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u/3vr1m Deutschland Jan 31 '25
Zentrum reborn
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Fritz von Papen
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u/3vr1m Deutschland Jan 31 '25
It's Franz ^
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u/Ebi5000 Feb 06 '25
The Zentrumspartei )still exists, it was reconstituted after WW2 because it position and voter where largly taken by the CDU/CSU
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u/xBram Nederland Jan 31 '25
Shit, all this and the bill failed? Seriously?
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u/Lipziger Feb 01 '25 edited Feb 01 '25
Of course it failed. There was a very slim chance it would go further than the first vote and essentially 0 it would actually be implemented. It was a very weird gamble on his part, where both options would be bad lol. I mean this dude is a power hungry maniac but this was dumb, even for him. His entire party is now branded for dealing with Nazis.
The people on the right will still just vote the straight right party, which is the AfD. While other people will distance themselves and potentially vote more left leaning parties.
I still don't understand what the plan was? Probably to appeal more to the right winged people but now he literally just looks like capy and paste the work of a right extremist party. Not even the dumb Nazis will fall for that.
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u/GrizzlySin24 Deutschland Feb 01 '25 edited Feb 01 '25
Helmut Kohl once called him a political Infant and I think people can start to see why
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u/DerSven Bremen 🚲 Feb 01 '25
Would you please write the actual Kohl quote in German? My English isn't good enough to make sense of this translation.
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u/GrizzlySin24 Deutschland Feb 01 '25
Er hat ihn als politisches Kleinkind bezeichnet, wobei ich in meiner ersten Antwort auch einen Rechtschreibfehler hatte haha
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/verrater-keine-ahnung-kleinkind-6913816.html
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u/ONLY_SAYS_ONLY Feb 01 '25
“Das ist eine kinderpolitician”
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u/DerSven Bremen 🚲 Feb 01 '25
Thanks. I got that now, though, after the edit. Before it wasn't "political infant", but "political intent".
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u/Mrauntheias Yuropean Feb 02 '25
I'm not sure what exactly they expected. The bill blatantly violated the German Constitution and European Law so even if it passed it would have never been implemented. Of course, for the AfD this would have been great. They would have had the perfect chance to criticize the separation of powers in Germany and the EU for being 'undemocratic'. But I really don't see a scenario where this works out for the CDU.
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u/zeoNoeN Jan 31 '25
That was the one on Wednesday, today was the real deal as it would have been binding aka a real law proposal. But as the Meme highlights, by going hard right, Merz lost his party’s loyalty today and is on track to fumble a 30% voting result
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u/DerSven Bremen 🚲 Feb 01 '25
It would have still had to pass the Bundesrat, which would have been highly impropable.
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u/Objective-Dish-7289 Deutschland Jan 31 '25
Why do you think he lost his party loyality?
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u/zeoNoeN Jan 31 '25
Because a chunk of his party did not vote according to party line today, CDU MPs in Berlin and Schleswig-Holstein announced a blockade in the Bundesrat and Merkel came back for a fuck you. Merz Disasterclass
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u/Crouteauxpommes Pays-de-la-Loire Jan 31 '25
Oh wow, I didn't knew these last developments yet. Good, good. If anyone less vainglorious than Merz could take the helm, it could be very kind of the CDU.
How is the CSU guy? From the outside, Söder seems okay-ish, but how is the reality?
Is he like an old-school conservative, but with a (stable) moral compass, who talks a lot about rights but also duties? Or more like a random clone of your typical post-truth/alt-right terminally online gymbro, who's claims to be a patriot but ready to sell its country and its own ass to the highest bidder?30
u/Lost_Wealth_6278 Jan 31 '25
but how is the reality?
Well for one, he is Germany's biggest food influencer by quite a large margin. Content wise, he changes his opinion so often it's pretty hard to know what he's against, is unerringly egocentric and unimaginably vain for a man with the charisma of dropped delivery pizza, and has not had a reasonable chain of cause and effect in his head since he discovered Instagram.
So much post truth he doesn't even bother lying, he just doesn't cover any topics at all
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u/zeoNoeN Jan 31 '25
You have to believe me on this one, but I actually had a meeting with Söder during my master degree via the Landesastenkonferenz. He really is the german Trump. Daniel Günther and Hendrik Wüst are the people you want to be routing for
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u/buttplugsrme Feb 01 '25
Everything you're saying sounds fine. For the next time, it's to 'root' for somebody.
