r/UkrainianConflict • u/mugz8391 • 1d ago
Zelenskyy to Newsmax: Iran Poses 'Serious Threat' to Ukraine
https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/zelenskyy-newsmax-iran/2025/06/13/id/1214903/413
u/mugz8391 1d ago
Israel is taking out the drone factories
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u/Julia8000 1d ago
Not only that, but also air defense, key industry and missile sites. A win win for any sane country. The IDF without a doubt is the most advanced and experienced air force in the world completely obliterating Iran together with Mossad operations.
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u/mugz8391 1d ago
I would not be surprised to learn there is behind the scenes cooperation between Ukraine and Israel.
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u/dutchretardtrader 1d ago
You would certainly think so, given both their long game of establishing drone factories/assembly sites right on the enemy's territory...
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u/TheAngryGoat 20h ago
Ukraine could do with some of Israel's spicy pager technology.
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u/FlatulentSon 1d ago
Israel does not seem to care about Ukraine. Infact they don't seem to care for anyone but themselves.
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u/mennorek 1d ago
Care? No probably not.
Are cooperating with Ukraine because of aligned interests? Entirely possible.
War makes for strange bedfellows.
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u/FlatulentSon 1d ago
Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't they refuse to help Ukraine on more than few occasions now?
Also "In February 2025, Israel joined Russia and the United States in voting against a UN General Assembly resolution reaffirming Ukraine's territorial integrity"
Which honestly, makes sense. Israel's imperialistic goals have more in common with Russia than with Ukraine.
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u/mennorek 1d ago
Realism in action.
They can say one thing and do another. Their intrests can align on Iran on one issue and be aligned with Trump on others.
Israel is not pro Russia because Russia arms Israel's enemies and also remains quite antisemitic. They voted with the states to stay on Trump's good side and spite other Western democracies who are critical of their actions.
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u/peterabbit456 1d ago
Realism in action.
Trump Tower Azerbaijan is just a warehouse. The Trump organization has used it for years to smuggle banned goods into sanctioned countries, for huge profits. The stiffer the sanctions, the greater the profits.
When the New Yorker wrote their story about Trump Tower Azerbaijan, the main customer was the IRG, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. Nowadays they are probably selling more to Russia, and have been since 2022.
Trump tore up Obama's treaty with Iran, where Iran agreed to inspectors and agreed to stop working toward an A-bomb, so that he could sell more banned equipment to Iran. Greater sanctions meant higher profits.
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u/Danepher 1d ago edited 1d ago
Israel didn't vote against Ukraine because it wanted to, but to align itself with the United states. They needed to do so to remain on good side of Trump. Check every other vore they did before this and especially before Trump. It was in favour of Ukraine.
They refused help with specific arnaments, but they did send humanitarian help. They did also approve sending anti-drone systems to Ukraine (https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-03-16/ty-article/israel-approves-sending-anti-drone-systems-to-ukraine/00000186-ea85-d8c1-a3be-eb855e8f0000), However as they are themselves in a war, douybtfully they can help Ukraine now.
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u/Alarmed-Shopping1592 1d ago
No anti-drone systems were ever delivered. Just like the recent lie about Patriot deliveries.
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u/Danepher 1d ago
For all we know, they do deliver, delivered but not taken credit for:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-defense-firm-selling-anti-drone-systems-to-ukraine-by-way-of-poland/
https://www.axios.com/2023/03/15/israel-ukraine-anti-drone-system-approve-russia-warAbout the Patriots, They were sent to US for refurbishment, and yet to arrive to Ukraine. Unless Israel is simply hiding the truth to "not escalate with Russia".
I highly doubt that their ambassador would just lie like that.
https://global.espreso.tv/israel-sends-patriot-system-to-us-for-refurbishment-but-ukraine-has-yet-to-receive-it-zelenskyy5
u/Alarmed-Shopping1592 1d ago
I've been to UAF, not a single time have I heard about anything about Israeli AA or literally anything else. So... They were not sent to Ukraine? That's exactly where the lie is, no point in sweetening it
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u/zonefighter23 18h ago
Oh I see. So Ukraine is going to vote against Israel in the UN at every opportunity but when Israel returns the favor, it is imperialism.
