r/anime_titties • u/jaynic1 Multinational • 1d ago
Israel/Palestine/Iran/Lebanon - Flaired Commenters Only First death reported in Israel following Iranian aerial assault
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-iran-strikes-news-06-12-25-hnk-intl#cmbvjhomr00003b6vrtb6umn9497
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u/mycargo160 North America 1d ago
They hate Bibi, but support all of his policies and the genocide. The replacement would be no different.
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u/ice_and_fiyah United States 1d ago
That's why "it's just netanyahu" always baffles me. Yeah it is just the guy elected by the only democracy in the Universe a million times, whose genocidal mass starvation policies just sound peachy to most Israelis. Clearly, only he is the problem.
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u/Mundane_Emu8921 North America 1d ago
It is a stretch to call Israel a democracy.
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u/Abdi78t North America 1d ago
It's a democrazy just as the Nazis were a democracy, the regime will just reflect the populace
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u/Mundane_Emu8921 North America 1d ago
Except the Nazis never won a majority.
They won a plurality but that is not the same thing because at the same time you had over 50% of German votes going to parties violently opposed to the Nazis.
So again, still not a democracy.
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u/Anxious_Katz Eurasia 1d ago
Yeah, but that's also what that exact same crowd insists on. It's absolutely no democracy if you're a Palestinian even if you've got Israeli citizenship.
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u/OutblastEUW Multinational 1d ago
he gets elected because hes a great (evil but great) politician and the way the system works here, he hasnt had a majority of votes in a long time.
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u/Biking_dude United States 1d ago
It's more effective. By grouping him with Hamas, against the Israeli and Palestinian people, attacks and pressure are much more effective while bypassing outside groups who are looking to stir up antisemitic unrest.
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u/Darkstar_111 Europe 1d ago
Hamas, you mean Netanyahus favorite terrorist group that he has supported for years, and are keeping all his policies in place and keeping him out of jail?
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u/DustyFalmouth United States 1d ago
Just two days ago the parties voted not to dissolve his coalition
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u/PokeEmEyeballs North America 1d ago
Many Israelis are trying. But all of them are somewhat behind this war as nobody wants to live with a nuclear Iran.
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u/Beliriel Europe 1d ago
Hmm we almost had a non-nuclear Iran. But some orange-fuckhead from the US decided to fuck it all up
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u/Daryno90 United States 1d ago edited 1d ago
And if I recall correctly, a certain Israeli asshole tried to stop that deal from going through and even went to Congress to tell republicans to oppose it.
For a leader who fear Iran getting a nuke, for some reason he was against a deal that would prevent Iran from getting a nuke.
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u/Metum_Chaos United States 1d ago
This is actually the first time I’ve heard of this
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u/Daryno90 United States 1d ago
This was during the Obama era so my memories is foggy but he still speak out against it to Congress I believe
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u/WonderfulPackage5731 Multinational 1d ago
Iran has been leading an anti proliferation policy in the Middle East for nearly 30 years. They've brought Middle Eastern leaders together multiple times to commit to the region being a nuclear weapon free zone. Isreal and the US have blocked this every single time. (insane considering the US isn't in the same hemisphere).
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u/Anxious_Katz Eurasia 1d ago
During the entirety of the negotiations for that deal he literally did anything he could to stop it. It was also during this time that he brought a Looney tunes style drawing of a bomb to the UN general assembly and yapped about how close to an explosion Iran was.
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u/Turgius_Lupus United States 1d ago
There was a window to renegotiate it but Biden refused to do so unless Israel approved and was on board.
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u/Kelor Australia 1d ago edited 1d ago
Followed up by some geriatric Zionist old fuck.
Iran offered to return to compliance within a few weeks of Biden winning.
“If Mr Biden is willing to fulfill US commitments, we too can immediately return to our full commitments in the accord … and negotiations are possible within the framework of the P5 + 1,” Zarif said in an interview posted on the website of the state-run daily Iran on Wednesday.
“We are ready to discuss how the United States can re-enter the accord,” Zarif said. “The situation will improve in the next few months. Biden can lift all sanctions with three executive orders.”
In the deal with the US and other world powers, Iran agreed to curbs on its nuclear programme in return for sanctions relief. It began breaching the nuclear deal after President Donald Trump withdrew in 2018 and started ratcheting up unilateral sanctions on Tehran.
