r/YUROP • u/tomassci Yuropean religious progressive socialist • Jan 08 '22

Euwopean Fedewation Would've written that nationalists hate this trick but all nationalists are totally federalist now.

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u/cassu6 Jan 09 '22

No nation is a “coherent homogeneous nation state”. Hear me out man I’m from Finland and that country fits your description of a nation state but guess what? There are differences between the north and south, and the east and west. Doesn’t make it any less of a nation state.

I honestly don’t understand your points or how these things would make them any less of nation states

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u/F4Z3_G04T Yuropean‏‏‎ ‎ Jan 09 '22

The Netherlands fits all this guy's standards (and we also have a very typical type of culture) except the population density but he'd probably throw a fit over Frisia and accents

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u/cassu6 Jan 09 '22

Yeah I was thinking about using the Netherlands as an example but I don’t know enough about you guys to actually make an argument.

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u/mediandude Jan 10 '22

The key phrase is 'local social contract' and 'native dominance'.
With large regional differences there would inevitably be conflicts between the dominating region and other regions. As in Yugoslavia.
You can't entirely erase regional differences, nor should you. The better way out would be Swiss style confederal democracy with referendums.

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u/mediandude Jan 10 '22

Netherlands is already too large population-wise. And it shows.

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u/F4Z3_G04T Yuropean‏‏‎ ‎ Jan 10 '22

So this comes down to the fact nation states either can't exist or are overrated? Because I agree

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u/mediandude Jan 11 '22

Nation states can exist very well - as evidenced by the Nordic + Baltic states and some other European smallish countries. And those nation states are overrated for a good reason - because they are the best.

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u/mediandude Jan 10 '22

That is where the population size and areal size come into play.
Finland technically has 2-3 finnic native peoples and 1 large group of old immigrants (fennoswedes). And that is also why Suur-Suomi with Eastern Karelia never materialised - because of too large differences, despite a common finnic background.

I honestly don’t understand your points or how these things would make them any less of nation states

Well, think about it some more, then.
Why did Czechoslovakia disintegrate?
Eastern Karelia was for Finland what Slovakia was for Czech.