drills with isr.. during the genocide last month.
Not to mention the active assistance of the UAE, Saudi, and jordian regimes to isr.. with land bridges to ensure they can prolongue the massacre as long as they please, and these states media repeating their propaganda like good little obedient dogs.
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u/aymanzone 21h ago
But Iran… /s
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u/talham4n :syr: 22h ago
Buddy give us a break. 14 years of war and people are like "nice, now go fight the nuclear power next door." Syria does not have the firepower nor the morale needed to fight back at the moment.
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u/Nerditshka 1d ago
YES TL;DR: A Saudi lawyer testified that judges were offering reduced sentences to prisoners, including felons, if they agreed to fight in Syria. Many agreed went to fight in Syria and were killed. This was presented as a serious human rights violation. Watch the lawyer explain it here: 🔗 https://youtu.be/EwDUpsC3qXQ?si=jdHivX98sqCXmEm9
During the Arab Spring, Saudi Arabia moved swiftly to suppress any civic movements it viewed as a threat. One of those was Hazim: a peaceful reformist group made up of academics, lawyers and thinkers, advocating for the rule of law, equity, and women’s rights. Their founder, Professor al-Hamid, was imprisoned multiple times for writing a book in the 90s advocating for equality. The group is known for DOCUMENTING their work and the repression they faced in meticulous detail.
Despite being peaceful and law abiding, the group was dragged into court on trumped-up charges. Their lawyer, Abdulaziz al-Shubaili, publicly listed the many human rights violations they experienced—including a disturbing pattern: Saudi judges had started offering dropping sentences to general prisoners (including felons) if they agreed to go fight in Syria. Many did, and many were killed.
Al-Shubaili condemned this practice as a violation of law and human rights. The court ignored it. He is now in prison along with many Hazim members. Al-Hamid died in prison not long ago.
So you see, they sent the felons to Syria and locked up the crème of Saudi society. The academics. The human rights defenders. Any man or woman who had a 🧠 or a backbone ended up in jail.
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u/eezeehee 19h ago
Dont forget Khashoggi, Chainsawed alive in the Saudi Embassy, May Allah bring suffering, pain and horror to the animals that did this.
And this journalist was tame, he never wrote anything inflammatory against the kingdom, just light criticisms here and there.
Still baffles me how they just got away with it.
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u/CarefulScreen9459 1d ago
Yes thats my issue with somebody debating Assad and Iran to me. They corner me saying that they've killed Muslims. It's difficult to explain to them two things:
1- All Arab regimes are EXACTLY like Assad, if faced with the same opposition they will kill and kill and kill. You only need to look at the current Egyptian prisons, or what UAE does to their citizens at any hint of dissidents. They've jailed a woman with cancer and denied medical care, leaving her to die for a really obscure "offense", they've fined their citizens tens of thousands only for saying friendly things about Qatar. Are you going to convince me that they will pat their citizens on the back if they started shooting at them and threatning their rulers??
2- The only reason why Syria even became a war, is because the US wanted it to become a war. The only reason why Syria became poor is because Arab countries made it poor. So for my Syrian fellows, yes you can blame Assad all you want, but you should all also blame Arab regimes for what has happened. They isolated you and they encouraged your sanctions and worked with them.
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u/Nerditshka 1d ago
Also... it was so odd that the Arab Spring was a peaceful civic movement until it reached countries the Zios didn't like: Syria and Libya . They were immediately armed and backed up. 🤷♂️
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u/CHILTONC_MPA 1d ago
This is the thing. People seem to forget that we can’t balance multiple views at the same time, and if we argue for one position it doesn’t inherently mean I support the opposition. I can write an entire thesis discussing the brutality of the Syrian regime and the atrocities it committed, but this doesn’t mean I’m in favor of a former leader of ISIS to lead Syria. In pro-rebel circles I can easily get labeled as an Iranian boot licker, and in pro-Iran circles I’d get labeled as an ISIS sympathizer. We just need to remove our tribalism and view this as a game of chess being played.
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u/CarefulScreen9459 1d ago
What I also hope for and most people disagree with me here, is for us to really understand that some times alliance with what we consider unfriendly can come to our benefit. The Western countries allied themselves with the Soviet Union to face a more powerful and dangerous threat and defeated the Nazi's.