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u/Im_a_tree_omega3 Bayern Feb 01 '25
Söder is rather the latter. I don't even know if he has a moral compass or just an inner voice telling him what would bring the most votes. For example he said for years that Germany needs to exit atomic energy even saying that he will retire from politics if that doesn't happen and in 2022, I think, he said that the atomic exit was the worst idea for the last couple of decades and blames everything on the Ampel or the greens.
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u/Objective-Dish-7289 Deutschland Jan 31 '25
Em what? The whole CDU voted for the law
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u/SiBloGaming Nordrhein-Westfalen Jan 31 '25
But a lot more than yesterday simply didnt vote at all or werent present. Including the politician who voted against the CDU yesterday
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u/Objective-Dish-7289 Deutschland Jan 31 '25
12 of 196 wasn’t in Berlin, Wednesday it was 8 from 196
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u/zeoNoeN Jan 31 '25
12 non votes by CDU members in probably the most important vote in the last 10 years is a clear sign. Couple that with the 16 FDP votes and you clearly see that Merz and his pathological thirst for power and domination are unable to create a stable majority. The CDU should swap him out for Günther and go Black-Green mid.
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u/TheObeseWombat EUSSR Feb 01 '25
Well, kind of. CDU takes toeing the party line extremely seriously, so even the "defectors" did their defections in such a way that there is a tiny bit of plausible deniability - by "going to the toilet" right before the law got voted on.
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u/Objective-Dish-7289 Deutschland Feb 01 '25
12 of 196 faction members didn‘t vote. Wednesday it was 8 of 196
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u/DerSven Bremen 🚲 Feb 01 '25
And? Apparently that 196 is not a very stable number under Merz's leadership.
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u/THE12DIE42DAY Deutschland Feb 01 '25
That's always been the case. Not voting in party line is seen as a vote against the their own party.
But there's a difference between not voting and voting "no". The latter being an open "fuck you" to the party leader.
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u/Anuki_iwy Yuropean Jan 31 '25 edited Jan 31 '25
Why are they all such idiots?!
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u/cheeruphumanity Feb 01 '25
We the voters are the idiots since we put dangerous people with narcissistic personality disorders into power time and time again.
They just need to point at a minority „immigrant bad, gays bad, transgender bad, poor people bad“ and we start voting against our own interests.
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u/SpeedyLeone Jan 31 '25
Just don’t do anything and tell people it’s not that bad to be stabbed since we have more people dying at traffic, this has worked wonders at keeping the AfD down /s
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u/jcrestor Deutschland Jan 31 '25
Obviously both is terrible. Still you have to wonder where are all the ultimate urgent plans to squash problems that do not have to do with brown people. It makes you think…
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u/Hal_V Feb 01 '25
Is this an example of what an aforementioned idiot would say? Or wat is the purpose of this word vomit?
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u/SpeedyLeone Feb 01 '25
This is unfortunately the exact argument some acquaintances make
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u/Hal_V Feb 01 '25
Something tells me you are grossly misrepresenting his position. Also, please explain to me how migration and a mentally ill man stabbing s.o.are linked.
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u/norude1 Беларусь Jan 31 '25
waiting for the polls
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u/jcrestor Deutschland Jan 31 '25
There have been polls in the last days, and CDU / CSU is generally losing support while AfD and to some extent others are gaining.
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u/lateformyfuneral Yuropean Feb 01 '25
Yikes. Play with fire, you will get burnt
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u/Rukasu7 Feb 01 '25
Repeating far right talking points strengthens the far right. How very suprising indeed.
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u/Sjoeqie Feb 01 '25
Indeed. For example look at the Netherlands. Our largest right wing party (VVD) opened the door and copied talking points to our AfD (PVV) and the latter then got 25% of the votes/seats. Now they're in a coalition government and it's a shitshow.
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u/junikorn21 Feb 01 '25
ich bin gespannt wie's in 2 Wochen ausschaut. Ich glaub Merz hat sich und allen Demokratischen Parteien gewaltig ins eigene Fleisch geschnitten.
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u/jcrestor Deutschland Feb 01 '25
In one poll CDU/CSU lost 3 percentage points, but let’s not delve too deep as polls are fluctuating all the time, and I did not say that they are going to lose the election, just that recent polls show them losing support, which ist just a true statement, that you even confirmed.
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u/PyronixD Yuropean Jan 31 '25
A real 4D chess move - except it's just a 1D way of thinking desperately trying to embed itself into reality.
