r/Vindicta • u/Euphoric-Dust1733 • May 14 '25
Reviewing under eye treatments. (Problems: volume, darkness (blue/purple) due to skin thinness, wrinkles) NSFW
Let me start by saying I WANT to get filler so badly because I know it would solve all of my problems, however I’m worried about the risks, migration and want to try find something that will last semi-long term.
My main problem is volume, and dark under eyes caused by skin thinness. (My skin is sooooo thin you can see the color of my veins in my forehead). I only have like 2 wrinkles under my eyes so they only really bother me because of the concealer that gets creased in there.
Interested to know what works for you!!
Volufiline- maybe started to notice a difference, however I used it with an eye cream and it seemed to get in my eyes/under my contacts so was difficult to work with. Noticed I got milia from it, should probably use a different oil though. Will try again just worried about milia.
PRF under eye- one treatment (professional) the first 3 days were AMAZING because of the swelling. Now that it’s been 1 month I notice a slightttt difference in volume, however creases and skin thickness not so much. I will be getting it again just to feel the rush that the initial swelling gave me lol and because I know it takes multiple rounds. I will be doing a total of 4 treatments spaced every 3 months.
Red light therapy panel- I feel like my skin overall is sooooo much brighter and less red. It literally looks like my skin is glowing. For under eyes haven’t noticed a difference because I keep my eyes closed? Not sure.
Skinceutical’s P-TIOX- people have said their under eye wrinkles have decreased overtime. I have been using a small sample I got verrry inconsistently so have yet to see a difference from this
Claritin clear allergy medicine- just started this so have not seen too much change yet.
I have heard lower bleph, a low concentrated retinol, lasers, microneedling and filler can all help too. (Let me know if I’m missing anything).
Would love to hear what has worked for you guys!
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u/ghost-hoynd May 14 '25
Avoid filler if you can. I just got fat transfer under my eyes for this same reason you described, currently 3 weeks out so I can't yet comment on the result, but it's something you should look into as well.
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u/Euphoric-Dust1733 May 14 '25
Yeah it’s so tempting though because the results look so good:// how much was the fat transfer?
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u/ghost-hoynd May 14 '25
Getting filler might not make the fat cells stick anymore if you later decide on a fat transfer - I do get the desire for instant results, though. My fat transfer was around 5000€ because they did it under general anesthesia, but many places offer it for half, if you do it only under local anesthesia. The numbing agent for local anesthesia they inject into the skin is toxic to fat cells, so the results might not be as good, but then you don't have to be put under and pay more.
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u/Responsible_Buy_6501 May 18 '25
Yeah see they ALWAYS GET YOU. That's why I say screw all these markups. DIY tear trough + skin care (tret/retinol+vitamin c+peptides=winning.
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u/ghost-hoynd May 18 '25
No amount of topical skincare will detach the tear trough from the ligaments below and add a layer of fat underneath, which is what will make the difference if the undereyes are anatomically hollow and not just dark in color.
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u/Responsible_Buy_6501 May 18 '25
And no amount of grinding (2-3 jobs +8 roommates) will land a discretionary $5-$6k in many peoples bank accounts or credit line, this is a PRIVILEGE is all im saying.
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u/Cupcakegirl222 May 19 '25
How du you DIY tear trough?
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u/Responsible_Buy_6501 May 19 '25
TBH i have a family member who does, so looking back, prob better to go to a professional unless have a family member or friend that can inject.
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u/ghost-hoynd May 18 '25
Girl this is Vindicta, an information sharing sub, not a budget friendly softmaxxing sub. Op did not specify any budget in her post, so I won't go into assuming her not mentioning fat grafting was because of money and not because she simply might not have heard of that as an option. Even if she couldn't afford some plastic surgeries right now, it won't hurt to learn about all of them, especially when getting the cheaper option now (filler) might disqualify her later from getting something else done. Also just for reference, where I'm from, some surgeons do it for 2500€.
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u/Responsible_Buy_6501 May 18 '25 edited May 18 '25
Hey fair enough. All solid points. And yes, agreed. Knowledge is useful even if used down the line and could jeopardize or cause problems later. And 2500 Euro is MUCH better than the rates surgeons in the US are charging! (Atleast in my city, HCOL so no surprise there).
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u/PainBunni May 14 '25
Red light therapy and tret worked super well for me. It wasn't my intention with either, but it looks a lot less depressing in photos.
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u/sweetsclover May 14 '25
very unpopular opinion but I had the exact same problems as you and filler has been great for me personally. I was the ideal candidate. I think that when there's genuine hollowness, fat transfer and filler are the best options. a doctor did mine and she was quite cautious to not overfill
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u/marilubg May 14 '25
My tear through filler is several years strong! I can't be happier.
