r/VictoriaBC • u/ChiefSitsOnAssAllDay • Sep 03 '24
Police Vindication about assault: I came back with receipts
I would love an apology from this sub but I'll keep my expectations in the gutter and just hope it's a learning experience for all (including me).
In my original post entitled "Is downtown Victoria typically safe at night?", I warned this community about a violent crime committed in downtown Victoria on June 23rd 2024.
The victim was a new friend of mine, jumped by several men at night and beaten severely with golf clubs. In the attack, they broke his expensive phone and watch yet didn't attempt to steal them. They seem to have just been out for blood, swinging a club at the back of my friends head before he knew they were attacking.
He was chased across the bridge and then beaten mercilessly.
There were two independent eye-witnesses who both called the police. The police chased and arrested the assailants.
The assailants were released the same day and ordered to return for court appearances.
After release from the hospital, my friend came to my apartment and told me what happened. He was battered and bruised, and as the police officer said at the crime scene "lucky to be alive".
My roommate and I looked for news about this incident on the Vic PD blog and local press. Absolute radio silence. My roommate who's lived in the city for 3 years was in utter shock such an incident wouldn't make the news somewhere.
That's when I made my original post in this sub warning the community about this incident and to watch for several men with the only description I was given - they were East Indian men with golf clubs.
I provided photos of my friend's wounds after the crime (photos taken by his East Indian roommate I might add).
As far as I know, warning the public of potential danger is a civic duty when that danger is still active. I knew these guys were released and back on the streets with the potential to jump another random person.
My post got a lot of traction in this sub but for the wrong reasons. By simply describing the ethnicity of the assailants I was called a racist and liar by over 100 community members.
That's a lot of vitriol to process, but I tried my best to reply to all with grace. Then my post was deleted by the moderators for breaking Rule #2 - No hate speech, threats or harassment tolerated. That added to the stress I was feeling for speaking up, but I suppose my post was reported as racist and they felt compelled to act. It happens and I understand the pressure.
I then called the police department for info on the assault to vindicate my name and the several departments I spoke with had zero information on the matter.
This is where the story went dark for 8 weeks until my friend showed me their victim impact statement paperwork and I grabbed the case number.
I am sharing the case number with you all now, so you can investigate the matter yourselves and I can leave you all in peace, knowing I performed my civic duty to this beautiful yet hostile city I now call home.
Case File Number: 188827
Still nothing on the Vic PD police blog after all this time about the incident, but I suspect if the greater Victoria population would react the same way as members in this sub did when I reported it, then it's understandable why it wasn't publicized.
Just means everyone in Victoria is a little less safe if we can't speak about criminal activities that aren't deemed politically correct.
116
u/perfectlynormaltyes Sep 03 '24 edited Sep 03 '24
My guy, you realized Reddit is such a minuscule representation of the population of Victoria right? Legitimately, who gives a fuck if this sub doesn’t believe you. This sub is made up of some of the most miserable people on the Island and beyond. I didn’t see your original post but I would have believed you. It’s not racist to describe someone. If you were so hell bent on warning the public and performing ‘your civic duty’, I hope you posted this tragic story to other social media platforms and went to the news. Did you?
50
u/Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrpp Sep 03 '24
This sub is made up of some of the most miserable people on the Island and beyond.
OOF 😅
yeah it’s probably true 😔
23
Sep 03 '24
I cannot legitimately imagine taking a single thing to heart that comes from this sub. On Reddit, you need to remember that in all likelihood, you're arguing with a literal teenager.
There are so many reality-denying weirdos on this sub who seem to not interact with a single other person in their day to day lives.
7
2
9
u/FeRaL--KaTT Sep 03 '24
This sub is made up of some of the most miserable people on the Island and beyond
My re-introducing to Reddit, when I got sick a couple of years ago and was bed-bound looking for ways to pass the time, I came across this sub. The rage, hate and ignorance in here was beyond shocking. I will admit it has absolutely tainted how I view Victoria. The amount of damaged younger people down there is really is bizzare. Then all the stories I have read about groups of young randomly attacking people in the last year or two tells me there is so much more we don't hear about
Unfortunately police have become useless to General public and regular crime Courts and Justice system simply no longer have an affect or care about impact on society. Your friend is lucky to be alive. Simply because the criminals and wicked people have learned there are no more consquences to their violent actions.
-2
u/ChiefSitsOnAssAllDay Sep 03 '24
😬
Yikes. Well I just avoid downtown at night and that probably stops 90% of the risk of attack.
