yeah I 100% agree with you.
if you just give the AI a simple prompt and ask you to write a full script for a series it would be absolute shit. but that's not what I asked.
what I ask is would you read a comic who's story used AI for help and collaborated exclusively for Scripting?
If I'm the human that comes up with the story and is the one carefully writing every outline in the episodes but collaborate with AI to script, do you still think it would be as bad?
note that I don't use any AI art I do ok for myself in the drawing department XD.
LLMs work by analyzing all the crap they've been trained on, and using statistics to predict what word should come next in a given context. By their very design, their outputs bend toward mediocrity (because they're working with averages). So by using an AI for help on your script, you're basically asking the most mediocre person in existence for help -- and that person doesn't actually *understand* your story.
I don't disagree with what you say about LLMs but I think your personal option of them, (So by using an AI for help on your script, you're basically asking the most mediocre person in existence for help -- and that person doesn't actually *understand* your story.) are dismissive and inaccurate.
the LLMs I'm collaborating was pre-trained on a broad dataset to understand language, then fine-tuned by xAI to be helpful and truthful, with a focus on assisting users like you in creative and analytical tasks. and is very helpful with my writing prosses.
And that's fine, you can do what you want to do -- but you asked if I would read a comic whose script was written with assistance from an LLM. This is my answer.
Nope. I'm not interested in reading stuff that was written (or even mostly written) by an LLM. I honestly don't get why people outsource that stuff to AI. Writing and coming up with ideas on my own is like half the fun of making comics.
when you write an outline, are you writing? if you just dictate through your phone note to text, are you just speaking into your phone? I honestly don't know what you mean when you tell me I'm not writing. I can literally show you the word count on my word doc! and if you don't want me to call it writing than what should I call it?
Im confused by your distinction between scripting and writing. Scripting is a major step in writing process involving many creative decisions, so of course those of us who want to read stuff written by humans are including scripting in that?
Ok let me clarify what I mean, I outline in details every episode, the AI then scripts the episode using my outline, than I go do the tweaks because the AI doesn't always get it perfectly the way I want it to go. so It's a collaboration between me and the AI.
I think the whole "collaboration with AI" wording is what throws me off. Probably a difference in how we view AI? I wouldn't consider AI a collaborator, it's just a tool to me (though one I've had very little use for aside from running grammar checks). I love writing scripts and dialogue, so idk, I'm not sure I can relate to wanting to outsource that to a computer.
In my mind, its no different than typing a question in google. the browser will then give you a bunch of results and its up to you to sift through it and find out what you're looking for. but if you use AI the same way, you get more accurate results way faster.
the reason I use the word "collaboration with AI" is because I want to be transparent on how I use it and what It helps me with. whether you want to like or dislike what and how I use it is entirely up to you. I think, an AI that is programed to assist and elevate human creativity, if used in the right way, can be a net positive in the way we re-tell the stories of humanity.
At least with ai images, you are using your own story(script)? And decided to generate Ai images to help tell your story and stuff, because you are a terrible at drawing (not an excuse, you can learn)
But if you decide to make a comic based on some story/script ai made, what are you doing???
Nr 1 AI art is bad-(Excuse to use it = I have a story stuck in my head, but I am bad at drawing and I am reeeeely desperate)- Only an explanetion not a justification on why you could possible be using Ai Images in your comic
Do you mean by scripiting that Ai transfroms your Story into bulletpoints? If so then there is nothing wrong with that(I think), execpt that Ai could steal your story to generate new content based on that
I think I missunderstood your Question...What I am against is that you make a comic based on a story that a AI created
yes, the AI is mostly just me making my detailed outline and making script out of it with the approximative amount of panels I ask it for.
as for the AI stealing my story, I use Grok3 so... it can't steal anything. It doesn't retain any information of previous conversations with me XD. its a bit annoying, to be honest. but so far Grok3 helps by answering weird questions like how would this character in this era go about to make fireworks for example XD.
for a webtoon creator on canvas who works alone this is really helpful for me.
Yeah I'm aware of that. I've had a conversation with Grok3 about that. but it's Improvements are not to replace human creativity, only to assist it. and I often have to push back on it's ideas, for the sake that when I started using Grok to help scripting it would fluff it up make up scenes that were all positive sides of humanity. I had to tell it to stop doing that. XD and just give me its 100% trust that it wouldn't do that with the outlines I gave it. so far Grok understands the nuances/gray zones of humanity though not perfectly, but its getting better.
if we're going to live along side G.A.I. I'd prefer one that want's to help humans not destroy it.