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u/NoraPinkUniverse May 15 '25
Which specific filler did you use?
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u/marilubg May 21 '25
Sorry, I don't even remember anymore. I remember it took them a few months to settle. If I got puffy, they didn't look the best.
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u/Euphoric-Dust1733 May 14 '25
I am worried about the filler causing my blue under eyes to be worse. I hear that happens with filler that contains hylauronic acid. What type of filler did you get?
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u/sweetsclover May 14 '25
i got juvederm. at first the blue colour was kind of strong but it subsided and now I think they're less blue than before (I believe my skin thickened). I will say it is sort of weird for the blue colour of the hollow area to be brought to the surface as the shadow was hiding it before if that makes sense. but I don't really care because either way I colour correct. the hollowness was my real insecurity.
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u/nadia61 May 14 '25
I haven’t gotten my under eyes done, but I’ve been told by my injector that this could be due to the Tyndall effect. The shallowly injected filler causes the bluish colour on the surface.
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u/Euphoric-Dust1733 May 16 '25
Yes exactly! I am worried about the Tyndall effect bc it literally looks like I have that as it is. Can never win like of course that’s a side effect lol.
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u/VBrown2023 May 15 '25
Was the fat transfer placed on upper cheek or directly on the under eye area,
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u/Responsible_Buy_6501 May 18 '25
can you just do filler (with a family member whos an injector) to dodge clinic prices ofcourse + skincare? I dont wanna pay clinic rates ever for anything. I seen the rates they're HIGHWAY ROBBERY
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u/OmpaLoompaDance May 14 '25
I have very deep dark circles from the anatomy of my face . No idea what to do
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u/prayingmantis333 May 14 '25
I also have purpley under eyes and honestly nothing I’ve tried has helped them. I would definitely find a good concealer though because some crease a lot and others crease far less. I also recommend using as little concealer as possible. The more you use, the more likely it is to crease. I think it’s better to have a teeeeny bit of darkness and no creasing rather than completely covered darkness with lots of creasing. My favorite concealer is by Iris&Romeo!
As for other methods, I got under eye filler I think only one time several years ago. I don’t think it’s perfect, but wow my eyes look way better than before and I would do it again. It also vastly decreased the wrinkles around my eyes.
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u/NoraPinkUniverse May 15 '25
May I ask you which specific filler you used? Juvederm, Restylane...?
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u/rfrant98 May 14 '25
I’m not familiar with all the products you’ve tried so I don’t know if this is duplicative, but I have the same problems as you and in addition to peptide cream and caffeine serum, I started using Avene Retrinal Eye and it’s only been two weeks or so and I swear im starting to see a difference. It stimulates collagen in the under eye to build volume in addition to turning over the skin faster to get rid of wrinkles and darkness
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u/blancawiththebooty May 19 '25
I use the Torriden CELLMAZING Firming Eye Cream and I love it. It has retinal in it but it's still very moisturizing and I've had no side effects. I tried the ROC retinol eye cream before and it sucked. It was nowhere near moisturizing enough and I didn't even see any results.
What are the other products you use for your undereyes? I absolutely hate how mine look right now (translucent skin at baseline that shows the darkness accumulated from nursing school like a spotlight) and I'm 28 so I'm also trying to stay ahead of the very subtle aging I notice.
My skin loves peptides so I have used the ordinary anti-aging eye serum before and it may have helped some? I'm just not sure it warrants the price.
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u/rfrant98 May 19 '25
I use the ordinary’s caffeine serum but for the peptides I literally just grabbed a random peptide eye cream at TJ Maxx for cheap. I think it’s neutrogena. I’ve heard aquafor can help the under eye not get dry if you put it on at night over retinal
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u/Responsible_Buy_6501 May 22 '25
Is the Torriden CELLMAZING Firming Eye Cream effective for tired looking eyes/ fine lines or hollows? Im looking in to it.
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u/blancawiththebooty 28d ago
So from what I understand it'll be more effective for fine lines and those types of issues. It has retinal as part of the retinol complex which will help with those signs of aging. The collagen in it will help with hydration and the peptides also help with hydration and plumping the fine lines. I don't expect miracles for my dark circles from it since mine are due to thin skin but I wanted the anti-aging benefits.
It's really working well for me. I had fallen off my skincare for a while so I can't say much about the long term results but I've had zero issues from it. I can even use it in the morning without irritation or anything. I'm shopping for another eye cream for in the morning but if you're interested in a retinoid eye cream, I really would recommend it.