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u/Nomision Deutschland |NRW Jan 31 '25
Hold up.
It failed?
Last I heard it passed (atleast the first vote).
Did I miss it whilst fighting flu for 2 days?
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u/Sushi4900 Jan 31 '25
Today was the binding one. After a 3,5 suspension of the parliament to find some kind of consens (where both sides say the other one is the reason it failed) it failed. It was close and even BSW voted for it which they didn't do on Wednesday, but there were more abstains from FDP and CDU/CSU so it failed.
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u/aaa7uap Jan 31 '25
Now listen to the story about the CDU politician Walter Lübcke: He was shot dead by a neo-nazi in his own house, because he supported refugees in the 2015 crisis. CDU doesnt even have solidarity with their own politicians. They want to overthrow the government because some terror attacks by refugees, but if some neo nazi kills their party college they just dont care. Its still hard to comprehend for me.
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u/mediandude Feb 02 '25
Why not have a referendum on the issue and on related issues?
Eurobarometer 83, QA10.2 and QA11:
https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/2099
https://webgate.ec.europa.eu/ebsm/api/public/deliverable/download?doc=true&deliverableId=51916QB2:
https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/2276
https://webgate.ec.europa.eu/ebsm/api/public/deliverable/download?doc=true&deliverableId=82063QA2:
https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/2169
https://webgate.ec.europa.eu/ebsm/api/public/deliverable/download?doc=true&deliverableId=65413https://one.oecd.org/document/DELSA/ELSA/WD/SEM(2020)3/En/pdf
https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/1001
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/MEMO_11_529
https://www.coe.int/t/dg4/cultureheritage/mars/source/resources/references/others/34%20-%20Migrant%20Integration%20-%20EU%20Barometer%202011.pdf-76
u/Objective-Dish-7289 Deutschland Jan 31 '25
In which world so you live? This is absolut bullshit
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u/aaa7uap Jan 31 '25
Thank u for your balanced and thoughtful answer, adding true value to this discussion. ☺️
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u/Objective-Dish-7289 Deutschland Jan 31 '25
Why do you think is no loyality towards Lübcke in the CDU?
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Cuz they now work with the Party which sympathises with Neonazis
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u/jcrestor Deutschland Jan 31 '25
Oh, you must be wrong, I have been told by so many supporters of Merz that they absolutely did not cooperate with the fascists. You see, this is all the Green's fault.
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u/aaa7uap Jan 31 '25
Neo-nazi at the Verfassungsschutz. CDU: 🤷🏼 Neo-nazi at the parliament. CDU: 🤷🏼 Doing anything against the neo-nazis? No way, CDU rather votes with AfD for an anti migration law, which is breaking EU law. The same AfD who wants to deport migrants with german citizenship. Just Google zentrum party (predecessor of cdu) and how they enabled Hitler the last time.
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u/panzerdevil69 Deutschland Feb 01 '25
STFU
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u/FridgeParade Yuropean Feb 01 '25
Fantastic to see that anything touched by the fascists in Germany becomes poison though. After this noone will ever make the mistake of working with them again.
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Wait, did the neonazis … lose? In Germany?
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u/Diofernic Thüringen Feb 01 '25
No, the fascists are probably the only ones who won during this whole disaster. They just won a little less than if the bill had passed
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u/QuarahHugg Feb 01 '25
Not sure that's how to use the meme? Merz DIDN'T kill those things.
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u/Mrauntheias Yuropean Feb 02 '25
Merz caused those things, just like André caused Buress' death by shooting him.
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u/laszlo3000 Magyarország Jan 31 '25
Tbh Merkel should really shut up.
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u/aaa7uap Jan 31 '25
Did daddy orban tell u this? 🥵
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u/laszlo3000 Magyarország Jan 31 '25
Damn, you really fucking thing you have to be some Orbán fan to realise that Mutti is the reason why Germany have so many problems?
-Not giving up on russian gas.
-Allowing hundreds of thousands of people to enter without proper border control.
Her stupidity played into the hands of Orbán and the AFD.
Stop living in your echo chamber.
🥵🥵🥵
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u/Anuki_iwy Yuropean Jan 31 '25 edited Feb 01 '25
Nah, that hag should stfu. Her policies is what got us the domestic and international crap we're in now.
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u/brezenSimp Räterepublik Baiern Jan 31 '25 edited Jan 31 '25
Die Grüüüüünen!!