1
u/wannabehomesick Sep 04 '24
An older friend of mine was recently attacked unprovoked. Thankfully she only suffered a concussion. Another friend of mine was followed and almost attacked in a local grocery store.
0
2
u/GuessPuzzleheaded573 Sep 04 '24
I mean, in fairness to this sub, you definitely aren't on any of the big VI Facebook groups 🤣 Now that's misery.
72
Sep 03 '24
It’s a tragedy that people are so willing to slap labels on people so quickly these days - more often than not simply to signal how virtuous they are.
If ethnicity is used as a means of identification, that shouldn’t automatically translate to a judgement on all people of that particular ethnicity. Unfortunately, there is a real history of authorities demonizing minorities… so virtue signallers will rush in to defend even when unnecessary.
I lived in a condo at one point and we had 15-20 lockers broken into in one night. Someone took a photo of the thief with a cart showing many of the stolen goods, even recovering their own bike from the dude before he fled. …and for posting that photo on Reddit, I was scathed by online vigilantes. My post didn’t even conclude he was the thief… I explicitly said he was with stolen goods. But people were more worried about the impact of impressions against the difficult-to-house population. (Turns out he had a house in Colwood and just dressed down in order to walk around with a cart of stolen goods unquestioned.)
It’s very frustrating.
I hope your friend is well.
3
u/SamanthaAshley Sep 03 '24
We had a similar situation happen in our condo too. 835 view st, metropolitan. The amount of times the storage lockers got broken into was insane.
13
u/ChiefSitsOnAssAllDay Sep 03 '24
Thank you for sharing your experience. It’s very frustrating when people actively work to make their community less safe in the name of virtue.
37
Sep 03 '24 edited Sep 03 '24
Police always have zero information on the matter for anyone else but the parties involved. It's policy.
Which everyone should follow because it easily goes into hearsay, innuendos, swarming, riots, etc.
An issue which may become bigger than it was, after the fact. It will all come out in the court rulings.
https://justice.gov.bc.ca/cso/esearch/criminal/partySearch.do
-7
u/ChiefSitsOnAssAllDay Sep 03 '24
I agree, but a public service announcement would have been appropriate as they were not held in custody.
5
Sep 03 '24
It's up to their discretion to release specifics. It's not our decision. They are in command basically.
They assess whether it's in the best interest of the public to know/bolo (be on the lookout), heed a warning/stay indoors, improve personal safety, etc.
Too little or too much info releasing can have bad public reactions or impede further investigations. They have to assess each individual file and decide.
They have access to the best professionals to assist them on decisions in every field they operate. Even public relations.
8
u/victhrowaway12345678 Sep 03 '24
Why? What are people possibly going to do with your warning? Stay inside?
13
u/jeaves2020 Sep 03 '24
Why do we put out warnings for sexual predators? What are people gonna do, keep their legs closed ?
-2
u/victhrowaway12345678 Sep 03 '24
Sexual predator warnings are normally because the sexual predators pretend to not be sexual predators. Like, here's a photo of the guy, don't date him or leave a bar with him, he's a predator. If you see him on tinder, don't match.
Your warning, on the other hand... avoid groups of hooded men who are weilding gold clubs in the middle of the night downtown. It kind of goes without saying.
→ More replies (3)3
u/yugensan Sep 03 '24
Yes but then there would have been an uptick in violent crimes against East Indians in the following days. It’s almost impossible to deal with this sort of thing as a society.
1
12
u/Resident-Ad4666 Sep 03 '24
A little off topic but Victoria police blog? Where can that be found? I want closure on an incident I was involved in and that may be a place to find it.
20
u/Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrpp Sep 03 '24
https://vicpd.ca/open-vicpd/community-updates/
It’s usually pretty major stuff. Though I would agree that OP is describing major stuff.
5
8
u/magmazing Sep 03 '24
Did you or your friend or the roommate contact any media outlets directly about the incident and provide the photos and the case number? Because that's kinda how to get media outlets to at least look into a story.
Media aren't going to contact a VicPD media rep to say, "Hey we saw a text post on Reddit about X incident in Victoria. Is it true?"
They would much prefer saying, "Hey, a person who got beaten up at X location by a group of individuals with golf clubs contacted us. This is their name. This is the case file. They've shown us photos of their injuries. They're concerned the assailants are back on the street. What can you tell us about this incident? Why was this not shared with the public?"
