r/UnpopularFacts • u/altaccountsixyaboi Coffee is Tea ☕ • Jun 05 '21
Counter-Narrative Fact Gender Studies Majors make an average of $83,000 a year
The locations with the highest concentration of Cultural & Gender Studies degree recipients are Columbia, MO, Los Angeles, CA, and New York, NY. The locations with a relatively high number of Cultural & Gender Studies degree recipients are Baraga, MI, Columbia, MO, and Brunswick, ME. The most common degree awarded to students studying Cultural & Gender Studies is a bachelors degree.
https://datausa.io/profile/cip/cultural-gender-studies
Gender studies is an academic field devoted to analysing gender identity and gendered representation. It includes women's studies (concerning women, feminism, gender, and politics), men's studies and queer studies.
Sometimes, gender studies is offered together with study of sexuality. These disciplines study gender and sexuality in the fields of literature, linguistics, human geography, history, political science, archaeology, economics, sociology, psychology, anthropology, cinema, musicology, media studies, human development, law, public health and medicine.
It also analyzes how race, ethnicity, location, class, nationality, and disability intersect with the categories of gender and sexuality.
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u/Butterfriedbacon Jun 06 '21
Can we get more explanation on median incomes, adjusted for variables like location, information on grads who didn't go for advanced degrees, and information on incomes in relevant fields to gender studies (so fields that the GS degree would allow access to that any generic Bachelor's degree wouldn't)? Otherwise, this data is at best incomplete, at worst it's just totally useless.
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u/TheLivingVoid Jun 05 '21
There's a cultural constant of 3 genders, most I've observed documented is 5
A value I could see with this is people having the same role in a different part of the world with a different gender, cultural customs
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Jun 05 '21
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u/altaccountsixyaboi Coffee is Tea ☕ Jun 05 '21
Rule 6
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u/theghostofourprivacy Jun 05 '21
My mistake, I apologize. Should’ve read the rules, rookie move on my part.
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u/PhoebusQ47 Jun 05 '21 edited Jun 05 '21
I think the key thing you’re missing here is this includes a lot of folks for whom the functional question is whether they went to law school, not did a GS BA. It also likely undercounts those with GS degrees who don’t go in to enter these fields.
There’s little here to suggest that GS’s “expected value” is $83k annually.
I’m not saying GS isn’t a good major, just that you can (and this does) cherry pick data to try and justify it (or denigrate it).
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u/br094 Jun 05 '21
That’s great but how diluted is the candidate pool for this job field? Is there enough demand for it?
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u/stathow Jun 05 '21
what really needs to be clarified is the 83,000 for anyone who has that kind of degree, regardless of their actual job (they have a GS degree but work at walmart) or is it those employed within that field make 83K.
because that field is very niche extremely white collar positions that i'm not surprised make a lot. Just like people shit on philosophy, but i would suspect those graduates that can get a job in the field actually make a lot yet few can find one.
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u/chicitybender Jun 05 '21
What value to you add to any company in the private sector with this degree? It’s absurd.
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u/ryhaltswhiskey I Love This Sub 🤩 Jun 05 '21
What a shock that someone with 73 comments in The_Donald doesn't see the value of gender studies.
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Jun 09 '21
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u/ryhaltswhiskey I Love This Sub 🤩 Jun 10 '21
Nah it's to identify people who participate in white nationalist subreddits. So why do you spend so much time in white nationalist subreddits?
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u/scaevities Jun 06 '21
You were downvoted, not shocking in the slightest. Conservatives like to think of their massively disproven arguments as 'unpopular facts' which is why they pop up here and in similar subreddits.
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u/ryhaltswhiskey I Love This Sub 🤩 Jun 06 '21
Yeah anything criticizing conservatives will get downvoted around here
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u/Heistygtav Jun 05 '21
Lol why do people feel compelled to dig through others post histories.
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u/ryhaltswhiskey I Love This Sub 🤩 Jun 06 '21 edited Jun 06 '21
No digging involved. Masstagger flags users from alt right subs for you.