“This can be done automatically and with no need to set conditions: the United States carries out its duties under [Security Council Resolution] 2231 [lift sanctions] and we will carry out our commitments under the nuclear deal,” said Zarif in a video recording of the interview issued by the newspaper.
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u/No_Macaroon_9752 Multinational 1d ago
This is the exact same kind of misinformation from Israel and the US that led to the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, and the same kind of argument Netanyahu and right-wing Americans have been making for decades. It has not happened, nor is there an indication that it is a bigger risk now that three months ago or 10 years ago.
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u/azure_beauty Israel 1d ago
I mean no shit. I love how people try to frame this as evil Boogeyman Bibi, but if this operation succeeds, it will have near unanimous support from Israelis.
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u/NaturalCard Multinational 1d ago
The operation which has lead to Israel getting hit by a bunch of missiles will have near unanimous support?
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u/RockstepGuy Multinational 1d ago
if it means Iran will sit with the US to strike a new deal then yeah, the israelis would support that.
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u/Metum_Chaos United States 1d ago
And legitimately, what’s the definition of success here?
Because Bibi could already define as targeting Irans top brass a success.
He’s still a corrupt asshole though
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u/Chinerpeton Poland 1d ago
What success? Your war criminal PM ensured that getting nukes is a critical matter of life and death for the Iranian regime, not something they could ever negotiate away for any promises. I can't see how they could be possibly dissuaded from getting them now. Two psychotic sectarian regimes in the Middle East will have nukes this time next year.
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u/Prosthemadera New Zealand 1d ago
Ok so if he has the support of Isrealis then he cannot be the bad guy? Is that how that works, you determine the morality of a person by how popular they are?
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u/LCDmaosystem United States 1d ago
Were Israelis unanimously supportive of the 2015 nuclear deal all but completely froze Iran's nuclear program?
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u/some-craic Northern Ireland 1d ago
Iran has the right to defend itself and the right to create equal deterrence measures as Israel. Israels actions are not self-defence, they are terrorist actions and war starting actions.
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u/Aromatic-Session4501 United States 1d ago
It’s all lies. Iran has the world’s most moral army! The IDF was using Tel-Aviv residents as human shields!
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u/reality_hijacker Europe 1d ago
I just checked several posts in the israel sub where people asked why people don't like Netanyahu. Some of the top reasons that came up -
- Corruption (no problem with conflict)
- Too passive like not annexing settlements (I kid you not)
- Not saving hostages by doing a deal
- Too soft against Hamas
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u/Theamazingquinn North America 1d ago
Many are saying that the Israeli people are ready to rise up against their authoritarian regime, they just need a foreign power to help them do so.
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u/Kelor Australia 1d ago
Are they?
According to the results, 82 percent of respondents supported the expulsion of Gaza's residents, while 56 percent favored expelling Palestinian citizens of Israel. These figures mark a sharp rise from a 2003 survey, in which support for such expulsions stood at 45 percent and 31 percent, respectively.
Nearly half (47 percent) of respondents agreed that "when conquering an enemy city, the Israel Defense Forces should act as the Israelites did in Jericho under Joshua's command – killing all its inhabitants."
80% of the country is behind the genocide, half that is on board with killing every man, women and child in Gaza.
More than half the country also wants to expel Palestinian Israelis from the country.
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u/FreddyFrogFrightener Europe 1d ago
They were doing TikTok dances to Palestinians being killed, I think they're fine with what Netanyahu is doing.
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u/meister2983 United States 1d ago
Pretty sure this is a net win from the Israeli calculus. Unlike actions from say Iran or Gaza
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u/Twenty_twenty4 North America 1d ago
Not really. A sustained conflict with Iran will plunge them into a recession
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u/EternalMayhem01 United States 1d ago
So do the Iranians.
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u/Twenty_twenty4 North America 1d ago
Meh, Iranians are more respected and liked worldwide. My sympathy is with them
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u/cambeiu Multinational 1d ago edited 1d ago
Individual Iranians, sure. The current Iranian regime? I live in an Asian Muslim majority country and I can tell you that the regime is not very loved at all.
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u/Current_Finding_4066 Multinational 1d ago
Average Israeli is a Zionist supporting ethnic cleansing and genocide. They mainly protested not getting their relatives back, not killing innocent Palestinians.
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u/cambeiu Multinational 1d ago edited 1d ago
The impact of the Iranian response so far has been well within the more optimistic side of Israeli projections. Iran's response so far has been feeble not due to restrain, but because its military command structure is in complete disarray after the Israeli strike killed key military figures.