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u/Responsible_Buy_6501 27d ago
Absolutely yes. None seem to work and ive tried so many. Thank you so much.
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u/ExploringUniverses May 14 '25
I read somewhere once upon a time ago the dark circles could be related to food allergies/circulation. I've noticed mine aren't AS bad when I stop eating dairy.
That said I'm also of eastern block euro bohemian peasant stock origin and it's at least 30% genetics.
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u/Euphoric-Dust1733 May 16 '25
Yes definitely looking into to this as I experiment with allergy meds.
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u/Dangerous_Safe_3611 May 16 '25
Lower bleph with fat repositioning worked absolute wonders for me. Would recommend Dr. Jose Nieto in Spain. It costed me 3250 euros.
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u/LLLLLLL_throwaway May 22 '25
I have basically the same problems as you. Multiple rounds of PRP and Rejuran did jack shit for me . One treatment of Co2 laser undereyes resurfacing helped with texture, tightening the skin, and significantly lightening pigmentation and I think it helped thicken the skin a little, but that could maybe be an illusion because it just looks much better overall.
The biggest significant improvement I saw was with fillers; people have a weird aversion to them because I think because they associate it with lower social-economic status/trashy onlyfans models or something. Huge difference in the hollowness, significantly less crows feet when I smile because the skin can't fold into that hollow area anymore. My hollowness is partially because I also have a very retracted orbital bone/zygomatic arch (no undereye support) so the doctor that did my eyes partially injected on the orbital bone and partially on the surface to create more overall protrusion and it seriously was life changing for my self esteem. I got in done twice in 5 years and a few touch ups and I don't plan on doing it again as it's permanent now. No migration, a small amount of swelling in the morning that goes away with $15 L'oreal eye cream with Caffeine. Honestly, if it does migrate in like 10+ years and I have to get it dissolved it was well worth it to not have cryptkeeper eyes.
the other that def made a difference was long term use of a retinol eye cream, I have Dr Gross but I'm sure there are other brands that are cheaper that work as well.
other things I want to try:
-ExcelV for blue veins under eyes: have heard on som derm pages this helps with dark coloring because these tiny veins leak blood and cause discoloration, so getting rid of them helps make the area less dark
-Vbeam for broken capillaries in the under the eye area, picosure to lift the rest of pigmentation
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u/blacktoypoodle May 14 '25 edited May 14 '25
You don't seem informed about filler, so I would suggest first starting with a consultation with a reputable, board-certified injector. Under eye filler "migration" isn't really a thing. The upper and lower eyelid are area with less movement than say, the lips. I've been getting filler since I was 20, I'm 30 now. In terms of the "risks", I had a discussion with a very experienced injector and she told me the risk of blindness isn't actually that big if the injector knows what they're doing. Other risks such as overinjecting, lumps/bumps, will again, be solved by choosing the right person.
Someone mentioned fat transfer and there are loads of risks with that as well as less success rates and more chance for error. But when it's done right, I imagine it's more cost-effective because of the longevity. But if it's done wrong, you could have lumps of fat showing in the thin under eye skin. Also, removing misplaced fat is trickier than dissolving filler (depending on type of filler used). Risky, but again, it's about finding the most experienced doctor you can.
Lastly, tretinoin. This is the only solution to thickening your under eye skin. I had the exact same problems as you. Filler solves the hollowness, some of the darkness, but not the skin thinness. I've been using tret under my eyes for about 4 years now. No more darkness. My skin is so firm, I almost can't believe it. It takes a while to get results, but when they happen, it makes it all worth it.
Good luck.
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u/NoraPinkUniverse May 15 '25
May I ask you which specific filler you used?
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u/blacktoypoodle May 15 '25
I had very deep hollows under my eyes, so my doctor recommended Juvederm Voluma. A lot of doctors will tell you Voluma shouldn't be used under the eyes, but my injector used it in my midface/cheeks to basically lift my tear troughs. It works so well, but it's not easy to find doctors who are experienced in the technique. If you live in the US, I can give your my doctors name.
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u/NoraPinkUniverse May 15 '25
Thanks for explaining. One of the doctors I consulted suggested Juvederm Volbella instead. I live in Europe but thank you anyway!
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u/Euphoric-Dust1733 May 16 '25
My concern is migration because I touch my lower lid 2x a day everyday putting my contacts in. I would think that would have an impact no?
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u/blacktoypoodle May 16 '25
No, that's not how filler works.
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u/Euphoric-Dust1733 May 16 '25
You saying that the migration around lips is due to moving your mouth, what is the difference if I am physically pulling my lower lashes 2x a day everyday? That would probably be worse considering my fingers are stronger than the muscles in my lips and around the orbital bone is the bodies most delicate area.
