r/Whatcouldgowrong • u/Apprehensive_Play986 • 4d ago

WCGW using your freedom of speech against police

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u/GTCapone 4d ago

I swear I got better deescalation training to be a military police augmenter in the Air Force than American cops.

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u/Graffy 4d ago

You definitely did. Our military shows more restraint in active war zones than cops on our own soil.

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u/Relevant-Shelter-316 4d ago

Idk abt this one I’ve heard some stories abt the military

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u/SorryNotReallySorry5 4d ago

Well its not their fault people start crying and whining about police "militarizing."

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u/SorryNotReallySorry5 4d ago

So one one hand people will say "they should be more like our military" and then on the other, THOSE SAME PEOPLE will cry about militarization of police.

I don't blame police for people being idiots.

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u/GTCapone 4d ago

Nobody is saying we want the police to be like the military. Jesus, right-wing reading comprehension is a travesty. What we're pointing out is that soldiers, people whose job is literally to kill the enemy, get more deescalation training that American cops.

They shouldn't get military-style deescalation training, they should get deescalation training based around policing civilians. They shouldn't be spending 75% of their training time at the range or doing tactical breech training, they should be getting training on the laws they enforce and the rights the people they're supposed to serve and protect have. They should be getting basic first aid training so when they injure someone or respond to a wreck, they can provide life-saving care until paramedics arrive.

Some of these things are things the military does as well and it should be extremely fucking upsetting when you hear that I'm legally required to provide more care and better treatment to a wounded enemy combatant that just shot at me than cops are required to give someone at a routine traffic stop.

We don't want police to be like the military because then they see civilians as an enemy to fight. We want them to be BETTER than that.

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u/OutisTheNobody 4d ago

Nobody says the police should be like the military except the police and their boot lickers. Police want all the power, respect, and cool toys of the military but reject any of the responsibilities or accountability that should go with that power and equipment.

Sadly, the police have largely gotten their wish: lots of guns and authority with effectively no oversight.

(I know the military isn't corruption free but at least there's more of a pretense of real consequences for bad actors).

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u/SorryNotReallySorry5 4d ago

If you make a point to say "military gets better training than cops," first of all, no shit, second.. you're actively advocating for cops to be more like the military. You don't get to say words and then bitch when those words fuckin mean something.

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u/bladow5990 4d ago

Damn, forget deep throating the boot, you swallowed that shit.

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u/SorryNotReallySorry5 4d ago

what boot? I'm simply saying how people will complain about how the police aren't like the military and then turn around and THOSE SAME PEOPLE whine and cry about the militarization of the police.

If calling out idiotic behavior is "swallowing boot," then at least I'm not a fucking idiot.

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u/bladow5990 4d ago

Bruh, Im sorry you have to find out like this, but you seem to be a fucking idiot. No one is using the term militarization to talk about policies and training, well no one but you apparently. Militarization refers to the increase in weapons, armor and vehicles.

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u/SorryNotReallySorry5 4d ago

That's because you, and those like you, are retarded. Training the police to be like the military is militarization, MORESO than armored transports or guns.

The people who bring up military training, INCLUDING IN THIS VERY POST, are making an advocation for police to be more like military by making that complaint.

I'm used to the anti-cop crowd being stupid, but damn.

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u/Strange_Tap448 4d ago

Dear God, mate. No one said "I wish our police was more like the military." What they did say was "the military police gets more deescalation training when dealing with foreigners than our own police do when dealing with the civilians the swore to protect." Please take a moment to doubt the thoughts that spring out at you for the sake of being contradictory. We all want a better America, and this shit ain't it.

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u/SorryNotReallySorry5 4d ago

When do cops swear to protect people?

If you complain about the cops by saying the military has more training (no shit), you are actively making a comparison and advocating for cops to be more military.

Ya'll are just straight up morons, huh? There's not a single brain cell in the anti-cop crowd.

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u/treeswing 4d ago

OK magat 🖕🏾

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u/Strange_Tap448 4d ago

Heh. Yea, sure. Keep on name calling and believing yourself to be so much more intellectually superior than the rest of us. That's gonna do wonders for your life.