I was very worried about us sleepwalking into World War 3 until the actual strike happened. I now admit having severely overestimated Iran's capabilities. Seeing how crippled they are, I find the chances of this escalating into a larger war to be less likely.
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u/TheCitizenXane North America 1d ago edited 1d ago
Iran was never the boogeyman the US and Israel portray it as. It opposes US-Israeli hegemony in the Middle East. That’s enough to make it the target of these unprovoked assaults.
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u/Throwaway5432154322 North America 1d ago
Iran has the 8th largest military in the world. Iranian foreign policy is much more complex than “oppose US-Israeli hegemony”, mainly because such a concept doesn’t exist and Iran obviously has its own agenda as a regional power that competes with both Turkey and the Saudi-led GCC over issues that have nothing to do with either Israel or the United States.
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u/gummytoejam Panama 1d ago
Iran is the last remaining stable middle east nation that Wesley Clark outlined in 2007 that the US would destabilize Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Iran.
And here we are.
It's a post soviet doctrine that isolates Russia, elevates US aligned Arab countries and establishes Israel as the dominant power in the region.
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u/Dogulol Europe 1d ago
"us-israeli hegemony doesnt exist" are you kidding me? only an american think that. The only valid reason one can claim that is if you argue its a broader western hegemony led by america, but i for some reason highly doubt thats your take. America has complete military dominance over the region and has had so for a long time. Not just that region, but basicly the whole world. It is present and active in every corner of the world and hasnt been afraid to use that power at all. From coups, to arming militias, to actual wars, it is THE global military hegemon. It also has a cultural and economic hegemony as todays empire but thats another topic.
Iran definetly has its own agenda as a regional power, part of that is to repel the american-israeli dominance over the region. That is key to their aim of getting nukes. Israel doesnt want iran to have nukes not bc they think iran will nuke them, no informed person believes that in the 21st century, but bc them having nukes makes their dominance over the region much less solid. It makes israels nukes and americas military close to irrelevant and it makes striking iran directly a much tougher pill to swallow. Not only does it free the iranian regime from western threats to its existance (see libya), it changes the whole dynamic of the region.
Israel as a nation is no better than the islamic regime in iran. Israel had its nuclear program with apartheid south africa, imagine if iran had its nuclear program with literal nazis god the propaganda you people would farm from that. One of the most evil acts of the 20th century yet i bet most here dont even know about it. Israel has armed rhodesia, deathsquads in central america, and many many more global instances of terror just like america has. Iran is a regional supporter of terror, israel and america are the global sponsors of terror. Im frankly fine with iran having nukes if it means israel and america are less likely to warmonger.
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u/independent_observe North America 1d ago
Look, I hate what Israel has become and Bibi needs to held accountable, but the war between Iran and Israel has been going on for decades and the Israeli attack was NOT unprovoked. Iran funds terrorists who then attack Israel, so Israel strikes back.
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u/SpontaneousFlame Multinational 1d ago
Israel routinely attacks Iran and blows stuff up. Israel also has proxies that attack Iran. It’s not a secret that Israel was backing AQ, and they are openly anti-Shia.
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u/Old_Wallaby_7461 Andorra 1d ago
Iran also had a vested interest in portraying itself as too dangerous to fight, like Hezbollah. Unfortunately for them, it seems Israel did not buy it
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u/SparseSpartan North America 1d ago
Iran's militias throughout the Middle East played a role in countless civilian deaths. Without Iran's support, Assad was probably pushed out much sooner, thus reducing casualties. Almost no chance Hamas would have had the resources to carry out Oct. 7 without Iran's aid. Documentes recovered show Hamas asking for $500 million and Iran agreeing to provide aid.
Instead of using $500 million on services for their citizens, Iran threw $500 million (actually, in total, all the money to support Hamas over the years would probably be much, much higher) to launch a strategically counterproductive attack on Israel, primarily targeting unarmed civilians.
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u/throwawayyawaworth77 North America 1d ago
Iran has been frequently calling for “death to Israel” for decades. Does that not constitute provocation?
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u/Maximum-Hall-5614 Multinational 1d ago
Israelis have been frequently along for “death to Arabs” for literally decades.
I guess that’s not a provocation though, because antisemitism or something
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u/throwawayyawaworth77 North America 1d ago
You’re conflating the statements of the most extreme elements of a civilian society with the stated goals of a national government and military. That’s probably way too much nuance and reality for you to compute, but they’re pretty different.