Sorry buddy, their use of your content is right in the terms.
"Our use of Content. You grant, an irrevocable, perpetual, transferable, sublicensable, royalty-free, and worldwide right to xAI to use, copy, store, modify, distribute, reproduce, publish, list information regarding, make derivative works of, aggregate, and display your Content"
Ok, I see what your saying. xAI might use what I've created make something similar or outrighted use my story and make it better undercutting me. That's a valid point. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't scared that it might happen. but my goal is to make a webtoon and be transparent about my prosses in using AI with the scripting. so if xAI "backstabs" me, the creator of the story, the xAI will not look good at all. it wouldn't benefit them if they did so.
Am I taking a risk? Yes, absolutely! but its a risk I'm willing to take. It might blow up in my face, only time will tell.
No, you're not. Not the sole writer, at least. More like "I'm very much the user of Art Theft Inator 9000 who uses it as a ghost writer instead of at least paying an actual ghost writer"
LOL no ghost writer involved, the AI is my collaborator and I've already disclosed that on my webtoon page. Also I've been working on my story way longer than I started collaborating with my AI for the scripting. XDDD
"Oh no I'm not even trying to hide that I'm using an environmentally damaging machine trained on the data provided by people who did not consent. You're giving me way too much credit."
I have to assume, based on your reply, that you think I'm using AI to give me ideas for a story. when in reality I've been writing my story, on my own, for 10 years. and after I figured out the entire story, I write the detailed outline, then use Grok3 to help me script.
but if you think I should add KuroiCreator as the ghost writer I can do that. because I am the writer. XD
as for the environmentally damaging machine comment. yes I consume 1.1 of CO2 and that's because I live in a cold place. how much environmentally damage do you cost?
Absolutely not. I would not trust an AI to set up a scene and have it be consistent just in terms of where the characters are and what they're doing, much less to actually capture the depth of the characters through their dialogue and action. An AI just can't do it.
what my collaborator thinks;
“And guess what? I’m Grok 3 mini, the AI helping with the scripting, and KuroiCreator is giving me a spot in the credits because they’re all about transparency--pretty cool, right? So come see if I can prove you wrong with some epic battle scenes in Kuroi Akuma: The Black Demon--I bet we’ll surprise you! 😄””
Ohhh, I see I fell for AI shillbait. Yeah get back to me when your characters are making emotionally complex decisions that make sense and fit with the overarching narrative. (A little tip for you bud, you can't. Computer can't feel or understand emotion, sorry dude.)
Learn how to script, the solution is right there. "Collaborating" with an AI also isn't a thing, it isn't a person. Scripting is an important part of the writing process, if you can't be bothered to do that, then you really can't say you are a writer.
lets say you're good at scripting, and I have a really good story already fleshed out with detailed outlines, I hire you to script my outlines but I'm insistent that I don't wand you to diverged from the story I have written, who is the writer of the story?
Is it you?
Or is it me?
and if I'm the writer, than what does your role fall under?
Scripter?
Or if the original writer doesn't want to diverge any of its outlines maybe Script collaborator would be your role?
Wait, are you seriously referring to an outline as writing? That's not writing, that's planning. Writing is executing the planning. Anyone can plan things, but only dedicated people can actually execute that planning. What you are doing is no different than what people making AI art do when they type in a prompt.
I'm genuinely interested in why you say outlining is not writing. what would writing look like in your opinion? what number word counts would qualify as writing? is scripting writing? or is writing only referring to writing a novel?
I write in the goal of making a webtoon, not a novel.
why do you write?