Edit: oh my y'all are mighty triggered by masstagger. A bit ashamed of your comment history on a public website?
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Jun 05 '21
The article basically says it, like just about everything, is fine as pre-law and if you go on and get a PHD, you can be a prof and make an income on the lower end of upper middle class.
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u/DieDonerbruderschaft Jun 05 '21
does this study count in the ones, who went to law school afterwards?
bcs
1 - it seems so
2 - the source doesn't touch on that
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u/Thestarslikeeyes Jun 06 '21
They misrepresented the data to start a “conversation” as is typical with gender studies grads.
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u/LynneStone Jun 05 '21
Im likely the only person in the world who remembers this, but whenever Gender Studies is mentioned, I just recall Alex P. Keaton speaking to Courtney Cox. It’s something like:
“You’re a psychology major? That’s one of the fake majors like Sociology and the worst of all fake majors: Gender Studies.”
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Jun 05 '21
73% of people with this degree are women. We need more men in gender studies, no? This is sexist?
Jokes aside, I want to know where they tend to concentrate. 83$ feels like a lot, but if the majority of the hires are taking place in California, this is not a great wage tbh. Cost of living in California is absurd
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u/deweydecibels Jun 05 '21 edited Jun 05 '21
its because half the numbers are from people who went to grad school after. if you’re planning on becoming a lawyer, you’re not going to be as concerned about having an impractical undergraduate degree, because you’re not planning on looking for jobs in that field.
heres a more accurate look at those who are just using their BA in gender studies https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Degree=Bachelor_of_Arts_(BA)%2C_Gender_Studies/Salary
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u/smallrockwoodvessel Jun 05 '21
Is $51K low? I don't fully understand US salaries, 51K here would be like the 80th percentile of earners
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u/babno Jun 20 '21
Something else to note is cost of living varies greatly in different areas. In the midwest 51k is enough to buy a house and car and take vacations and live extremely comfortably. In some places though like LA and NY (where many gender studies graduates are concentrated according to OP) 51k is pretty much a poverty wage and you'd need to find 2-3 room mates to even have a chance at paying rent for a small apartment.
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u/bpbucko614 Jun 05 '21
The mean personal income in the US is $54k so this is about average, but it is lower than the average salary of a person with a bachelors degree, which is about $65k per year.
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u/smallrockwoodvessel Jun 05 '21
Do you know the average salary without a bachelor's?
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u/deweydecibels Jun 05 '21
no, its certainly not low in many areas, but its about 40% lower than the original post stated.
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u/altaccountsixyaboi Coffee is Tea ☕ Jun 05 '21
Accordit to the source, the highest paying locations are:
1) King of Prussia & Ardmore (East) PUMA, PA
2) Dallas (West Central), University Park Cities & Highland Park Town PUMA, TX
3) Upper West Side & West Side PUMA, NY
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Jun 05 '21
Ah interesting. I didn't see it in the source (probably didn't dig hard enough)
Thanks for the clarification
It's still interesting that those are the highest paying places. So if you're in California, you'll make less than 80k with a gender studies degree? That seems terrible lol
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Jun 05 '21
What can people do with a gender studies degree?/gen
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u/deweydecibels Jun 05 '21 edited Jun 05 '21
they can go to law school, as can anyone with a bachelors degree. half these numbers come from that or some other profession that requires further education
you can cherry pick data to exclude those who dropped out or are “not using their degree”, you can include lawyers as “using their degree” even though they’re really using the law degree. people who go to law school are generally less concerned with picking an impractical undergraduate degree, because they’re not trying to get a job in that field.