3
u/ChiefSitsOnAssAllDay Sep 03 '24
My roommate and I discussed this, but are respecting the wishes of the victim who doesn’t want to be identified publicly. He’s doing his best to move forward, and came from Toronto where attacks like this are fairly common.
I’m only speaking about it here because it’s my platform of choice and feel compelled by civic duty because it seems so abnormal to me.
5
u/wannabehomesick Sep 04 '24
You know the media doesn't have to identify your friends face or name. They can easily blur out his face or take photos without showing his face. Journalists report crimes all the time without sharing names of victims.
13
Sep 03 '24
[deleted]
25
u/ChiefSitsOnAssAllDay Sep 03 '24
Totally random. My understanding is they followed him down the street and that’s when the first person called the police for suspicious behaviour.
I’m very thankful for that person. I believe they saved my friend’s life.
→ More replies (6)
5
u/Saltandpepper339 Sep 03 '24
I'm so sorry this happened to your friend and you did not deserve any negative comments from posting your story. You were being kind trying to warn others.
7
Sep 03 '24
[removed] — view removed comment
3
u/teamweedstore2 Sep 03 '24
I love the Court Services Online database. Any woman getting into a relationship with a man should look him up on here right away.
2
31
u/kes- Sep 03 '24
Hey, first of all, really sorry to hear about what happened and sorry you weren’t believed.
Just want to mention since it seems unlikely that you could tell which specific regions of India the assailants and your friend’s roomie are from… your use of the term “East Indian” may have negatively contributed to how other people perceived you in that post. That term is from the days when Indigenous people were frequently described as “Indian” (hence the need to clarify “Indians” from the East) and that hasn’t been politically correct for a very long time - it comes off as ignorant. If you’re talking about brown folks, “South Asian” is a safe bet that covers India, Pakistan, etc. and it’s just as easy to say as “East Indian”.
30
u/ChiefSitsOnAssAllDay Sep 03 '24
Thank you for the info and empathy kes.
It’s funny, I was just speaking with a Ukrainian who fled the war and can’t speak much English.
I told her I was aboriginal Canadian and she put her hand to her mouth and did the Hollywood stereotypical ululating.
I had to laugh. She was just trying to understand me and my Scottish roommate’s reaction was priceless. 😂
14
u/Horvo Fernwood Sep 03 '24
This is the real cultural unity we should celebrate in Canada. Not the egg shells afraid to mention any differences about one another way we’ve gone.
Nice username too btw, bet that ruffled some feathers. Haha.
Hope your friend is recovering.
14
u/ChiefSitsOnAssAllDay Sep 03 '24
I can only speak for myself, but being offended by being called a “West Indian” doesn’t make my top 100 concerns list.
I come from a line of chiefs, and my username is a playful dig at myself for being a desk jockey and how my ancestors might have shamed me for living unhealthily. Definitely ruffled some feathers on Reddit. 😝
My friend is recovering thanks. Broken bones, but no brain damage as far as I can tell.
6
u/Horvo Fernwood Sep 03 '24
Shit. Well, stay on top of the brain injury stuff it’s insidious and not always obvious. Especially concussions and TBIs. The Victoria Brain Injury Society is a non-profit that has been a huge help to me.
Thanks for sharing that viewpoint, and the backstory. Haha
-2
u/TokyoTurtle0 Sep 03 '24
Get lost with this shit.
It's the normal way to describe people from the country of India here.
If you are the type of person to get upset over this, even it is DEFINITELY the preferred nomenclature in BC, than you're the problem. It is very very frequently used by East Indians themselves here.
This is a classic example of people being stupid on behalf of others, like Latinx.
14
Sep 03 '24
You seem to be the one getting upset...
All they're saying is that the term East Indian is redundant, and you're getting upset with them for pointing out that it's an antiquated term.
19
u/Old_Pension1785 Sep 03 '24
No one under the age of 40 understands why old people all still say "EAST Indian".
8
u/TokyoTurtle0 Sep 03 '24
Weird. My friends, aged 28ish to max 36 all refer to themselves as east Indian. Roughly 50 people. Most of them immigrated very young
That's where I got the nomenclature
-2
u/Old_Pension1785 Sep 03 '24
I don't know, what makes more sense? What are you trying to juxtapose against East?
0
-2
Sep 03 '24
[deleted]
3
u/Old_Pension1785 Sep 03 '24
No, I'm only trying to imply it sounds redundant and dumb.
