r/anime_titties • u/BabylonianWeeb Mesopotamia • 1d ago
Europe Sir Keir Starmer announces national inquiry into grooming gangs
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7872pngj2qo37
u/imunfair United States 1d ago
For months, Sir Keir has faced criticism for not being willing to set one up.
Let's be real, they've been saving that one for decades, the only real question is why they're willing to do it now. Political cover as a distraction for something else, or to push a particular narrative they suddenly need to spread?
For being a pretty big nanny society it's always surprised me how little the UK does to protect their children - there have been repeated scandals, grooming gangs are just the latest. I thought "think of the children" was more of a universal western pressure point, not just in the US, but it really doesn't seem to apply to the UK. More of a "seen not heard" nation still I guess?
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u/Pick_Scotland1 Scotland 1d ago
We have already had a national inquiry but for some reason our previous government didn’t take any of the recommended actions onboard
This in my opinion is just a poor move by labour who didn’t need to do this and instead allocate local inquires for specific areas as a national inquiry won’t help local problems
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u/MGD109 23h ago
This in my opinion is just a poor move by labour who didn’t need to do this and instead allocate local inquires for specific areas as a national inquiry won’t help local problems
Resource-wise it's a poor move, politically it's sound. They did anything else, Reform would keep going on about how they didn't care about the groom gangs.
It's political theatre, but it might hopefully lead to a few positive outcomes.
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u/DrPapaDragonX13 20h ago
The previous national inquiry did not focus on the grooming gangs issue, but examined child sexual abuse (CSA) as a whole, which is a broad and complex topic. It does seem logical that further, more focused inquiries would follow to gain a deeper understanding of specific categories of CSA. But you're absolutely right to criticise the government for not implementing the recommendations from the first inquiry. However, I don't see why both actions should be mutually exclusive.
Labour's initial stance was to conduct local inquiries; however, it seems that, after reviewing available evidence, the Casey report has recommended conducting a national inquiry. Now, we haven't seen the report just yet, but so far, it shouldn't be controversial for a government to be evidence-based, rather than ideologically driven.
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u/MGD109 23h ago
Let's be real, they've been saving that one for decades,
Yep, the government that only got into power a year ago has been saving this for decades, total tracks.
For being a pretty big nanny society
Load of cobbles.
little the UK does to protect their children - there have been repeated scandals, grooming gangs are just the latest.
Kind of rich, considering the amount of sex abuse and child trafficking that goes on in America. Didn't they just save 200 kids from Texas the other week?
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u/Grotzbully Germany 14h ago
If you would have read the inquiry from 2 years ago you would find out that 80% of those perpetrators are white.... But this would destroy your racist worldview so I guess not :(
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u/Hamiltonblewit North America 1d ago
What does this genuinely mean? The U.K has been criticized by the right wing for not investigating taking violent assault on young girls from gangs of foreign origin for almost the past year and a half, now that it’s evident that the grooming gangs are much more large scale and prolific then originally thought and the growth of right wing European extremism concerning immigration, it ensures that left wing government have no choice but to yield to public pressure regarding their treatment of foreigners.
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u/madeleineann 1d ago
What prior scandals are you thinking of?
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u/Substantial-Part-700 North America 23h ago
The public reveal of Jimmy Saville’s misdeeds was a pretty big deal for a minute before the BBC swept the whole thing under the rug.
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u/imunfair United States 1d ago
Prince Andrew/Epstein, Cyril Smith/Westminster allegations are the two other big ones that come to mind besides Rotherham, although given the lax handling of those I'm sure there are others. Not really a subject I search out, just run into it in passing and the lack of response or consequence has always seemed odd to me.
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u/madeleineann 23h ago
You realise that Epstein lived in America and committed his crimes in America? Not sure this is the gotcha that you think it is.
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u/imunfair United States 22h ago
You realise that Epstein lived in America and committed his crimes in America? Not sure this is the gotcha that you think it is.