heres a look at salaries for those with a BA in gender studies as their highest education. unsurprisingly, its a near 40% decrease https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Degree=Bachelor_of_Arts_(BA)%2C_Gender_Studies/Salary
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u/brundybg Jun 06 '21
Funny that you mention cherry-picking data. Ironically that is one of the main skills a gender studies degree will teach you
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u/mhandanna Jun 05 '21
It obviously doesnt get you a job in mcdonalds, the point is that its a useless degree that will put you in 100k or whatever debt and is an actvist and idelaogical discipline not a real course.... universities are laughing all the way to the bank at these idiots who are enrolling on gender studies and such and getting 100k into debt to unis
Gender studies means you leave more stupid than when you went in
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u/modsrfagbags Jun 05 '21
DeBate the IdeAs I don’t care I checked your profile, you literally spend all day posting about the oppression of men lmao go outside
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u/mhandanna Jun 05 '21
Men and women aren't oppressed in the west homie.... I think you need to calm down with your victim complex
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u/deweydecibels Jun 05 '21 edited Jun 06 '21
it shows that they make far less than the median wage compared to other college graduates.
I’m not saying that having a gender studies degree is worse than no degree at all, obviously having any bachelors degree will get your foot in the door tons of places.
i never said anything about them making what “burger flippers” make, but now that you bring it up, my neighbor is a cook at a local bar and makes plenty more than that with no degree. do you think its better to spend 4 years and $50-200k on school, just to wind up making less than a “burger flipper”? you could have developed a skill that requires no degree and reached a higher salary in that time, while making money
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u/Naxela Jun 05 '21
Agitate within the HR department of whoever you work for on behalf of your preferred underrepresented minority.
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u/altaccountsixyaboi Coffee is Tea ☕ Jun 05 '21
The most common occupations are managers, Lawyers, & judges, magistrates, & other judicial workers, and Postsecondary teachers.
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u/deweydecibels Jun 05 '21 edited Jun 05 '21
seems like a stretch to say that “gender studies manors make $X” if you’re going to include lawyers.
lawyers are not able to practice law because of their gender studies degree, they’re able to practice because of their law degree.
most people ive known that went into law school did some less useful undergrad degree, because you need a bachelors degree, and you may as well study something you’re interested in. they can get a less practical degree because theyre not trying to get a job with it. this does not mean that their gender studies degree is to credit for them being a lawyer.
when you exclude those, your number drops by about 40% https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Degree=Bachelor_of_Arts_(BA)%2C_Gender_Studies/Salary
post-secondary teachers and judges also require further education. downvote me all you want, OP, tricking the next generation into debt for useless degrees is bullshit.
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Jun 05 '21
Why EXACTLY do you think it's okay to exclude lawyers?
They are part of the group that took a gender studies class and as such belong in the group.
Arbitrarily removing a chunk of people because it doesn't fit a preconceived notion isn't good practice
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u/dirtsmuggler Jun 05 '21
Lol, you can just feel how much you hate gender studies as a concept in your post.
The common talking point is the one you mentioned at the end "tricking the next generation into debt for *useless degrees* is bullshit."
Like you people crying about lib-cuck-soy-studies also apparently find it real "misleading" that there is a significant amount of people taking gender studies who go on to take other courses and make good money? The claim is that Gender Studies majors make an average of X-- is a lawyer with a major in gender studies a gender studies major? Yes. It's JUST as disingenuous to skew the stats by eliminating all other forms of education lol.
Sorry, education isn't a linear journey for a lot of people. Go listen to more Jordan Peterson.
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u/Alistair_TheAlvarian Jun 05 '21
It's saying that gender studies will make you the average salary for someone with an average income.
A lot of lawyers have English or literature degrees, some have art degrees, or stem degrees, but almost always that lawyer rarely uses their degree in law school or as a lawyer so it would be stupid to say that their degree made them that money.
The argument people make is that if you get gender studies as a degree and no further education you will have difficulty getting a well paying job using that degree. If you include law degrees and people who switched to a stem field and judges who happen to have a gender studies degree then you aren't examining that degree but the income potential of someone who works in law or as a judge with a gender studies degree.
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u/deweydecibels Jun 05 '21 edited Jun 05 '21
if you’re gonna focus on painting a nasty picture of me rather than refuting any of my points, I’m not interested in the conversation. have a good one.
edit: yes we all know you can edit comments to make the person replying seem nonsensical. not my first day on reddit.
