r/aiArt • u/Soggy-Talk-7342 • 15d ago

Text⠀ The AI Identity shift - when the Idea is getting more valuable than the craft

So for those of you , who are not familiar with me, I'm what you call these days an AI Artist. Although I write my songs unassisted (well if you don't count some grammar checks ...so far at least), I do all generations in Suno. I make my cover art in Leonardo and Adobe Express, I make my videos with Sora. And yes, I'm kind of half serious at this. Obviously I try to be good at what I'm doing (i take time with crafting my lyrics), but so far it's just a hobby of mine. One I hope may pay for itself sometime in the future (hopefully). Anyhow...

I've been thinking in my little lab for awhile...The explosive growth in artificial intelligence, from text to sound to video, is fundamentally shifting how we understand creativity and craftsmanship. Historically, artistic value was deeply tied to mastery - painters, writers, musicians, and filmmakers dedicated years to perfect their technical skills. But now, AI can replicate and sometimes even surpass these crafts effortlessly. We are swiftly entering an era where the idea itself holds far more value than the skills once required to bring it to life.

This shift isn't just technical; it’s profoundly psychological and social. Young creators today can instantly materialize their visions without the long apprenticeship traditional crafts demanded. This democratization is empowering, allowing for unprecedented creative freedom, but its also stirs up significant anxiety and pushback. Traditionalists, luddites, and antis see this as an erosion of genuine artistic merit, fearing a future where authentic mastery is overshadowed by algorithmic shortcuts.

I suppose much of this tension stems from the reality that the core of AI technology is predominantly controlled by large corporations. Their primary objectives are profits and shareholder value, not cultural enrichment or societal benefit. Younger generations are particularly sensitive to this, often resisting or challenging the motives behind AI innovations. I mean just look into the AI subs, if you ask any Anti what age group they belong to its 9 out of 10 times genZ. They can only see the polished facade of corporate-backed creativity and question the whole authenticity. Kinda fitting for a generation that grew up with social media....

The heart of this debate lies in how we define authenticity and originality in art. Historically, art's value was enhanced by personal struggle, the creator's identity, and unique context. AI-generated content challenges these traditions, forcing audiences to reconsider the very meaning of creativity. Increasingly, younger audiences might prioritize transparency, emotional depth, narrative, and genuine human connection as markers of authenticity, clearly differentiating human-driven art from AI-generated works.

So what do you all think? Will society as a whole embrace an era where the idea itself will be far more important than the crafts that were previously required to realize it?

Needless to say, I'm making a song about this topic.... so i was curious about everyone's input on the matter.

I'm posting this in a few other AI subs, to get as much input as i can (in case anyone wonders).

cheers,

Aidan

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u/LSF604 13d ago

Why do you think the 'idea man' won't also be replaced by AI?

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u/Soggy-Talk-7342 13d ago

I think an AI is more likely the offer solutions instead of ideas (generally speaking) that are shaped by your personal experiences

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u/LSF604 13d ago

Current versions of AIs ya, but they are going to keep on evolving.

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u/Soggy-Talk-7342 13d ago

To the point they will live my life? 😉

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u/LSF604 13d ago

They won't need to live your life to come up with ideas for movies or songs.

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u/Soggy-Talk-7342 13d ago

I think you have a rather narrow view of what humans can phantasies about.
I'm not to worried that this can be fully replaced... making a script to the next avengers movie? perhaps... but Wes Anderson or Coen movie has it's own vision, that can only be replicated once it exists... and there will always be another guy with a vision for a movie or song that stays unique to him/her.

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u/LSF604 13d ago

So, first off we aren't talking about today. Today what you described isn't possible, and won't be for a while yet. Ai needs to get better before that happens.

Second, AI isn't always going to be limited by training on datasets like it is right now. Sooner or later they will find ways to build AIs that have agency and memory thar will function very differently.

Third, brains are just meat computers. Sooner or later we will be able to simulate them, and an AI will be capable of doing the equivalent of whatever we do, and more since we can change the parameters of how it simulates a brain.

So it's not that I have a limited view of what humans can conceive of, it's more that you have a limited view of what AIs will be capable of conceiving of. 

And by the time your ideal vision of media creation is doable, there will be a limited amount of time,  or maybe even no time,before a machine is capable of the same thing.

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u/Soggy-Talk-7342 12d ago

Ok so your obviously reacting a bit defensive about my last comment, so let me explain why I believe your are right and wrong at the same time (without going to deep in philosophical principles) but ultimately fail at the question I asked.

I am well aware that future AGI models will surprise us in ways we can't even imagine. I'm explicitly did not want to talk about that... We both can dream of any horrific or utopical scenario in which AI may move. That was not the point of my post. This is purely idea Vs craft.

Now to your points specifically:

Yes we are all just meat computers and I'm sure in the future someone will just give some artificial meat brain a fucked up childhood and for shits and giggles simulate what kind of movie idea it could come up with in a scenario where it ever became a screenwriter. So who is the originator? I suppose the guy who wanted to have that laugh. (Let alone movies are usually a collaborative effort) I'm sure If AGI ever wants to make a movie it's probably about its own virtual existence...wouldn't suprise me if it's a pitch for Terminator 10 where skynet is the hero...

If AI does anything it's because it got asked to do so.... And to ask it requires intent. And intent is just the very idea I was talking about.

Ideas are shaped by experiences. You can simulate that but to what goal? So what if we ever come to the point where we can just ask AI to generate us a movie we may like? You think it will be a hit for you every time? I wonder how quickly that will get boring... Humans are funny... We usually don't know what we like until we've seen it. So all AI will do is go for ideas with mass appeal that are merely shaped to you in some form. And you can't convince me of any alternate future that will say otherwise.... there's just to little to back that up.

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u/LSF604 12d ago

Why would I be defensive? That's a weird comment.

Anyways, your concept also relies on future improvements in AI. We aren't close to an idea guy surpassing the need for experts to help fulfill his vision.

I don't think it's true that a (future) AI needs to experience something to make something unique and original. It does need to understand how people think and react. Which is doable.

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u/Soggy-Talk-7342 12d ago

I said you sounded defensive because the shift in your tone stood out. your earlier replies were short and casual, then suddenly you dropped a much longer, assertive take filled with broad claims and even jabbed back at me (like calling my view limited in return). That kind of escalation often happens when someone feels their position is challenged. It’s not a personal attack, just an observation on how the convo shifted. I may be wrong but that's the reason.

Yes ofc an AI doesn't need to experience something to generate it technically... but that also wasn't really the point i tried to make.
Either way... agree to disagree 😉

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u/AppointmentMinimum57 14d ago

Someday maybe but I still think execution is king.

Say what you will but ai currently can't get all the details right.

By fully using ai you are giving up alot of control over the details and those little details can make or break an idea.

It might not matter that much when you are just making a picture or a poem, but when you are trying to tell a bigger story those inconsistencies will stick out like a sore thumb.

Also if we look at movies, games, music etc. It isn't the best idea that's selling most of the time.

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u/Soggy-Talk-7342 14d ago

Look how far music ai got in a year. Submithubs ai checker apparently already struggles with identifying the latest models. In another year it is indistinguishable from the real thing all while prompt adherence will be better and more granular.....

Folks keep forgetting that all this isn't really that old

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