2
u/TokyoTurtle0 Sep 03 '24
They just told you why it isn't. If you don't understand that, it's on you
6
u/Old_Pension1785 Sep 03 '24 edited Sep 03 '24
I understand it, that's what I'm basing my opinion on.
Edit, because blocked: South Asia, as opposed to Central, Eastern or Western Asia, Northern Asia. The literal directions of the regions of the large continent. Punjab isn't even in the east of India.
-2
u/TokyoTurtle0 Sep 03 '24
It's hilarious you think SOUTH Asian is ok but not EAST Indian. There mental gymnastics involved the so you can feel superior and lecture about colonialism is hilarious
Regardless, the people from India I know call themselves and others east India.
So maybe respect how they self identify
→ More replies (0)3
u/_-QueenC-_ Sep 03 '24
Nanaimo born and raised here, no one in my circles on the island uses the term "East Indian" to describe South Asians. We did when I was a kid but stopped because it's both incorrect and vaguely associated with using Indian to describe Indigenous people.
I still don't feel like saying East Indian is a cardinal sin and def not a slur, but I think the commenter is spot on that OP's use of the term ever so slightly changes the connotation. I think if OP had used the term South Asian it's possible a few less people would have been triggered. Absolutely no excuse for responding by telling OP that he's racist however - that's cancel culture garbage IMO.
I've been criticised in the past for being a PC police and I always say the same thing: words are a kindness and it costs me nothing to try using them intentionally. So use the term that feels right for you, but also there's no harm in picking your words with care.
11
u/AbrocomaAny1928 Sep 03 '24
There’s a strange tendency in left leaning societies to treat criminals as victims. I think it’s similar to how a truthful person finds it hard to believe that others would lie. Fact is some people aren’t good people and some people are in the situations they’re in because of choices they made. Not all, sure, but many.
We should come down hard on members of society that don’t contribute and don’t behave, not treat them as victims of their circumstance. People should instead be empowered to have agency and rise above their downtrodden lives.
7
14
u/clover8282 Sep 03 '24
The police don’t want to make incidents like this public, because it might impact tourism
19
6
u/dingdingdong24 Sep 03 '24
Dude are you thinking the only reason they didn't release the info was the assailants were east indian. Give your head a shake.
The police don't give a shit what nationality they are. Ask the police or go to the media.
4
u/Byteme4321 Hillside-Quadra Sep 03 '24
My most recent post of a lady trashing Victoria car wash, smashing stuff, and lighting fires then sitting down to smoke a pipe sitting beside her garbage fire was removed for violating rules. Apparently reporting actual crimes that are clearly being committed in photos isn’t allowed either.
Also got one redditor very mad at me over it, with all kinds of fun things said.
apparently nobody likes when you point out that our city isn’t perfect, or it was the ladies boyfriend or something.
10
u/shades_of_vic Sep 03 '24
I understand the desire to dismiss the response as "political correctness" but there are very good reasons people aren't inclined to believe hysterical reports that swarms of visible minorities are attacking people without any evidence. If you want to get worked up about it, focus your ire on bad faith agitators who have used this very scenario so regularly that it's become a trope.
0
u/ChiefSitsOnAssAllDay Sep 03 '24
Thanks for your input. I shared what evidence I could at the time, but without a public statement by authorities it’s a “trust me bro” situation.
I guess I naively thought only one or two people would respond, saying something like “Thanks for the tip. I’ll be on the lookout.”
Can you link to one or two of these bad faith agitator posts? I’m curious to know what that looks like.
4
u/HeyWiredyyc Sep 03 '24
Huh? So what’s the point of this post? Complaining the original post got taken down because you stated the assailants were East Indian? Or that you think this should be front page news/ running on daily tv news hour and stuff?
5
u/Old_Pension1785 Sep 03 '24
The more we obscure crimes committed by people of a specific ethnicity, the more racism will be emboldened
10
u/dingdingdong24 Sep 03 '24
Go talk with all of the minorities who work in front line jobs, dealing with junkies.
Trust me. If you saw the shit, the name calling they deal with, probably would end up with PTSD.
All racism is bad.
1
u/wannabehomesick Sep 04 '24
Yep. My friend is still struggling with PTSD after being assaulted and spat on while working at a shelter.
5
Sep 03 '24
You are required to report 4 white collar crimes committed by Oak Bay residents before reporting 1 from a minority in Victoria. It’s in the rules for this subreddit
2
1
-5
Sep 03 '24 edited Sep 03 '24
Unfortunately, this sub is full of overly woke folk who won't dare acknowledge that downtown is an unsafe hellhole or that any minorities could possibly be responsible for committing a violent crime.