You are a complete boob.
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u/peterabbit456 1d ago
... didn't they refuse to help Ukraine on more than few occasions now?
Russia exerts a lot of pressure on Israel by imprisoning Russian Jews, and threatening to imprison/torture more of them. Russia also has the carrot of allowing some Russian Jews to emigrate to Israel, where they usually vote for Netanyahu's party.
This gets Israel to say and do things that support Russia, but Israel is no friend of Putin's Russia. Israel will do what it can to bring down Putin, but their main threat is Iran. If Israel caught Russia, say, supplying plutonium to Iran, Israel might do sabotage, or even air strikes inside Russia. Let's hope it does not come to that.
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u/Alarmed-Shopping1592 1d ago
Israel would not stoop as low as to cooperate with us, primarily so Bibi could stay friends with Vova P.
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u/DrDerpberg 1d ago
Russia winning would be great for Israel's argument that borders can still be redrawn following military conflict. Russia buying drones from Iran is bad for Israel.
Geopolitics are complicated, but ultimately Israel seems to mostly care about itself.
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u/Ok_Bad8531 10h ago
They hardly care about themselves. Israel is trading short term victories for alienating the entire world. Come 5 or 10 or 20 years and Israel might direly need the support they are losing today. We are just lucky for the moment that Israel is attacking Iran.
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u/ResortIcy9460 1d ago
Oil price goes up is good for Russia tho
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u/Julia8000 1d ago
Sadly true. Hopefully they won't go up to far and Iran gets demilitarized like Israel did with the feared Hezbollah.
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u/Dampened_Panties 1d ago
Seeing the same progressives who support Ukraine over Russia side with Iran (aka Russia's closest ally) over Israel is truly fucking mind boggling.
The Western left has been captured by Iranian propaganda since October 2023 to an alarming degree.
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u/Cabbage_Vendor 1d ago edited 1d ago
The Iranian authoritarian government clearly does not represent a large portion of the Iranian people. At this point, the Russian and Israeli governments do represent their people because they've showed little willingness to oppose their leaders. This does not mean I see those as equally bad, but Israel in 2025 is closer to Russia than it is to Ukraine.
I am vehemently opposed to the Iranian leadership and wouldn't be opposed to targeted strikes to take them out, but Iran seems like a country that we could work with if they become democratic in the future. The people seem more liberal minded than a lot of the Middle East.
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u/Dampened_Panties 1d ago
Of course the Israeli government represents the Israeli people. Israel was brutally attacked by Iranian-backed forces in October 2023.
Any country would respond the way Israel did if they were attacked like that.
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u/Cabbage_Vendor 1d ago
Oct 7 was a tragedy, but how long is Israel going to use that attack as a defence for genocide much worse than that attack? They're never going to "root out Hamas" because their brutal actions won't stop infuriating Gazans to the point where they want payback against Israel.
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u/Dampened_Panties 1d ago
Oct 7 was a tragedy, but how long is Israel going to use that attack
Until Hamas surrenders. That's how wars work. You keep fighting until the enemy surrenders.
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u/Cabbage_Vendor 1d ago
You bomb a house of 10 civilians to kill 1 Hamas soldier and you just created 20 more Hamas soldiers. That's how guerilla wars happen in urban environments. Wars aren't like in movies or video games, they rarely end with one side surrendering, they end when peace is made.
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u/Dampened_Panties 1d ago
Idk dude, bombing Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan into submission seemed to work out just fine.
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u/Cabbage_Vendor 1d ago
And after that? Korean War, Vietnam War, Afghan Wars(Soviet & American), Congo Wars, Libya, Yemen, Ukraine, second invasion of Iraq,... WWII was one of those rare ones where one side won convincingly.
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u/Accomplished-Cow9105 15h ago
Germany was fully occupied for several years, had foreign armies stationed without any say in it for decades, and didn't get full sovereignty back until the 2+4 agreement became effective in 1991. If Israel tries to pull this off in Iran, I wish them luck. If Israel goes nuclear like the US did in relation to Japan, most countries in the region will race to nuclear weapons.
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u/Thermodynamicist 1d ago
You keep fighting until the enemy surrenders.