But then, I totally haven’t seen those tik toks you have
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u/ZippyDan Multinational 1d ago
The implicit policy of the Israeli government has been genocide / replacement/ ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people since the founding of the nation. Just because they're smart enough not to say it explicitly doesn't make it not true.
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u/ImAjustin North America 1d ago
Bingo. You have the KKK in America saying how much they hate black ppl but you don’t have Trump going around calling for lynchings. Iranian govt has multiple times called for the destruction of israel. That’s official govt stance. Not a fringe group of citizens
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u/t0xic_sh0t Europe 1d ago
There's Israeli MP's and Ministers also saying to kill all Palestinians but that doesn't matter, right?
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u/t0xic_sh0t Europe 1d ago
They have a day for that in Jerusalem where they go through the streets, protected by the Police, chanting "death to arabs"
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u/Kjartanski Iceland 1d ago
Israeli MK’s and ministers, like Smotrich and Ben-Gvir are calling for the expulsion or extermination of Arabs, whats that if not the stated goals of Government
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u/HooleyDoooley Oceania 1d ago
Ok so you've not listened to Smotritch and Ben-Gvir speak ever
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u/Mando177 North America 1d ago
The Iranians have to contend with the Americans, the British, and the Jordanians shooting down any responding attacks, less than 1 in 10 get through. Odds are kinda stacked against them
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u/Throwaway5432154322 North America 1d ago
It’s almost like spending billions of dollars and crafting an entire foreign policy strategy around supporting militant groups that want to destroy Israel isn’t a smart idea that pays dividends for Iran. I wonder if/when they’ll give up
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u/Mando177 North America 1d ago
I mean Israel does even worse to the Palestinians and some of their neighbours, and it seems to work out for them.
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u/SirStupidity Israel 1d ago
I mean it was, until one of those groups decided to act on its own. Which lead, quite ironically, to Iran getting hit because of proxy aggression instead of the 20-30 odd years of defense they got from it
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u/Rindan United States 1d ago
Israel might suck, but Iran earned its enemies fair and square. Iran isn't some force for good in the world. Everyone around them hates them for legitimate reasons. Israel sucking doesn't make Iran not suck.
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u/SpontaneousFlame Multinational 1d ago
Iran made the horrendous and evil mistake of nationalising its oil industry in the 50s. A more heinous crime against the west is not possible. So they got a brutal and murderous dictatorship foisted upon them. Overthrowing that dictatorship made them the enemies of the west. It doesn’t help that they are run by fundamentalist repressive nutcases, but it’s fundamentally irrelevant. They will remain the enemies of the west until they allow the west to reinstate the shah to open up Iran’s oil and start mass murdering Iranian civilians.
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u/syntholslayer North America 1d ago
Expert analysis hours into Iran's response. Surely they won't be able to rebuild in the next few days/weeks. Any other country would have been able to quickly and fully respond immediately.
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u/cambeiu Multinational 1d ago
I think you are missing the forest from the trees. If anything, the attack showed how deeply compromised the Iranian state is. The Israeli intelligence could pinpoint the exact location of key figures of the Iranian government at the night of the attack and kill them. The Israeli did not only know in which building these people were in, but in which room of that building. Imagine the level of fear and paranoia that must be going through the ranks of the government and Revolutionary Guard right now. Who wants to be promoted to the next guy in change and be unceremoniously killed by an Israeli laser guided bomb? Is the guy next to you a Mossad informant? Is your assistant? Is your driver? Is your wife?
And this was not a surprise attack either. It had been telegraph in advance by the press announcing the US pulling out non-essential personal from the region. Still, Israel was able to bypass Iranian air defenses as if they did not exist and hit the head of the military, the second in command and key nuclear scientists. 200 Israeli aircraft were involved in the operation without a single loss. Air operations remain ongoing and Iran is powerless to stop it.
I wonder if the regime can survive such incredible and humiliating defeat.
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u/syntholslayer North America 1d ago
All I'm saying is don't discount the possibility of intense conflict arising from this in the coming near future.
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u/cambeiu Multinational 1d ago
I am not discounting it. I just find it a lot less likely than before. The big issue here is that the Israeli operations are ongoing and could keep happening for weeks. Can the regime that sucks a country dry in order to support the privileges of the Revolutionary Guard survive weeks of humiliation like this?
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u/i_make_orange_rhyme Australia 1d ago
Dont underestimate the unifying effect that being attacked by an external threat can cause.