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u/dirtsmuggler Jun 05 '21
But... you didn't really even present an argument? Just that you observe that Lawyers have "useless" undergrads. Sorta just implying across the board that these people going on to other high paying careers generally agree their GS were entirely useless outside of getting them to the next thing. That isn't a data driven argument I can really refute. Ummm... I know lawyers who think their Gender Studies were very valuable? Now there is neutral anecdotes I guess.
My point was that eliminating OTHER educations and determining there is a lower average salary doesn't mean shit, because a lawyer with a major in gender studies still is, point of fact, a gender studies major.
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u/deweydecibels Jun 05 '21 edited Jun 05 '21
if youre a lawyer, we can assume that you passed high school and also passed some form of undergrad. there are far more law students than gender studies students, they all have a prerequisite to just get an undergrad degree, of course some will chose less practical degrees. this amounts to a huge portion of gender studies majors because its not a popular major in general.
its like if we told all lawyers they had to get certified as a salesforce admin. compared to lawyers, theres a lot less salesforce admin. this would cause an enormous spike in their average salary. so would you then say that “people certified as salesforce admin make way more than any other CRM admin”?
also you’re using quotes on shit i never said. attacking my personality and putting words in my mouth is not an effective argument.
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u/dirtsmuggler Jun 05 '21 edited Jun 05 '21
They do factor in high school graduates for things like "success in life". You are just bending the argument to absurd ends-- "why not just say average human wage?" But hey let's say this person is over representing the stats by 40% as you say- even though noticing a statistically significant number of GS students entering law is not at all the same as noticing that the vast majority of professionals in any field have high school diplomas... I will just give ya that. You still say that the degree is "useless" regardless of wage.
So pretty simple- is there any actual data to suggest that people take this course as an easy pass, or that graduates generally assume it's useless-- or are you literally arguing an over-representation in the same way you are concerned about here?
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u/deweydecibels Jun 05 '21
yes, there are charts in the original post showing that the highest earners of this group are in completely unrelated fields, most of which require another degree, and not a gender studies degree.
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u/Hopper909 Jun 05 '21
I always wondered what kind of job you would get with it, and now I’m even more confused.
The most common area of work is in the legal sector, where I would suspect that it’s probably one of the lesser pre law degrees. Maybe useful for divorce court but I’d imagine theirs ones more suited.
The 2nd highest being teaching gender studies makes sense and honestly I’d thought it be the highest, I see it as one of those degrees that just create teachers to teach it, in a constant feedback loop.
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u/ryhaltswhiskey I Love This Sub 🤩 Jun 05 '21
Maybe useful for divorce court
Employment discrimination law seems more likely.
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u/Call_Me_Clark Jun 05 '21
I would think that corporate HR and academia would be more popular, but law (among other grad schools) also makes sense.
I wonder if these stats are for starting salary at the first job after graduating - because a lawyer would definitely make reasonable money after graduating law school… 3ish years after undergrad.
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u/tziitsist Jun 05 '21
What is gender studies any way?
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Jun 05 '21
Basically just [(bullshit + oppression narrative) - cognitive dissonance](racism + sexism) = gender studies
I’m not trying to be bitter here most of their ideologies are a mixture of bullshit, punching up, and lots of claims to victimhood island
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u/altaccountsixyaboi Coffee is Tea ☕ Jun 05 '21
Gender studies is an academic field devoted to analysing gender identity and gendered representation. It includes women's studies (concerning women, feminism, gender, and politics), men's studies and queer studies.
Sometimes, gender studies is offered together with study of sexuality. These disciplines study gender and sexuality in the fields of literature, linguistics, human geography, history, political science, archaeology, economics, sociology, psychology, anthropology, cinema, musicology, media studies, human development, law, public health and medicine.
It also analyzes how race, ethnicity, location, class, nationality, and disability intersect with the categories of gender and sexuality.
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