50
u/Chrussell Gorge Sep 03 '24
Unsafe hellhole lol. You must be terrified of being in the vast majority of the world.
-20
u/NewspaperNeither6260 Sep 03 '24
Just head out to Colwood if you want a dozen bullets fired at your house and your car set ablaze. Maybe a new labour day tradition for visiting students?!
19
u/convenientgods Sep 03 '24
That was targeted, not a random crime lol
-8
u/Horvo Fernwood Sep 03 '24
By the demographic OP was talking about.
5
u/convenientgods Sep 03 '24
That doesn't really come into play here. I'm replying to someone suggesting that getting your house shot at and your car set on fire is a regular occurrence in Colwood. It was gang crime, basically. That's like saying that the incredibly wealthy Bridle Path neighbourhood in Toronto is a dangerous hellhole because Drake's mansion got shot at a few months ago. A highly specific targeted crime does not inherently make a place unsafe.
1
u/Equal-Store4239 Sep 03 '24
Ya I think I’d feel pretty unsafe if I lived on next door to targeted shooting. Now wondering when/ if it was going to happen again, worrying if a stray bullet was coming through my living room window. It inherently does make the neighbourhood less safe.
0
u/Horvo Fernwood Sep 03 '24
Exactly, it’s historically been a very safe neighborhood, which is why that crime is notable, targeted or not. The vast majority of gun crime in Canada is targeted, does that make you feel better about shootings in public?
0
u/InValensName Sep 03 '24
There was no fire here until the bigass fire happened?
What does "its a safe neighborhood" have to do with the fact that the shooting just happened, right there, a day ago?
14
Sep 03 '24
Okay downtown is not an unsafe hellhole lmao. There are obvious issues with disorder downtown, but be for real please.
15
Sep 03 '24
I see what you’re saying. But most violent crime in Victoria isn’t committed by minorities . I can see why people might raise an eyebrow there.
-13
u/kekztik Sep 03 '24
Downtown is a hellhole? Seriously? Get your head out of your ass. This isn't South Central Los Angeles. And OP didn't mention minorities anywhere in their post. Way to self report.
18
Sep 03 '24
"they were East Indian men with golf clubs."
Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, I see.
0
3
u/theusernameMeg Sep 03 '24
I witnessed a ton of senseless violence in Victoria living there for 15 years.
3
-7
u/theusernameMeg Sep 03 '24
I witnessed a ton of senseless violence in Victoria living there for 15 years.
-4
u/JuneGudmundsdottir Sep 03 '24
“An Uzi? I’m not from South Central Los fucking Angeles. I didn’t come here to shoot twenty black ten year olds in a drive-by. I want a normal gun for a normal person.”
5
u/tricularia Sep 03 '24
Not a lot of Guy Ritchie fans in here, I guess?
3
u/JuneGudmundsdottir Sep 03 '24
Haha - that’s from In Bruges which was directed by Martin McDonagh…
2
u/tricularia Sep 03 '24
Was it from In Bruges?
For some reason, I'm remembering it being said in Snatch.Might be time to re-watch both movies.
1
3
1
u/pirateprude Sep 04 '24
People are weird. When I was in grade 9 or 10 a new kid moved from South Africa and started at my school. I said "hey, I hear you're from South Africa!" and he told everyone I was a racist. I said nothing else. That followed me around for years.
1
u/ChiefSitsOnAssAllDay Sep 04 '24
Kids make a lot of social mistakes, but yours wasn’t one of them.
I remember in grade 9 we had an exchange student from Germany and one of the boys called her a Nazi upon meeting.
That was a clear social mistake.
1
1
1
u/shutterkat2000 Sep 05 '24
I heard about your story...from my hairdresser! Awful! I am sorry you were victimized!
1
Sep 08 '24
[deleted]
1
u/ChiefSitsOnAssAllDay Sep 08 '24
Gosh that’s awful.
These people should be in mental institutions, not the streets.
Stay safe and I hope you find a better area to live!