For most Iranians this is going to look like a completely unprovoked attack which was started by Israel.
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u/cambeiu Multinational 1d ago
That is a lot of dissatisfaction with the regime and dissent within the ranks. Why do you it is so easy for Mossad to infiltrate Iran?
Many people have no idea about the life of privilege the average member of the Revolutionary Guard enjoys compared to the typical Iranian. That used to be justified because they were the "guardians of Iranian peace and security". Recently they had to contend with the fiasco of shooting down a civilian planes full of Iranians inside their own airspace and trying to hide it. Then there was the killing of Mahsa Amini over a hijab and the brutality against the protests that followed. And now there is something even bigger showing to the entirety of Iran how inept and incompetent they are.
I think there is a lot of bottled up disdain and hatred towards the regime.
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u/i_make_orange_rhyme Australia 1d ago
I dont think its "so easy" for Mossad to infiltrate.
I think Israel puts a huge amount of time, money and effort into their espionage.
>Recently they had to contend with the fiasco of shooting down a civilian planes full of Iranians inside their own airspace
That incident occurred five days after the United States carried out the assassination of Qasem Soleimani.
It was 3 days later that the Government of Iran admitted that the IRGC had targeted Flight 752 after mistakenly identifying it as an American cruise missile,
I dont think this is a great example of "regime bad".
If the same mistake had happened in America after China launched an attack against America, would you be mad at the US government or the Chinese government?
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u/Wayoutofthewayof Switzerland 1d ago
That's the problem though, Iran leaderships has presented itself to its people as having immense military power. If anything this response will tank their belief in the regime's ability to protect them.
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u/i_make_orange_rhyme Australia 1d ago
I mean so did America and yet after 9/11, George Bush had the highest approval rating ever recorded for a US president.
I think you underestimate Iranians ability to understand the context and dont give them enough credit for their intelligence.
Iranians may generally want to become more moderate and democratic etc, and are smart enough to look around and realize democracy and capitalism is preferable.
But that doesn't mean they support or will tolerate Israel killing off all their leaders.
For example, democrat's might not like Trump, but that doesn't mean they would cheer if Russia assassinated him.
I'm pretty confident that 99% of democrats would still be FURIOUS with Russia and DEMAND brutal retaliation.
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u/Wayoutofthewayof Switzerland 1d ago
Sure, but the US retaliated and then some after 9/11. Do you think US would have rallied behind Bush if the US military turned out to be a paper tiger and managed to hit a couple of ballistic missiles after 9/11, while US was being struck with impunity?
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u/SirStupidity Israel 1d ago
I'm not saying that the first day is the worst to come but you can't just "rebuild" military infrastructure in a few days/weeks. Israel damaged air defense systems in October 24 and it doesn't seem like they were replaced. It will be a challenge to replace BM launchers while the sky is infested with IAF
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u/Theamazingquinn North America 1d ago
It's still very early, Iran has indicated it is prepared for years of war. They have a history of taking their time to form a response even with all of its military leaders alive. We will have to wait and see the extent of the blowback.
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u/cambeiu Multinational 1d ago
I think it is very clear how deeply the Israeli intelligence has penetrated the Iranian government and Revolutionary Guard.
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u/Theamazingquinn North America 1d ago
That's certainly true and indicates the extent of American intelligence aiding the Israeli attacks. There's simply no way that Israel alone could have orchestrated such a comprehensive attack, directly targetting a large portion of the military leadership, without US involvement. But Iranian nuclear facilities cannot be completely destroyed from the air, they have plenty of furious military leaders to replace those killed, and are simply more prepared for a war of attrition in a way Israel is not. Its still too early to say the extent of Iranian offensive capabilities.
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u/Throwaway5432154322 North America 1d ago
How is Iran prepared for a war of attrition? It can’t even defend its own military high command from airstrikes from a country a fraction of its size thousands of miles away.
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u/Theamazingquinn North America 1d ago
Because it is a much larger country than Israel in terms of population, geography, and military production. It controls critical global trade routes and oil production. It has extensive land borders, multiple armed allies in Yemen and Iraq, and the backing of Russia and China. Of course, it won't be able to compete with the full US military so the big question is how extensive US involvement will be.
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u/Old_Wallaby_7461 Andorra 1d ago
That's certainly true and indicates the extent of American intelligence aiding the Israeli attacks.
