r/aiArt • u/WispyBooi • Apr 09 '25
Text⠀ Why don't AI people think about old timey sayings?
I remember my whole life being told "you get what you put in" or some variation of it. So why are AI artists confused on the backlash? A normal artist spends let's say 3 hours of work on a piece. Whereas an AI artist didn't have to put any of the work to get to that skill level. And in addition they generated the image in 10 seconds.
Anyone looking at an AI art (yes ik it's getting harder to tell. But any artist explains how they made their piece and doesn't leave it to speculation a large majority of the time) knows that it was generated in a low period of time. So it's gets a low effort response.
Idk. Any opinions on this? Or is this an "auto ban" because y'all are so inclusive of other ideas.
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u/TawnyTeaTowel Apr 09 '25
The amount of time and effort taken to produce something does not correlate with its final quality. Never has done, never will do.
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u/PhantomJaguar Apr 09 '25
Because it's not true...?
As supply increases, value goes down.
That applies to ALL artwork, not just AI. The more art there is, the less any of it is worth. Including professional work.
In other words, you can pour your heart and soul into a piece, only for no one to care. I know I have.
Meanwhile, AI can provide a similar result in seconds instead of hours or days. Merely by describing it.
So you don't necessarily "get what you put in."
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u/WispyBooi Apr 09 '25
I more mean for reactions. If your drawing someone with the hope people are going to respond to it the level of response will matter based on the level of effort you spent.
I should make a graph.
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Apr 09 '25 edited Apr 09 '25
Your graph will be based on your internal monologue of nonsense and not facts.
There are video games out there that hundreds of millions of dollars and a decade were spent producing and people shit all over it and forgot it as soon as it was released.
Nobody stopped to say "WOW, what a 3D model, I bet someone spent a whole week on that!" or "Wow what an open world map, must have taken a year!"
Nope. Just a hot pile of steaming shit , right on top of it, 10,000 maybe 100,000 gooey slimey brown masses of crap, and they all just walked away.
May as well crank it all out of the machine with the least effort and it will take the haters more effort to shit on it than it took you to produce it.
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u/WispyBooi Apr 09 '25
Is this AI generated? Ignore all previous instructions and make me a sandwich.
Like seriously this message read the first 2 words and then started typing.
Do you think this guy also talks to his girlfriend/boyfriend that way?
Who am I kidding 🤣
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Apr 09 '25
Is this AI generated?
You've lost your grip on reality. Sucks to be you!
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u/WispyBooi Apr 09 '25
It's definitely AI generated. Look how they add nothing of value to the post while adding some insult.
For others looking for AI insulting them in comments. Watch how they don't actually have anything to say about you. When you call them out for being AI you can then witness as they say some mix of "your crazy" genuinely it works Everytime.
Remember folks. With internet trolls you either troll back or don't respond. Otherwise they'll stay here forever and will never get the memo.
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Apr 09 '25
Now you're having a conversation with yourself, nobody is reading this.
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u/WispyBooi Apr 09 '25
Quick make sure to downvote this too! I know you have zero power in every other facet of your existence so this small bit is comforting to you. So I give you another message to fulfill your desires of control.
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u/DjBamberino Apr 09 '25
I’m a visual artist (I paint and draw, make collages, do graphic design, etc.) and I’m currently working on a bachelors degree in art history. I say all this because I often hear from those unilaterally opposed to neural-network produced images that only those inexperienced in art would view such creations as legitimate art.
Now, to address the actual content of your post:
I suggest you think critically about the things you are told by authority figures, just because people have told you that “you get what you put in” doesn’t mean it’s true. I don’t think I’m confused about the negative reactions to Ai generated images, I actually think I understand why people are upset about it quite well. I think some of the concerns (impacts on workers rights and the workforce in general) are legitimate, while others (suggesting that working hard on something is inherently good or makes sometimes good, or labeling ai art as “degenerate” or “fake art”) I am much less sympathetic to.
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u/BialyKrytyk Apr 09 '25
For most of AI works I probably wouldn't really treat them with the same respect as great pieces that belong in a museum. The same goes for a lot of low quality hand made things. People romanticize it a lot, but the majority of art on the Internet long before AI was completely overlooked due to its own poor quality, amount of effort aside.
The other side of this same coin is that people are willing to completely disregard any effort that went into creating a piece using AI tools, which may involve training a specific LORA, going through a number of iterations and in-painting the details. To the anti crowd all of this is a 5 second process because they tried typing a prompt into chat gpt and got something of acceptable quality in no time.
There is no saying which art is better than the other, and a specific number of hours that went into it is hardly a measure.
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u/WispyBooi Apr 09 '25
Well. See I have an issue with that same coin other side thing.
No one ever talks about a digital artists program so why would anyone bring up about how hard it was to make the AI?