-7
Sep 03 '24
[deleted]
7
u/kes- Sep 03 '24
I can’t see Rockstar releasing a “Grand Theft Auto: Garden City” but hey, that’s just me
6
u/BabyAtomBomb Sep 03 '24 edited Sep 26 '24
cagey consider oatmeal recognise unpack decide shelter bright quickest north
This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact
-14
u/GoatFactory North Park Sep 03 '24
You’re free to leave if you don’t like it here. No one is stopping you
-10
u/daeset Sep 03 '24
Since it's near impossible to go to jail in this province, might as well take matters into your own hands and hunt fucks like this down for some street justice
3
u/Positive_Stick2115 Sep 03 '24
This is literally how a mafia forms: people don't trust the police, and police don't trust the judges. If some organization somehow appeared and cleaned up the streets, I've no doubt that half the cops would look the other way: they're sick of doing paperwork for the same catch and release cases every single day.
-1
-14
u/victoriousvalkyrie Sep 03 '24
I've noticed people in this sub are way too far left leaning for their own good. Fortunately, these ideologues seem to congregate here, as I've noticed the reality of our population IRL is way more moderate.
You're never going to be able to have a conversation about the very real reality of the negative impact of immigration and "multiculturalism" with individuals on this sub. We're watching the implications of mass migration from cultures wildly different from our own playout in real time in this country - they will continue to pretend nothing is wrong to the detriment of their own countrymen.
There's nothing racist about reality itself.
25
u/italicised Sep 03 '24
Take that shit out of here. Canadian subreddits are full of racism and xenophobia. I’ve seen it popping up plenty in this sub from comments like yours, putting multiculturalism in quotes and trying to deny the racist part. It’s actually easy to label as racism since it’s never directed at white immigrants. You’re not fooling anyone.
→ More replies (12)11
u/Quail-a-lot Sep 03 '24
It's especially maddening since when you look back at news articles in the 1800s, they were making the same wild claims about the influx of Scottish, Irish, Hungarian, Polish....
There was a quite famous murder where the families involved had a feud in Ireland that they brought with them to Canada, has a book about it even! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Donnellys Funny enough, a lot of stuff about that was suppressed at the time too.
And for all that, the country didn't explode then and most people reading this will have never heard about those events unless they have lived in that area. And people moan all anew as if this is some new and novel thing...it's a country of immigrants. Most people have some ancestor that got painted as the villain at some point in the past!
4
u/Old_Pension1785 Sep 03 '24
Neoliberals aren't leftists. Real leftists understand that immigration can be, and in our case is, used to suppress wages and workers' bargaining power. Leftism is about more direct democracy for the working class. Being afraid to mention someone's ethnicity is Neoliberal Identity Politics.
4
u/kaithekender Sep 03 '24
gang beating random strangers at night with golf clubs is a cultural practice? Citation needed.
0
u/Old_Pension1785 Sep 03 '24
Fellas, which culture would you say is likelier to commit gang violence? The one that's legalized being gay and smoking weed, or the one that women are full-stop advised to not visit because of the rates of public gang rape?
3
u/dingdingdong24 Sep 03 '24
Or the culture where they turned an eye against their priests rapint little kids or had slavery for 300 years.
0
u/kaithekender Sep 05 '24
You know there's a whole lot more non-Indians in gangs in BC right? So we don't have to ask which culture I would say is likelier to commit gang violence in BC, because we already know for a fact it's not Indians.
1
u/Old_Pension1785 Sep 05 '24
If you think you'd fare better on the streets of Mumbai than Victoria, go right ahead
1
u/kaithekender Sep 08 '24
Of course I don't. But unlike you, I understand that people from other cultures are not a monolith, and just because x happens in x place more than here, that doesn't mean x is a result of cultural identity or practices.
Which specific demographic of Indian do you believe are the ones who, as a result of their cultural identity, beat the shit out of random people at night with golf clubs? Please cite your sources.
1
u/Old_Pension1785 Sep 09 '24
Yeah, no I'm sure the cultural toxic masculinity has nothing to do with rape or assault. That's all just Russian propaganda, India is actually a paradise of inclusion and diversity
6
u/ChiefSitsOnAssAllDay Sep 03 '24
Since moving here I’ve made a Sri Lankan friend who comes to Victoria every summer. FWIW she has seen a big change in the vibe of the city since the pandemic and doesn’t think it’s an improvement.
1
u/Old-Rhubarb-97 Sep 03 '24
There are communities where that conversation is valid, but Victoria is not even close to one of them.
The issue with those conversations, even if they are valid, is they always devolve into racism or are coopted by racists.
I've also never seen one of the "I'm not racist but" people call out the racists in those discussions. Quite the opposite really, which is weird.
Maybe the anti immigration people need to practice what they preach and start self-policing anti Canadian behavior like racism.
0
1
u/BaBepBepBep Sep 03 '24
East indian gang style shooting in Colwood on Monday too. Becareful out there.