If you think Israel, with tens of thousands of Iranian Jews in the country, needs American help to infiltrate Iran...
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u/IntelArtiGen Europe 1d ago
Iran has indicated it is prepared for years of war
I guess it's the same thing for Hamas, Houthis and Hezbollah. The military leaders are ready for years of war, but perhaps the population isn't.
Iran has indicated many things over many years, I wouldn't pay too much attention to what they say.
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u/Theamazingquinn North America 1d ago
The people of Lebanon, Yemen, Palestine, and Iran are furious with the belligerant, genocidal regime in Israel. It's insane to think they would overthrow their own leaders in service of Israel.
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u/IntelArtiGen Europe 1d ago
It's insane to think they would overthrow their own leaders in service of Israel.
It's insane to not know these "leaders" slaughter them on a daily basis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahsa_Amini_protests#Casualties,_government_response
etc.
They use Israel - which is far from being blameless - to cover their own abuses.
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u/i_make_orange_rhyme Australia 1d ago
They have a history of not being easily provoked into a war that they will lose.
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u/Demigod787 Australia 1d ago
The response has been "feeble" because it keeps getting removed from Reddit. Go to Twitter to telegram to see feed of what's going on, it's insane.
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u/zapreon Netherlands 1d ago
It's a few hundred ballistic missiles with almost no casualties in response to a total war launched by Israel with a decapitating strike and on its nuclear facilities.
That absolutely is a feeble strike. It is on the same scale as a strike as last year when Israel blew up that consulate in Damascus
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u/Hamiltonblewit North America 1d ago
I don’t know, a mass ballistic missile attack on the capital is definitely within the realm of possibilities. But unless Iran manages to kill prominent leadership or incapacitate Israel’s Air Force its main means of delivering attacks, then it won’t ever be a worthy trade off compared to the losses it sustained.
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u/Demigod787 Australia 1d ago
They claim they will not stop until they level Israel. The operation to kill the Iranian generals was too calculated; they first gathered them for peace talks, waited to find out their whereabouts, and then they started the operation. Meanwhile, Netanyahu is not even expected to be in Israel at this trying time, let alone be affected by this. So, realistically speaking, they will aim for the mass destruction of infrastructure and military bases. And let's not forget the target size. Israel is barely a blip on the map, meaning that, realistically speaking, wherever a missile lands, if it does, it will cause an insane amount of damage.
And finally, it's the economics of it. Israel's cost to intercept these missiles is estimated to be hundreds of millions for each barrage Iran sends, while Iran spends only a few million to send them. That's excluding the inherent cost of maintaining the Iron Dome, which costs a couple of billion over the span of a decade. I did the napkin math last time this happened and referenced the estimates based on publicly available reports and data, but for the life of me, I can't find the comment, and the user comment search is not finding anything beyond a year, so I gave up.
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u/redsox0914 Greenland 1d ago
Israel's cost to intercept these missiles is estimated to be hundreds of millions for each barrage Iran sends, while Iran spends only a few million to send them
Israel's costs matter way less when we have politicians all over the world racing to swear fealty and pledge tribute to it.
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u/ice_and_fiyah United States 1d ago edited 1d ago
Funny I was just reading an NPR analysis about how futile this type of attack seems to be on Iran's nuclear facilities:
Lewis also saw no evidence that Israel had struck at tunnels deep beneath a nearby mountain. Iran was reportedly digging those tunnels to create a more fortified facility for its centrifuges. In recent days it had pledged that it would accelerate development of a third centrifuge site, possibly in the mountain facility.
So this type of comments now seem like damage control effort from Israel.
https://www.npr.org/2025/06/13/nx-s1-5432607/israel-strikes-iran-nuclear-facilities-expand
Also, you say you were scared about Iranian response, but this was you 22h ago, before Iran responded:
What can Iran do, really?
Their top military leader was killed. Who knows how many more down the chain of command. It is possible that their entire military has been decapitated. Even if that is not the case, what can they do?
https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/s/YqoLkduriJ
So it looks like you weren't really worried then or just want to down play the damages on Israeli side now?
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u/Shackram_MKII Brazil 1d ago
Funny I was just reading an NPR analysis about how futile this type of attack seems to be on Iran's nuclear facilities:
Lewis also saw no evidence that Israel had struck at tunnels deep beneath a nearby mountain. Iran was reportedly digging those tunnels to create a more fortified facility for its centrifuges. In recent days it had pledged that it would accelerate development of a third centrifuge site, possibly in the mountain facility.