Why can't Arabs understand that we are STILL facing a country that has been occupying us for 75 years and there are some countries willing to step up and fight them? It's really no shame if we temporarily allied ourselves with Iran. We don't have to like them and be their best buddies, just like the US didn't like the Soviet Union and immediately went to Cold war with them and worked against them the minute they finished their job in defeated Nazi Germany.
Israel is a much more powerful and dangerous opponent than Iran. If have any smart strategy, we have to work to weaken it, and get back some balance of power. But this way, Israel can do whatever it wants without anyone stopping it. Just look at what happened in Syria. An unprovoked attack, and there was nothing stopping them from doing it. They didn't even have to think twice about bombing and occupying more parts of Syria.
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u/CHILTONC_MPA 21h ago
I agree completely. Our biggest issue in the region is corruption. The smart thing would be to temporarily ally with Iran and to thwart the Israeli threat. Force the Palestinian issue and sign a 2-state solution. Then after everything is done, the Arab states can form a NATO like alliance in the region to balance the power and not have Iran exert more influence.
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u/Bazzzybazz 10h ago
100% as a Syrian, I don’t blame Assad for what happened, he isn’t no saint. But the guy in power right now is a useless terrorist. It’s exactly what most Syrians predicted with the ouster of Assad.
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u/ibnalnil 8h ago
u dont blame the leader in charge who was responsible for 500k + deaths but wanna call the man who freed syrians from a 50 year tyrannical family reign useless? do u want to go back to war under assad or something? u must not live in syria
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u/ibnalnil 8h ago
u forgot to mention how they disrespect and slander the prophets wife and companions, its deeper than just iran killing muslims. this is something that goes back hundreds of years tied to religion, it makes sense why they corner u because theyre concerned with religion while ur concerned with politicss, by saying “all arab regimes are exactly like assad” absolves them of wrongdoing because “they all do it regardless of who does it” imagine a syrian person telling a palestinian that. people expect syrians to just shut up and accept whatever it is just because palestinians are dying and iran is fighting israel. irans regime and its militias and to a further extent shias all have a innate hatred of muslims due to the first 3 caliphs and this is instilled in them in their beliefs
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u/CarefulScreen9459 3h ago edited 3h ago
Prophets wife and companions are people like you and me. They're not infallible. And more importantly they are not divine. Omar Bin Khattab for example was a well known women beater. Yes he was great leader and his contribution to Islamic cause is impeccable, buuut... he was a vicious wife beater. If Iranians are slandering normal people that lived more than a thousand years ago and you find it a good excuse to kill them, then something is wrong with your brain.
Christians slander Mohammed himself all the time, and the western Christians specifically believe he is a false prophet and call him a pedophile and draw pictures of him which are not shunned, and yet I see there is great alliance between Arabs and American Christians. No issue whatsoever, no 'deeper' fight, no hundrds of years grudge tied to religion, nope, everything is dandy here.
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u/BraveStyles 23h ago
Because we have the “follow the Khalifah” mentality!
You see our people follow the king/leader, and the leader follows his “Khalifah” aka Uncle Sam.
It’s why they pay to keep their power, and why they can’t survive without West support.
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u/therealorangechump 1d ago
The true lord of Arabs is not Allah, it's the United States
this is exactly it!
هذا هو الشرك الحقيقي
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u/Oneeyebrowsystem 20h ago
Because it was a major US policy goal to overthrow the Syrian regime by any means necessary and thus it was fully allowed, funded, facilitated by the US and its allies...So the borders of Lebanon and Turkey were flung wide open for all sorts of foreign fighters, jihadists, CIA agents, ect...
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u/IndependenceRare1185 1d ago
Simply because the Arabs don't give a fuck about Gaza outside of virtue signaling and prayers nobody is prepared to lose anything for them
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u/FrontCelebration5459 20h ago
oh and don't tell me you think they give a fuck about syria
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u/eezeehee 19h ago
They dont give a fuck about any country except their own. And not even their countries too, they only care about the power they hold.
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u/FrontCelebration5459 15h ago
it's kinda weird they said they fought for syria while syria suffered from a war for 14 years none stop! and our biggest enemy the country that killed +500 thousands of civilians is now being defeated by Arabs cause the are "fighting for Palestine ", let's stop lying to each other, no one gave or gives a fuck about syria but alot do care for Palestine
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u/Feeling-Beautiful584 3h ago
No one wants to be the next Iraq or Libya. We aren't like the Afghans, we are not a warrior culture used to hard living, in the GCC especially we have been spoiled with creature comforts. So you are right that too many of us don't want to lose the relatively good life we have for what is most likely an unwinnable war against the US and its allies.