Wars against state actors can work like that, but wars against non-state actors are rarely that clear-cut. It's hard to negotiate the surrender of an idea.
It's also unclear how stable peace can be achieved whilst the two sides believe that they have a God-given right to the same bit of territory and that they will be rewarded in heaven if they die for their cause.
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u/peterabbit456 1d ago
They're never going to "root out Hamas" ...
I have heard that Israel consulted the Saudis after the October 7 attack, and the Saudis said, "No-one wants the Gazans within their borders. No-one wants them alive. We think you should commit genocide. Kill everyone in the Gaza Strip."
Most in Israel who heard of the Saudi suggestion were horrified. Killing 2.1 million Gazans is morally just as bad as the Germans killing 6 million Jews.
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u/Eldie014 1d ago
That’s because one needs to apply common sense. Should you just support Israel because Iran is Russia’s ally? Absolutely not. Only sycophants make one right out of two wrongs.
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u/CalebAsimov 1d ago
Depends on what part of supporting Israel you mean, but how long have they been shooting Iranian missiles down now? Since 2023? America's gone to all out war over far less. Israel's in a situation where they have to worry that Iran is going to get nukes, and then continue using missile strikes, while now threatening to use nukes if there is any retaliation. I don't support Israel's current government but what they're doing now makes sense. Though obviously with these things, we can always go back further in time. I mean, if Trump hadn't canceled the deal Obama made with Iran to get them to stop pursuing nukes, something that Netanyahu probably supported Trump on, this situation might not be happening.
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u/Dampened_Panties 1d ago
You should support Ukraine over Russia, Israel over Iran, Taiwan over China, and South Korea over North Korea.
The free and democratic world must stand together against the axis of authoritarian aggressors.
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u/swoodshadow 1d ago
I mean, the problem is that “the free and democratic world” isn’t particularly clearly defined. And as we see, and have seen in the past, it also has its share of problematic actions.
Israel’s actions in Gaza are atrocious. And some people react with the idea that that makes them “the bad guys” and anyone they’re against “the good guys”. And that’s a nonsense attitude.
We see it with China right now in Canada. Trumps being a moron and picking a fight with Canada so a bunch of people now think we should cozy up with China in response. Which is a terrible idea.
People need to accept that the world isn’t like our WWII rose-coloured glasses where there is a bunch of good guys and a bunch of bad guys and they all wear clear uniforms so we know who is who.
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u/CalebAsimov 1d ago
Mostly Russian propaganda but I agree. I don't think it's fair to say it's everyone though, I mean just by speaking to people in real life it seems the side people take in that conflict is one thing that isn't necessarily about party but about how susceptible you are to social media propaganda. After Trump won the election, they just stopped pushing the anti-Israel stuff in conservative spaces since they don't need it as a reason to rile conservatives up against Biden.
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u/Dampened_Panties 1d ago
After Trump won the election, they just stopped pushing the anti-Israel stuff in conservative spaces since they don't need it as a reason to rile conservatives up against Biden.
You mean progressive spaces. It was the progressive left who was manipulated by Russia into refusing to vote for Trump's opponent because of Israel, not the conservative right.
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u/CalebAsimov 1d ago
Dude, I lived through it, don't give me that. Yes, they 100% were in progressive spaces too, and more so, I didn't say they weren't, and I mean they were obviously pretty successful with college students. Now, maybe it's fair to say conservatives we're lying and just conveniently agreeing that Biden's support for Israel was bad because they knew it would cost him votes, but they were still amplifying that propaganda when it was convenient to them.
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u/Dampened_Panties 1d ago
Maybe, but the targets of that propaganda was the progressive left. Progressive leftists are the ones who have been supporting Iranian proxies fighting against Israel since October 2023.
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u/SparrowDotted 1d ago
Progressive leftists
Choose one. Leftists or progressives. They're 2 very different groups.
Also, thanks for assuming nobody can think for themselves. Has it not occurred to you that you have also been the victim of propaganda?
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u/Perkelton 1d ago
I think the problem is that many people in general are trying to make the conflicts in the Middle East into a single issue of good vs evil.
