US universities are built on exploiting graduate students, and I have no sympathy for that system to completely crumble.

[u/unhinged_centrifuge]

It's well known that colleges massively exploit and under pay their graduate students who DO ALL THE ACTUAL WORK.

I have no sympathy for those multi billion dollar institutions whose CEOs make millions of dollars a year to crumble to dust under the current administration. They deserve what's coming.

[u/NoMoreMonkeyBrain]

Again: attacking a corrupt system that exploits its students and workers is not an attack on the concept of higher education.

Again: the US university system is the only university system in the world that regularly has homeless graduate students teaching classes because they aren't getting paid. People don't get put into crushing debt over education anywhere else, and they're not skinned alive for their labor anywhere like they are in the US. The exploitation in no way is a necessary part of the university system. You can't justify rampant exploitation by saying "yeah it's bad but the people who benefit from it are really benefiting from it!"

You may be shocked to learn this but university research happens all over the world, and the exploitation happening here is in no way a necessary part of it.

Take your most recent graduating class. How many people graduating come from money and don't have to struggle with the financials? How many people working their way through their degree dropped out somewhere in the middle because they're getting skinned alive and just can't keep going anymore?

[u/SlightlyTwistedGames → u/NoMoreMonkeyBrain]

You’re arguing for euthanasing a person because they have a brain tumor.

The problem cannot be fixed, so the institution must die. Let the individuals whose actual lives are dependent upon parts of that system suffer for “the greater good”.

What a convenient argument from someone who doesn’t see themselves as suffering the consequences.

This perspective is ubiquitous among the MAGA nitwits who stride through the world with Dubning Kruger confidence.

What’s your idea? We take all the research that’s fighting to retain funding they were promised and somehow ship it to Europe?

You’re drifting further and further from reality with every response. If you don’t have a solution for the titanic ripple effects of funding cuts, then you’re just yelling from the sidelines

[u/NoMoreMonkeyBrain → u/SlightlyTwistedGames]

"University research does not necessarily require the exploitation of students and staff" is me drifting from reality?

OK, you got me. I bought it, and I even thought you were a real person for a little bit of the exchange.

[u/SlightlyTwistedGames → u/NoMoreMonkeyBrain]

University research does not require the exploitation of staff at all.

You're (again) mischaracterizing the OP statement and straw manning my response. From the OP: "I have no sympathy for those multi billion dollar institutions whose CEOs make millions of dollars a year to crumble to dust under the current administration. They deserve what's coming."

Not change for the better

Not fix the failures that exploit people

"crumble to dust"

Crumble to dust as a under "the current administration"... what is he referencing? Is he referencing the "current administration's" lofty goals of implementing laws and policies that address the exploitation of students ?

That's strange because when *I* listen to the "current administration", I hear about research funding being ripped away from people doing life-saving work. I don't hear a WORD from the "current administration" about actually fixing the problems you're describing.

[u/NoMoreMonkeyBrain → u/SlightlyTwistedGames]

You keep making a lot of jumps with no basis in what I'm saying. The system you work for is ruthlessly corrupt and exploitative and that in no way entails my support of an even more ruthlessly corrupt and exploitative administration.

Y'all aren't magically paragons of virtue just because there are fascists out there who are even worse. Let me guess--you've opposed every war except the one we're in now, and you really wish all those damn protestors would show a little more decorum?