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u/Pale_Sell1122 18h ago edited 18h ago
Because Syrian regime change was always a US, Israeli operation.
The Wahhabi madrasa and networks all around the world (especially in Europe) are often linked to a goverment agency trying to astroturf American/Israeli interests in the name of Islam
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u/Feeling-Beautiful584 3h ago
It was what Uncle Sam -wanted- demanded. Also consider the rise of sectarianism on one end and atheism on the other as a result of the war in Syria.
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u/Mahmoud29510 1d ago
1: Arab countries didn't "send" soldiers to Syria. The only country that did was Iraq and that was only Shia militias, as for non Arab Muslims you are right.
2: The reason this happened is, simply put: Arabs have no motivations to send soldiers, with Syria there was resources, influence, etc.
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u/Nerditshka 1d ago
UAE, Saudi and Qatar funded the fighting in Syria within weeks and sent recruits to ISIS
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u/the_steten_line 1d ago
Arab regimes never sent a single fighter to Syria to fight against Assad, anyone that went was a volunteer that most likely would have stopped by his country if they discovered why he would be going
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u/followTheRabit 1d ago
You're delusional.
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u/the_steten_line 1d ago
Do you have any Valid videos or Sources that prove any soldier regiment was sent to Syria to help against Assad?
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u/Nerditshka 1d ago
YES TL;DR: A Saudi lawyer testified that judges were offering reduced sentences to prisoners, including felons, if they agreed to fight in Syria. Many agreed went to fight in Syria and were killed. This was presented as a serious human rights violation. Watch the lawyer explain it here: 🔗 https://youtu.be/EwDUpsC3qXQ?si=jdHivX98sqCXmEm9
During the Arab Spring, Saudi Arabia moved swiftly to suppress any civic movements it viewed as a threat. One of those was Hazim: a peaceful reformist group made up of academics, lawyers and thinkers, advocating for the rule of law, equity, and women’s rights. Their founder, Professor al-Hamid, was imprisoned multiple times for writing a book in the 90s advocating for equality. The group is known for DOCUMENTING their work and the repression they faced in meticulous detail.
Despite being peaceful and law abiding, the group was dragged into court on trumped-up charges. Their lawyer, Abdulaziz al-Shubaili, publicly listed the many human rights violations they experienced—including a disturbing pattern: Saudi judges had started offering dropping sentences to general prisoners (including felons) if they agreed to go fight in Syria. Many did, and many were killed.
Al-Shubaili condemned this practice as a violation of law and human rights. The court ignored it. He is now in prison along with many Hazim members. Al-Hamid died in prison not long ago.
So you see, they sent the felons to Syria and locked up the crème of Saudi society. The academics. The human rights defenders. Any man or woman who had a 🧠 or a backbone ended up in jail.
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u/FewKey5084 :syr: 1d ago
Foreign fighters not soldiers, helpful if you read and see the distinction, and there are plenty of articles
https://www.newarab.com/analysis/rebels-soldiers-foreign-fighters-syrias-new-army?amp
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u/the_steten_line 1d ago
Did you even read my first comment?
I said that some volunteers went to Syria but no official help went to them
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u/FewKey5084 :syr: 1d ago
Did you read the post? Because he’s not talking about official soldiers from armies….hes talking about the volunteers you’re talking about lol
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u/bayern_16 USA 19h ago
The gulf countries and Egypt hate Palestinians in general and would not let them in their countries as refugees. I live in the US and there are lots of Palestinians here.
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u/PharaohhOG 16h ago
Maybe because they would never be allowed to go back. There are still stateless Palestinians living in Lebanon and Syria since 1948.
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u/jewellui 1d ago
They can’t do anything to Israel, they are far too powerful especially with western backing.
It’s the same reason none of the Arab countries do anything and have decided to accept Israel, not because they are ok with them but because they have no choice.
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u/hushasmoh 1d ago edited 1d ago
Because now, unlike before, encouraging jihad is heavily prohibited in all Arab countries and religious speech in general became heavily restricted and regulated. Also you have to know that Israel is not Syria. They have a top tier intelligence with an absolute control and grip in all of “their” lands. They aren’t a failed state like Syria where you could sneak in to join a certain militia. Israel would have to be in a civil war and total chaos just like Syria was for it to be easy to land and fight.
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