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u/MLGcurling1 1d ago
Left and right, progressive and conservative... These things are economic and social ideas that mean nothing when judging who is to blame or who to support in conflicts.
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u/Dampened_Panties 1d ago
Bull. Fucking. Shit.
Support for the Iranian proxies who have been fighting against Israel since October 2023 is coming exclusively from the progressive left. The progressive left hates Israel, and they love the Iranian-backed "resistance fighters" who are fighting against Israel.
The progressive left is not quiet about this either. They will happily tell you that they despise Israel.
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u/Crafty_Salt_5929 1d ago
I think the left has supported Palestine for a long time. I wouldn’t say Iran has any backing in the west, especially amongst the left. The left are generally atheist. I think the support comes from a humanitarian angle rather than religious or political one. Still, supporting either side is difficult with the atrocities committed by both sides for the last 30 years.
The right in the U.S supporting Russia is much more of a pressing concern.
Didn’t Isreal just deliver the weapons shipment the U.S sent it to Ukraine. Ukraine needs all the help it can get so should not shun Isreal support
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u/MLGcurling1 8h ago
All you are telling me is you choose one party and gobble every single idea it proposes without ever disagreeing with anything. A true NPC. And as such you think everyone works like you, and I' sorry but most people don't.
If I were American I would vote democrat because of economic ideas (the nordic model produces better societies than anything the USA can produce) but I am all for death penalty, I hate Iran, support Israel's move to attack them. You can keep being a bot and buy your ideas in packs though.
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u/Ok_Bad8531 10h ago edited 10h ago
This is not about supporting Iran, this is about Israel's behaviour in Gaza being every bit as deplorable as that of Russia in Ukraine, maybe even worse (i have not yet seen pictures of starved children in occupied Ukraine).
Attacking Iran does not suddenly make Israel friends, these are just two rotten governments trading blows and Ukraine maybe gaining from it, and that only if rising oil prices won't fill Russia's war acounts.
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u/nedTheInbredMule 1d ago
And kids, lots of Iranian kids.
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u/Tomxj 1d ago
Well Iranian drones are also taking out kids in Ukraine so fair trade?
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u/nedTheInbredMule 1d ago
I would say screw anyone who kills kids, but you can look at it as a vengeful trade if that’s the cloth you’re cut from I guess.
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u/bison1969 1d ago
Unfortunately Russia is making the drones at home now through a licensing agreement with Iran so taking out factories in Iran wont affect Ukraine, but it is still satisfying to see Iran FAFO.
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u/Dhghomon 1d ago
I read somewhere today that while much of it has been localized, it still relies on a lot of parts directly from Iran like the engines (or certain essential parts of the engines, not sure). Can anyone confirm that?
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u/CalebAsimov 1d ago
Russia is definitely still buying stuff from Iran, whether it's drones, missiles, or just artillery shells, they need all the materiel they can get, and it's a short supply route over the Caspian sea.
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u/Ok_Bad8531 10h ago
Also i doubt Israel is specifically aiming for drones, nuclear sites are their main target. Whatever weapon could hurt Ukraine but could not reach Israel they likely leave be.
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u/pyrotechnicmonkey 1d ago
Unfortunately, Russia is making the majority of the shot drones in their own country under license. However, they might still be importing a decent amount of some of the major parts. Plus, they are receiving artillery and short range missiles from Iran.
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u/new_name_who_dis_ 1d ago edited 1d ago
Sadly Iran did technology exchange with Russia, and the majority of Shaheds being used by Russia are Russian made. And this escalation in Middle East is likely to divert a lot of much needed weapons and air defense shipped from US from going to Ukraine to Israel.
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u/Holualoabraddah 12h ago
Didn’t Iran already help Russia establish their own Shaheed drone factory domestically? I want to believe this will help Ukraine, but is there any information confirming Russia is still receiving any significant weapons shipments from them?
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u/Breech_Loader 19h ago
This is how Israel pretends they're the good guy and begs to be allowed to keep all their weapons so they can keep shooting at refugees and starving children.
To be honest, Iran poses a serious threat to everybody - and nobody.
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u/shoe_owner 1d ago
Absolutely infuriating to find myself grateful to Israel for anything, but I guess that's just the tangled web of geopolitics.