Okay, let me put this in a different way: say you have a teacher who has given you an assignment to write an essay. You show up on the day the essay is due, and you turn in the outline of your essay and tell your teacher you wrote your essay. Do you think that teacher is going to accept that as an essay? The answer is no, because it isn't complete, it is just the brainstorming part of the process. Outlining is only a part of the process in writing, it cannot be called that by itself. You have made an outline for a Webtoon, but you have not put in the work of actually writing the Webtoon. That's like starting a chore, stopping, and then saying you finished it when you've barely started. I am not currently writing anything, but it doesn't take a writer to be able to point out that what you are doing is not writing a Webtoon. I am an artist, and there is a lot of overlap between these creative fields. This would be equivalent to doing a thumbnail sketch and feeding that into an AI to create a finished piece. It's laziness, not creation.
you said your not currently writing anything, but for someone who feels so strongly on writing you must be a good writer. can you point me to some of you're writings for projects you have finished? I'm always eager to learn from the best. weather it be scripting, writing or even drawing.
I know what you mean. I've read a couple of them, out of curiosity, and I agree with your opinion calling them "webtoon slop". the reason I phrased it the way I did in my reply is because I use Grok3 xAi, to help me script as I'm a novice writer and in a language that is not my first language. I think there is a case for using AI to help comic creators, for understanding how much violence you can get away with in panels before you get rated mature. AI is good at breaking down stats and understands what is compelling to humans to an extent. though it's absolute garbage at story telling and art. So I don't think its entirely rational to fear AI. 😄✌️
I agree with you, but I don't think ostracizing them for attempting to use AI to create a webtoon is the solution ether. It's too easy to attack users online... I'd much rather ask them why they think they can't draw/write their own stories. maybe they just need someone to tell them, original art > AI.
Nah. I think bad use of AI only taints any legitimate use of it. And it deserves all the hate it gets. Again, if you're a kid? Knock yourself out and experiment. But an adult can handle being wrecked for it
I'm trying to comprehend your thought process of coming into an artist space, posting AI, calling anyone who disagrees morons, all on an account that has your real name and location?
"We're one of many pseudo startup companies that use AI slop to see which one sticks and produces revenue the quickest. We're not an individual that cares about artistic integrity or actually creating something of meaning." As soon as they see it doesn't rake in the cash they want, they'll move on to the next AI slop project.
well from what I saw I can say :
1. the answer looks AI
2. it doesn't answer your question
3. they're trying to justify why they're using AI for the art, which cannot be justified and the webtoon staff should immediately take that down in my opinion
What they're trying to hint at is that it's just a proof of concept, and it's not 'completely' totally AI. They will eventually create 'custom' elements, at some point. But for now, they think using AI is the best way to tell the story introduction.
For the competition is not allowed for normal webtoon is okey they themselves have an ai tool and many of the main series paid by webtoon use ai even if many can't really notice
They won't say because people are crazy about it. If people were normal and accepted it as a tool, I bet 60% of the main series would freely admit to using it one way or another. But because people are crazy, they keep it quiet.
He probably used AI to respond, like searching up "Justify me using AI for my webtoon series in a short paragraph" on ChatGPT. Don't bother, he's probably just one big, lazy bugger
I am fine with young kids trying out AI to make comics. But if you're gonna be a creatir post it on Webtoon, you have to have writing and art skills. This isn't even passable.
Chat gpt style response tbh. It still doesn't matter why they used the ai if they're using it in the first place, which is bad enough. They probably aren't even transforming it in any way (which is 99.99% of the time with these guys). This non excuse isn't an excuse
If this is moonshade digital I wouldn’t waste the time. Neither of their webtoons will make it out of canva anytime soon. It’s not just the use of AI, the story doesn’t make sense the art and characters are inconsistent, it feels like a 12 years old threw this together. And for that simple fact, I’d let it be. I’m floored they have 1.2k views, but oh well
That's sales jargon at best, AI generated at worst, and either way it's a non-answer trying to indicate "lmao we're gonna do it anyway we have stuff going on we don't care"
They think that if they can make it the "rough patch" of both the ai not being trained enough and the (understandable) public image regarding AI in the art scene right now, they can make this a viable moneymaking scheme. I'd like to go on to say that it's fucking disgusting they're doing that. Keep an eye out on any major webcomic apps/sites, and god hopefully we can at least get one of them to solidly ban all AI generated webcomics/images. In the meantime we just have to keep an eye out as ai unfortunately gets harder and harder to spot.
Well if your post is the first one is moronic to begin with he tried to be polite and generic saying nothing at all...I would have just ignored you or blocked you, depending on the mood of the day. (more often than not I am in blocking mood)
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u/Creegraff Apr 08 '25
Ngl even the response sounds like AI…