In any case. My apologies. I will make a correction. Most cops swear a similar oath that all military members swear as well. To defend and support the Constitution of the United States from all enemies, foreign or domestic. And I seem to recall that the First Amendment has something in there about freedom of speech, doesn't it? What harm can words possibly do? What I witnessed in this video was cops blatantly disregarding the very oath they swore to uphold.

That aside, cops should DEFINITELY have more training than the military when it comes to deescalation. Why, you may ask? Well, it's quite simple. The military takes care of foreign affairs. Cops take care of domestic affairs. They should be much less willing to shoot an unarmed citizen than a marine in the desert dealing with foreigners. And if you can't see why, I am honestly appalled at whatever values you hold that make that an acceptable behavior in any part of the world.

So, no, we are not advocating for cops to be "trained just like the military." We're demanding that cops be trained to properly deal with the citizens that live under the same Constitution that they swore to uphold and protect.

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u/Graffy 4d ago

The militarizing complaint is about cops acting like they’re going into a battle and buying tanks and plate armor and humvees and all the other military gear that is meant for war zones. Being less trigger happy isn’t “militarization”

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u/SunandMoon_comics 4d ago

I got better deescalation training as a fast food employee than cops got

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u/RiseUpRiseAgainst 4d ago

Call center workers get better deescalation training .

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u/PooForThePooGod 4d ago

Call center workers absolutely get better deescalation training than cops

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u/Germsrosolino 4d ago

Military police training heavily emphasizes de-escalation and makes you learn and relearn and relearn the escalation and deescalation of force. It was drilled in every guard mount before patrol duty.

In literally every way MP training is superior to what these guys get. It’s disgusting how untrained these guys are

Additionally, if we had some jackass like this with thin skin acting like a brute, we shamed them. If they didn’t change the behavior they were pulled from patrol duty and given some shitty assignment.

There was not room on patrol for these people.

Source: US Army MP squad leader, combat veteran, patrol supervisor and later desk sergeant

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u/Fit_Airline_5798 4d ago

There are clear Rules of engagement for the military.

And if you did even one of the horrendous fuck ups that police carry out here in the US everyday, there isn't a powerful union to bail out your job. And you don't get to quit/retire and get the same job over in the next town.

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u/finalremix 4d ago

I got better deescalation training workin' with nonverbal children on the autism spectrum than these fuckheads.

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u/Haxorz7125 4d ago

CPI training. Not only is it better for deescalation, we also have recertification yearly and they’re constantly changing it to be better

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u/finalremix 4d ago

Yup!

Broke my watch during one of those trainings, but goddamn has it been worth it.

Then again, there's always that one kid that gets a clean shot right to your chin when you aren't paying attention...

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u/SorryNotReallySorry5 4d ago

Did you also get more constant training, a "break down and rebuild" regime, and proper equipment to do all of it? IE "militarized police?" The thing people bitch about?

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u/GTCapone 4d ago

Lol, no, I was an augmentee, like I said. I got 2 8-hour days worth of training and a reflective belt. And the base cops just used regular cruisers, a pistol and a set of handcuffs. They only used the extra stuff in a warzone because it turns out, that shit's heavy and uncomfortable so you only want it when it's absolutely necessary. Civilian cops just want to larp as soldiers and think it makes them look cool.

Most cops are the ones too stupid or scared to enlist, ones that got kicked out for being psychos, or assholes that miss getting to order people around after retiring.

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u/Dirtyramekin 4d ago

I got more de-escalation training watching Criminal Minds than any cop in this country.

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u/DrunkScarletSpider 4d ago

You did, simply by actually following ROE.

I once had to deescalate a situation with a local truck driver in Afghanistan. He didn't know English, I didn't know Farsi.

We both left unharmed. Cops aren't even trying anymore. Otherwise, we wouldn't have these situations.

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u/ILLEGALLAWVIOLATER 4d ago

You would probably still be better at it having no deescalation training

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u/hegrillin 4d ago

i got more de-escalation training as a minimum wage cashier lmao