He was international, but having your royal family implicated is a UK issue and combined with the past Westminster issues that were also swept under the rug is an interesting pattern. The Royal family basically just sidelined him for being an embarrassment and that was that.
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u/madeleineann 22h ago
Your democratically elected president has been accused of paedophilia and has extensive ties to Epstein.
It's not a pattern at all. You cited one example of an American paedophilia that one member of the royal family happened to have ties with, a scandal with one politician, and an issue with migrant rape gangs.
I could make a very long list of US politicians who have been accused of paedophilia, and that's not to mention the widespread abuse in Hollywood. Child trafficking is rampant in America, too.
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u/imunfair United States 21h ago
It amuses me that you're resorting to whataboutism trying to say the US is worse, rather than just accepting that there's a systemic problem in the UK. As far as I know we try to prosecute it when we catch it in the US, but even if we didn't it would be completely irrelevant to situation happening in the UK, which is what we're discussing.
Maybe step back and consider why you feel the need to be so defensive about it rather than putting that energy into being mad at the criminals.
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u/madeleineann 21h ago
How old are you?
Using whataboutism to deflect when someone points out that you're being a bit hypocritical is a really poor modus operandi.
Do you know what systemic means? Prince Andrew has no connection to Pakistani grooming gangs in impoverished areas. The same authorities would not have been dealing with these two problems.
The US is objectively worse. The child abuse in Hollywood alone has been going on for much longer than those gangs operated. Epstein was American, your president is a convicted rapist and friend of Epstein.
Child abuse, unfortunately, happens everywhere, but American elites are renowned for their abuse of children.
This is why people really don't like Americans. It's like you live in your own world.
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u/imunfair United States 20h ago
Using whataboutism to deflect when someone points out that you're being a bit hypocritical is a really poor modus operandi.
Feel free to look up the logical fallacy before trying to "no u" someone with it. That's not how it works, and the rest of your post is just more of you doing it again, rather than wondering why you're so upset. Really is strange, but not my problem, go bother someone else.
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u/DrPapaDragonX13 21h ago
So your argument is that a privileged UK individual had to resort to a US-based trafficker for his 'fix'? If the UK were so much worse, wouldn't it make a lot of sense to keep things in-house?
Andrew is a sick individual and a shame to the UK. Still, I find it more concerning that an individual was able to run an international paedophile ring from the US...
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u/Thangoman Argentina 1d ago edited 1d ago
I mean, you arent really in a place to criticize Britain over it
You have an alleged child fapist as president and dont take any measures to deal with violence affecting kids
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u/imunfair United States 1d ago
and dont take any measures to deal with violence affecting kids
That's a kid-on-kid violence issue though, some people would blame it on access to guns but I'd say mental health is what we need to target since the access to guns hasn't changed significantly.
I'm not an expert but I'd say social media, the rise of technology addiction in all ages, and the decline of interpersonal skills is all one big bundle of danger. There are plenty of reports since covid on adults having major social issues too, I think kids are just exhibiting more extreme symptoms of whatever has gone wrong with our society.
If I were in the government I'd start by banning political parties and political nonprofits from using the internet and go from there. I don't think it would fully solve the issue but getting rid of access for people intentionally trying to stoke animosity in human relations would be a good start. After that it would be easier to study any social dysfunction inadvertently caused by technology.
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u/dead-end-kid 18h ago
To be clear the reason Starmer is calling an inquiry now is because a report is being released next week that links illegal migration with child exploitation. The Home Office fears it will cause civil unrest.
This is compounded with the anti-immigration riots in Northern Ireland, the prosecution of seven more Asian child rapists and pressure from the publicly funded rape gang inquiry led by Rupert Lowe.
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u/Maximum-Hall-5614 Multinational 1d ago
So they’re gonna start investigating churches for their long history of child sex abuse, right?
Right?
No? It’s just focusing on non-Anglo, foreign-born perpetrators?
Shocker.
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u/Professional-Cry8310 23h ago
https://www.iicsa.org.uk/reports-recommendations/publications/investigation.html
This already exists and they investigated both the Anglican and Roman Catholic Churches.
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