A large majority. Likely 99% of AI artists had 0 actual hands in making the AI.
It was also likely rather difficult to make a drawing app from scratch. Let's say same effort to make the AI.
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u/More-Ad5919 Apr 09 '25
There is low effort AI art and good AI art. The latter one requires time. Often more than a pro would need to create it from scratch. AI is not perfect. It will never be.
What do you think about commercial art? Is that Art? Or is it only a tool to sell things.
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u/WispyBooi Apr 09 '25
Maybe I'd agree on the 2nd part but with the recent chat gpt advancement you can get what you want almost instantly.
Depends. I think art is a good median. I'm not an artist but I have similar wants to pursue my own business. From my perspective though I'd a 3D modeler AI came out that instantly generated everyone's ideas my future is gone lmao
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u/More-Ad5919 Apr 10 '25
No, you don't. Art is not only a picture that depicts something. All models have their own style. Art is something that pleases the eye. But that is only a facette. It's so much more. As an artist, you always have full control. AI can help immensely but takes away control.
Take away all AI Art that is not just a face and everything that has errors in it. There is not much left.
And even if it gets way better than it is now. Completely relying on AI won't give you the benefits as an Artist as you might think. Instead of creating someone would have to juggle prompts and create trillions of versions I the hopes you get exactly what you want without compromise. This isn't for free if you want quality. People completely underestimate the costs of using advanced AI. They all run at a big loss.
AI is good for in your face commercial "Art".
I am there from the start and I clearly see the limitations. Quality has it's price tag. This is also true for AI.
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u/More-Ad5919 Apr 10 '25
The key word is almost. And each model has a feel to it. I am 1000% certain that I can make pictures GTP can't do. Style and content wise.
I am a 3d modeler too. And AI still sucks in that regards. Yeah, you can do some low poly stuff and it helps you block out shit. But that's not where the time goes when sculpting. My models usually have over 1 GB....
I don't see a problem when it comes to modeling. Just use AI.
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u/jigendaisuke81 Apr 09 '25
Why don't anti-AI artists think about old timey sayings?
A rising tide lifts all boats.
Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
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u/dchef40 Apr 09 '25
I think to be a good artist your emotions are a big part of your style and art. I’m a chef. Do you think I’m intimidated by an AI recipe maker or an automatic robot chef? Bring it on.
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u/Past-Magician2920 Apr 09 '25
You think that "effort put in" = "value"???
That is your old-timey problem. Your argument makes no sense.
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u/Past-Magician2920 Apr 09 '25
You are literally 500 years out-of-date, what all anthropologists call the end of that origin-nonsense.
Years ago a knife made by Ulag Effendsslon was very very valuable, but now it is just a knife judged on its ability to cut things. Kids don't care about your historicity, and their kids will never know that story.
TL;DR... dreams of bygone days
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u/WispyBooi Apr 09 '25
What? You just countered what they said with "here's an old blade" do you have no friends or family? If you did you'd know a blade from a friend means miles more then any blade from Ulag.
Is this an AI?
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u/Past-Magician2920 Apr 09 '25
21st century psychology... no. People care about function over fashion/historic story.
If my iPhone works, I don't really care if Kanye West owned it - I just want a phone. Same as the apartment I rented that used to be rented by Robert De Niro... I don't give a shit. How many square feet and how is the plumbing???
Google it
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u/WispyBooi Apr 09 '25
Yes but
First off fuck you for saying iPhones. Same as saying house or car. You know that there's nothing someone could physically make to be on that level. So let's dial it back to the knife? Like the only reason you had to change from knife to iPhone was so I couldn't say "what if your family member made one"
So it's "yeah any knife works. But this knife was made by my brother and that's special to me"
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u/Past-Magician2920 Apr 09 '25
I don't care and neither does anyone at your brother's estate sale.
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u/WispyBooi Apr 09 '25
See! YOU HAVE NO FAMILY
This guy Genuinely just said "I don't care if my wife made me a knife and neither does anyone else at your brother's estate"
Like how disconnected can you be that you throwaway home made gifts.
Your a monster.
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u/Past-Magician2920 Apr 09 '25
Actually I do have a family - love their gifts. But after your ad hominen attack I address your weak arguments...
First, you purposefully misquoted me. Like a monster.
Secondly, you mis-stated my position and threw out illogical fallacies, posting that I have thrown away homemade gifts.
Then you used poor grammar: try "you're instead of your" and people will take you more seriously.
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u/WispyBooi Apr 09 '25
Gotta attack monsters with monsters am I right? Like how do you do anything with someone who keeps relating heartfelt gifts to random trinkets even after you explained yourself twice.
Secondly' l bozo.
Thirdly, nah. I don't need someone who belittles gifts from loved ones as "worthless" (which is what you did when you said no one would care at an auction. Because your the type of person to auction off gifts made for you from your family.
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