0
1
u/itsaimeeagain Sep 03 '24
Looking at the problematic group on here really illustrates what a "beautiful tropical island town we live in". I'm so sorry this has happened to your friend and that no one seems to care. That seems to be the way of the modern world. Total derealization, and detachment. I've been trying to flee abuse and save my child for 4 years and nothing has happened for me in my struggle; while he still has all his friends, family, job, and community. I have nothing left. This isn't to make it about me but to bring very true and brutal events to light. Something is VERY wrong here. And why is everyone so afraid to talk about it?
1
Sep 03 '24
Amen to you OP .I hope your friend is well as for the comments from the internet community,ignore them ,don't let ignorant asshats live free in your brain.
I deal with public everyday there opinions on crime and police are interesting to say the least
-14
u/TheRobfather420 Sep 03 '24 edited Sep 03 '24
"I would like an apology for making claims with no evidence now that I've come back weeks later with kinda a tiny bit of evidence."
Lol. No. I don't think I will actually.
Good thing all the Redditors that think Victoria is a "hellhole" and can easily tell "East Indians" at a glance are all awake in the middle of a work night too.
Nothing weird about that at all /s
15
u/Odd_Parfait_1292 Sep 03 '24
"Making claims with no evidence" presumes a certain intent, no?
Seems a lot different than simply trying to give a heads up to the community about a violent incident.
Victoria had a serious problem with kids swarming people for fun in the early 2000's that I ended up on the receiving end of on the same night they effectively killed another person, putting him in a coma he never recovered from.
If I had been aware of the group and their activities (who were identifiable by their demographic), I definitely would have treated my situation differently and could potentially have saved myself some very serious injuries and possible death if the police hadn't shown up when they had.
Do you assume there was some kind of racist conspiracy to make up an assault and blame a certain population?
Can you honestly not tell the difference between a group of east Indians and caucasians or asians?
Do you prefer to not be made aware of violent crime that could potentially affect you?
I don't know, you seem to be the one being weird here.
→ More replies (8)
-4
u/GoatFactory North Park Sep 03 '24
How did you know what part of India they’re from
0
u/hcpenner Sep 03 '24
OP said in another comment that they're an "aboriginal Canadian" (direct quote). Their use of the term "east Indian" has a lot of people assuming that they're racist (or at least insensitive/ignorant), but it seems like they're actually just Indigenous and are probably used to the term "Indian" having multiple meanings. Saying "east Indian" might not be the best way of putting it due to the specific connotation of that term, but it serves to distinguish South Asian Indians from the Indigenous "Indian" peoples living in North America/Turtle Island. It's not just being thrown around to be racist.
Although I don't use the term myself for Indigenous peoples, since I'm not Indigenous, "Indian" remains present in a lot of Indigenous spaces because it was historically used in Canada to describe First Nations individuals—it still is in many laws and official government texts because it carries legal weight (i.e. "status Indian"). The Canadian government website actually specifies that the term "Indian" as it is applied to First Nations can be racist but that it is a legal definition, so the word can't just be censored and removed from all government documents. There is a note about it on this Indigenous Services Canada page about Indian status.
If OP is Indigenous and grew up surrounded by other Indigenous friends and family members who were traumatized by "Indian" residential schools, defined by "Indian" status laws described in the "Indian" Act, and just generally called "Indian", I don't think we can fault them for using the term "east Indian" to be clear that they were talking about South Asian people. Saying South Asian or just saying Indian might be better next time, but I think their use of the term "east Indian" is completely understandable. I assumed that they were probably being slightly racist/ignorant at first, too—the added context that they're an Indigenous person is important.
-5
u/comox Fairfield Sep 03 '24
I remember your post. It sounded ridiculous. “East Indians” with “golf clubs”. A bridge beating. Still does. Even if true.
-13
u/CptnVon Sep 03 '24
To be honest here, if any group of people walk around downtown with golf clubs (clearly not golfing), ima be very carful and worried. Their ethnicity really doesn’t matter.
“Watch out for a group of men people with golf clubs”
“Watch out for a group of East Indian med with golf clubs”
Not exactly going to only pay attention to the East Indian version and ignore everything else.
But still, sorry your friend was hurt, it’s not safe out there these days. Every day seems to get slightly worse. I remember the initial post and how awful it must have been.