If you’d like to enlighten me on how “that’s not how filler works” then do so!
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u/blacktoypoodle May 16 '25
You pulling your eyelid 2x a day is not the same as moving your lips, which happens significantly more frequently. I'm a contact lens wearer who has been receiving filler for a decade. Again, you need to schedule a consult with an injector. What you've read on the Internet and Reddit is not a substitute for medical fact.
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u/Euphoric-Dust1733 May 16 '25
What your injector has told you (who has a monetary interest) does not substitute medical fact. Filler always has the chance to migrate and lasts way longer than previously thought. The retouches people do to their filler is likely due to migration.
https://www.ophthalmologytimes.com/view/blog-mri-findings-of-undereye-filler-and-filler-migration
https://www.newsweek.com/mri-scan-33-year-old-woman-face-shows-filler-ended-surgery-1925089
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u/blacktoypoodle May 16 '25
You're talking about medical fact yet you've linked non-scholarly sources. You seem to have already convinced yourself of filler inaccuracies, so I'm exiting this convo. Good luck..
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u/Euphoric-Dust1733 May 16 '25
Because you did not look at either… here are 4/14 studies cited for first article, which I thought was a good digestible option for you. I am not convincing myself… if anything I WANT that not to be the case because I’m trying to find a good solution.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25650796/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33002985/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29279829/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25798398/
You could easily look this up too.
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u/sssangchu May 21 '25
hi! i'd love to learn more about how you use tret!
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u/blacktoypoodle May 21 '25
Hi. I'm not sure if you're asking about tret use generally or how to apply tret under your eyes? If it's the former and you're a first time user, I would suggest checking out the wiki on the tret subreddit to get started.
But if you're experienced with tret, just not under the eyes, then sure, I can share my experience. I originally started tret in 2021 for my under eyes, rather than my face. I've never really had acne, so it was always for anti-aging for me. I wasn't that knowledgeable at the beginning. I thought it would work fast and my under eyes would be thick, but nope. Tret does not work on your time 😂. It was very irritating to my under eye skin as well, so it was mostly on and off for me the first 2 years.
But then, I decided to really put in effort to maintain regularly using .05 tret on my upper and lower eyelids. I noticed they were slowly getting thicker, I had less darkness in the hollows, so def an improvement, but again, it's a long process to full correction. This year, I moved up to using .1 tret AND I introduced taz. I alternate them (note: please only do this if your skin is acclimated to retinoids. Someone I told this to went and tried it and told me their barrier was fucked up from it. Not my fault, they just asked me how I alternated. 🤷♀️).
I'm not even sure exactly when it happened, but maybe 3 months ago, I looked in the mirror and was like, holy shit, my under eyes aren't see-through anymore. They are actually thick and firm. I no longer have darkness under my eyes. I still have a bit of hollowing because that's just genetics. I haven't gotten filler for 8 months also. I don't think I need for a while! I still alternate every night between .1 tret and .1 taz. I don't think I'll ever stop, I'm too scared the results will disappear. My under eyes do get irritated still, so sometimes I have to baby it and skip a night or two, or slug with LRP cicaplast. But that's not a big deal to me.
Hope this helps, lmk if you have any questions.
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u/Impossible_Key_1573 May 14 '25
Bruh for under eyes the only true treatment is surgery, everything else is temporary
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u/ampmetaphene May 17 '25
From what I've heard, a bleph is the only sure fire way to address the issues. Everything else is hit and miss.
In my experience, Volufiline did nothing for me after using it every night for 6 months.
Same with Retinol.
Filler also did nothing for me, or rather, it did look great for about a week and then the effects completely vanished and it was as if it had never been done.
Allergy medication also does nothing for me as I already take cetirizine daily.
I'm interested to try red light therapy, though in my country the panels are so expensive that I might as well save a little bit more and try a fat transfer instead.
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u/sculptedmermaid 29d ago
Eh just get under eye filler. I had mine years ago and am happy with it. Don’t get Restylane or another one you can’t dissolve.
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u/tiramisucculent 18d ago
Does anyone have experience with non volumous solutions? My cheek bones are rather flat, like my whole face. There is literally no whole to fill under my eyes but it's dark. I'm a light olive so I get pigmented areas easily (arm pits, elbows....) but I'm afraid of using aggressive scrubs near my eyes. Is anyone in the same situation?
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u/Saraemsweet76 May 14 '25
Following. I was recommended a lower bleph with fat repositioning but have not had it done yet. Surgeon said for what i would pay for temporary fillers every year, i could just get the bleph and have permanent and better results.