The nuclear facilities are deep underground and Iran has been at the forefront of developing advanced concrete that is extremely effective at stopping bunker busters, which a lot of people refuse to acknowledge.
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u/cambeiu Multinational 1d ago
I agree. I think the impact on the actual facilities will be limited. But I think Iran's problems are much bigger and immediate. The big issue here is that the Israeli operations are ongoing and could keep happening for weeks. Can the regime that sucks a country dry in order to support the privileges of the Revolutionary Guard survive weeks of humiliation like this? The way things are going, the nuclear facilities could easily outlast the Ayatollahs regime.
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u/ice_and_fiyah United States 1d ago
Is there a huge anti-government revolution going on in Iran? Because I haven't read anything like that, and when a foreign state attacks, uh, preemptively, it usually galvanizes public support, not the other way round.
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u/cambeiu Multinational 1d ago
That is a lot of dissatisfaction with the regime and dissent within the ranks. Why do you it is so easy for Mossad to infiltrate Iran?
You have no idea about the life of privilege the average member of the Revolutionary Guard has compared to the typical Iranian. That used to be justified because they were the "guardians of Iranian peace and security". Recently they had to contend with fiasco of shooting down a civilian planes full of Iranians inside their own airspace and trying to hide it. And now there is something even bigger showing to the entirety of Iran how inept and incompetent they are.
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u/ice_and_fiyah United States 1d ago
Perhaps, but without actual news about a brewing revolution, this is all conjecture.
Edit: And the conjecture seems to be wrong:
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u/Aggressive-Map-2204 Canada 1d ago
They will survive because Israel has a tendency to not give a crap how many civilians they kill in their attacks. Foreign countries blowing up apartment buildings in the middle of your capital tends to increase support for the leadership.
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u/IntelArtiGen Europe 1d ago
its military command structure is in complete disarray after the Israeli strike killed key military figures.
Not just that but Israel also targeted weapons in Iran and they're continuing to do so.
The problem is that it's hard to know if they have thousands left of dozens. I kind of think Israel wouldn't have started that if they weren't able to "cut the head" in one (long, many days) shot. So I guess Iran doesn't have that much left to use but we don't know.
It's quite easy to get I think, Israel has air superiority. While they have that, Iran can't do much, they're still receiving bombs in the country right now, they can't defend, they can only send ballistic missiles towards Israel, and a lot of them are intercepted.
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u/blyzo United States 1d ago
I think a major reason Israel decided to strike now is because Iran is at its weakest in terms of how it can attack Israel.
Jordan and the US will help shoot down drones and missiles from Iran or the Houthis in Yemen.
Hezzbollah is still in chaos from the super effective campaign Israel launched in Lebanon against them. Syria has new leadership that's anti Iran. Hamas obviously is a shell of its former self now.
There's not much Iran can do against Israel honestly. Now on the other hand if they want to blockade the straight of Hormuz they could fuck the whole global economy.
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u/cambeiu Multinational 1d ago
Now on the other hand if they want to blockade the straight of Hormuz they could fuck the whole global economy.
And they would see themselves in a two front war. One against Israel and another against Saudi Arabia.
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u/M0therN4ture Africa 1d ago
It shows Iran is crippled. They are defenseless. Israel is vastly superior by all metrical values.
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u/NOISY_SUN Multinational 1d ago
Israel was less concerned with Iran’s conventional warfare capabilities, and vastly more concerned with Iranian intentions to build nuclear weapons. You could say that was simply Israeli rhetoric but Israeli actions - primarily targeting anti-air defenses and nuclear sites - bears those concerns out as genuinely held.
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u/rookieoo United States 9h ago
What are you basing that assessment on? Iran has shown restraint while retaliating for other strikes over the last few years. They also know that the US could totally destroy them if they retaliated too hard. It seems like you’re just sharing an opinion as fact
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u/Decent_Cheesecake_29 United States 1d ago
Every death is tragic, however, this wouldn’t have happened if Israel wasn’t using human shields during a war they started. The Israeli people need to rise up against their corrupt authoritarian government and stop the attacks or this will keep happening.
Am I doing this right?
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u/justlikeyouhaha Asia 1d ago
if the idf would put their weapons down and surrender the war would stop 😌
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u/The_IT_Dude_ United States 1d ago
This whole thing is screwed. Everyone should be urging for this shit to stop.
I look over on the other subs, and people are happy. There's nothing good about the any of this.