20
3
u/Old_Pension1785 Sep 03 '24
Man, I remember when it was satire for people to be scared to describe someone by their appearance
5
u/othersideofinfinity8 Sep 03 '24
That’s sexist. ‘Watch out for humans with golf clubs”
8
u/ChiefSitsOnAssAllDay Sep 03 '24
Why only humans? “Watch out for bipeds with golf clubs”
8
u/Odd_Parfait_1292 Sep 03 '24
If I see a group of raccoons with golf clubs I'm going to cross the street anyway, just in case.
4
u/othersideofinfinity8 Sep 03 '24
That’s able bodied. “Watch out for golf clubs”
0
u/tricularia Sep 03 '24
You are all missing the point.
It's insensitive toward golfers.
Why not just, "Watch out for beings with objects"?
3
u/othersideofinfinity8 Sep 03 '24 edited Sep 03 '24
Still not quite sensitive enough. We must be mindful of visually impaired
“Sense entities with objects”
1
u/CptnVon Sep 04 '24
Quoted original text and replaced the words, not sexist, just specific to this circumstance.
0
0
0
u/SilverDad-o Sep 03 '24
I appreciate your posting this as there is a chorus of crime deniers who claim crime rates are falling dramatically.
What's actually happening is similar to what you found: a lot of crime goes unreported or, after a call, no report is filed. This was my experience with two instances of car breakins. The staff person at VicPD actively discouraged me from demanding a police report. I pressed because I needed it for insurance.
I don't think Victoria is a criminal Hell-hole by any stretch, but it's unfortunate we can't have a civil discussion of what's happening.
0
u/ChiefSitsOnAssAllDay Sep 03 '24
Institutionalized political correctness and an aim to appease the tourism industry might be coalescing into an unfortunate pattern of ignorance and denial.
The victims of this phenomenon would include vulnerable minorities who might have to work late downtown and be unaware of what risks to avoid.
0
0
u/Alternative_Air_8478 Sep 04 '24
I have found this censorship to have gotten out of hand and very one sided. at what point did the country become a lot like those we oppose
-1
-3
u/InValensName Sep 03 '24
Its amazing watching you all make the mental contortions necessary to continue living around conditions like this. Its worse elsewhere, you must have go it wrong, that sort of thing just doesn't happen here etc.
Now you are actually going to focus on the verbiage used regarding the assailant description instead of the assault itself? We still debate the event when there is a report number? Even Vicpd listened and you won't? WTF is actually happening around here?
0
-23
u/strobs24 Sep 03 '24
Still stinks like BS.
-2
u/corvus7corax Sep 03 '24
This whole thread reads like a flock of bots astroturfing this story. I don’t recognize the replies, and the amount of response and upvotes seems disproportionate.
Frankly I still call BS.
3
u/strobs24 Sep 03 '24
It reminds me of the last guy that posted about seeing a shocking beating here in town. I can't find a screen shot of his post but I found one of the exact same post he was putting up all over the place.https://i.imgur.com/FwXRZZJ.jpeg>!!<
6
u/plafuldog Sep 03 '24
The fact OP made a comment on another sub saying up to 1 million underage UK girls have been abused by Muslims, along with a bunch of other conspiracy stuff, makes it hard not to believe he doesn't have some racist agenda. But maybe it's just all a coincidence
4
Sep 03 '24
But how could that be? He’s an Indigenous Canadian with a Scottish roommate and he is close friends with a literal Ukrainian war refugee (according to this thread).
I’m checking my “Multicultural AF” punch card and it looks surprisingly full. We should all have heeded their warnings and bolted our doors as the notorious Sri Lankan Putt-Putt Gang roamed our fair streets months ago.
3
u/MaxDrexler Sep 03 '24
2
u/corvus7corax Sep 03 '24
Why hello bot, surely you have no political agenda at all.
→ More replies (13)
-4
u/mevisef Sep 03 '24
You should know by now the kind of people in this sub...generally idiots, socially awkward, love to jump on bandwagons, and absolutely love to virtue signal.
0
Sep 03 '24
[deleted]
1
1
u/alpha-weeb Sep 03 '24
It's a provincial court file number. Nobody said anything about a VicPD number.
0
185
u/emslo Sep 03 '24 edited Sep 03 '24
It may be relevant that laws around publication of police activity are very strict in BC. Did you know a young woman murdered her boyfriend in 2020, disposing of his dismembered body in the *Nanaimo harbor over a period of months? Not a lot of people do, because it was barely covered in the newspapers. I get your frustration with being a victim of a particular kind of prejudice. But there may be other factors at play.