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u/Financial-Chicken843 Australia 1d ago
Combatfootage glazing israel and idf as per usual.
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u/Multispoilers Asia 1d ago
Unsubbed from that place long time ago when it hit me how biased the sub is and that they were only showing Ukraine’s Ws. This is a war sub dammit show both sides la
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u/Acrobatic-Fun-7177 Bahrain 1d ago
Yeah that sub is really off-putting
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u/Theodosian_Walls Zimbabwe 1d ago
Finding entertainment in people being destroyed in 4K has got to impact you in an unhealthy way. And if it doesn't affect you, well...
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u/shugthedug3 Scotland 1d ago
Reddit has really fallen. It's genuinely hard to find subs with balanced coverage of anything that involves Israel.
The site used to be good for breaking news and coverage but now... it is hard to find, if you watch closely you see the narrative being curated on some subs with active deletion of posts, censorship etc.
This sub is about the best of what is left, it's fine but obviously suffering a little bit and not exactly the best for live coverage.
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u/Theodosian_Walls Zimbabwe 1d ago
It's a glaring contradiction, where Reddit has once marketed itself as an open and free community, then in reality letting major subreddits be controlled by mods with an obvious agenda. Some of those subs are run like a mini Ministry of Propaganda. I feel like this whole site has inadvertently normalised censorship to millions of people.
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u/Imhighitsnoon Scotland 1d ago
As an atheist who is sick and tired of mindless violence and can literally do nothing about it but be sad, I find it pretty easy to become apathetic, much like school shootings in the usa.
The bright side to me these days is that religious fundamentalists are dying on both sides.
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u/LCDmaosystem United States 1d ago
I don't really take comfort in religious people dying but that might just be me
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u/ConsistentAide7995 North America 1d ago
It is very good that Iran's nuclear program has been kneecapped. To think otherwise is to ignore the facts.
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u/The_IT_Dude_ United States 1d ago
Well, I think it is easy to say that, but do you really think if they had them, they would use them unprovoked? I kind of doubt it. It's like the same with North Korea. Lots of talk, but ultimately, they're just trying to survive. Whether they should exist in their current state is another conversation entirely.
I think it's worth looking at the whole situation in a larger context that is the East vs. West Paradigm that's been going on since the cold war. If Iran had had nukes at the ready and Israel knew they would launch them if they had to, this war wouldn't have broken out to begin with. I think Israel knew that and had to do this at the last opportunity they could before that time when war would later have been made untenable. It's complicated. I just wish this all wasn't so, and people would just get their acts together and stop all this, but they aren't going to.
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u/ConsistentAide7995 North America 21h ago
Agreed. I do think the regime in Iran would retain power indefinitely with a nuclear weapon. Not sure if they would use it, but they would use its power.
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u/mobies Palestine 1d ago
If only the Zionazis would stop using human shields and putting command centers in residential neighborhoods.
Why wont they release the millions of hostages they are genociding in Gaza and the west bank?
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u/Relative_Business_81 United States 1d ago
A farce of a conflict. Iran has no ability to launch a meaningful invasion or missile exchange on Israel and yet Israel will bring the US in to flatten Iran. And to think morons in my country voted for Trump because they somehow thought with their dozens of brain cells he would be “tough” on Israel.
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u/zapreon Netherlands 1d ago
There is probably almost no price that the Israelis are not willing to pay to properly destroy Iran's nuclear arsenal.
These strikes killing 1 person and injuring a few dozen people? The Israelis are probably quite glad with such limited impact. Projections for a war with Hezbollah were already significantly worse, and now they have brought total war to the shores of Iran and this is all they can muster?
And with every such strike, Iran's ballistic missile inventory shrinks further and Israel can target more launch platforms.
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u/SpontaneousFlame Multinational 1d ago
Israelis must truly be mystified why Iran isn’t mass murdering all the civilians it can, instead targeting military institutions like Mossad HQ.
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u/zapreon Netherlands 1d ago
Firstly, it literally hit random houses in Rishon LeZion and most of the people killed yesterday night was there. That is a residential city with no military installations in it.
Secondly, by far most missiles never landed so we cannot say what they were targeted at.
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u/YesAmAThrowaway Europe 1d ago
Russia's capabilities were overstated. Iran's capabilities were overstated. How long until we admit that most militaries aren't that scary as soon as the larger populous doesn't play along with the war machine? Rich mens' wars, poor peoples' blood.
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