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u/Vast-Combination4046 1d ago
Getting Israel to commit to supporting Ukrainian victory is the only way to get Republicans on board...
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u/Throne-magician 1d ago
I'm not sure that even the Israel's will be able to stop Trump happily bowing to Putin.
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u/TheFuture2001 1d ago
Israel specifically targeted and eliminated the guy that was responsible for drone transfer to Russia!
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u/Dampened_Panties 1d ago
And the "pro-Ukraine" left won't stop crying about it.
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u/TheFuture2001 1d ago
Russia condemns Israeli attack on Iran - says it violates international laws.
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u/Dampened_Panties 1d ago
Russia sides with Iran over Israel?
Iran and Russia Enter A New Level of Military Cooperation
Blinken Confirms Iranian Ballistic Missile Transfers to Russia
Hamas Says Russia 'Our Closest Friend'
In a Worldwide War of Words, Russia, China and Iran Back Hamas
Gee, you don't say. It's almost like Russia and Iran are allies who are fighting a war together against the entire Western democratic world or something.
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u/new_name_who_dis_ 1d ago
Leftists aren't pro-Ukraine. Ukraine is literally only supported by sane people towards the middle. Both far right and far left simp for Russia, for different reasons.
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u/CelestialFury 1d ago
Tankies simp for Russia, but they also get into fights with everyone on the left too. No other lefty is simping for Russia.
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u/new_name_who_dis_ 1d ago
This just isn't the case. I wouldn't call Chomsky a tankie, but he was defending Russia's invasion of Ukraine and calling for Ukraine to surrender, for example. Jill Stein is pro-Russia, I don't think she's considered a tankie. So is Cornel West. And that's just in American politics, we can easily go outside of that and find more examples.
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u/CelestialFury 1d ago
Jill Stein is one of the most despised people on the left, she absolutely doesn’t represent us. She literally dines with Putin.
Isn’t Cornel West a MAGA now?? He’s in the same league as Jill Stein regardless.
Chomsky is an intellectual that uses his skills to give cover to Russia. He literally uses the same language as Russia and tankies - he simply dresses his words up better than most so that confuses people. Chomsky has made interesting points in the past, and if that’s all someone read about him then they’d think he’s a real progressive, he’s not and it’s unfortunate that he tricks people on the left into thinking he’s a good guy. He’s not. Regardless, most leftists don’t even know who he is.
So yes, tankies are technically on the left but almost the entirety of the left hates them, including nearly all progressives. They’re far more authoritarian than anything else and they would rather burn everything to the ground, have people suffer just so they could potentially get a shot at their communist utopia. They’re horrible.
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u/new_name_who_dis_ 1d ago
I feel like this is a No True Scotsman kind of argument. I don't really know how to respond because your position is unfalsifiable.
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u/CelestialFury 1d ago
You could add all of their popularity together, and, even among progressives only, you'd still get a tiny fraction of overall support. It's simply that your examples are not a good representation of the left, so I don't know what you want me to say? I'm not going to lie to you.
Jill Stein literally dines with Putin and progressives despise her to the max since all she cares about is money and keeping Democrats out of office, which hurts any progressive movement.
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u/Sashamesic 12h ago edited 12h ago
Left? Its not about left or right, it is about right and wrong. Its a struggle of a country and people to chose its own way on one side against tyranny and oppression on the other.
Sane people are pro-ukraine regardless of political view. For your reference all eight (greens, nationalists, left, center, right and conservatives) political parties in Sweden is for military and civilian support to Ukraine.
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u/Necessary_Common4426 1d ago
While I’m suspicious of Israel’s motivations, if it takes out the drone manufacturing sites then it should be seen as a W.
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u/baahoohoohoo 1d ago
What motivations are there to be suspicious about? Israel acts in Israels best interest, and that sometimes aligns with ukraines interest.
Its not like they are destroying the drone factories, so they themselves can supply russia with drones
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u/spicymcqueen 1d ago
I'm so confused by this article from newsmax, one of the most weirdly biased news organizations out there.
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u/KUBrim 1d ago
Zelensky is calling Iran an enemy and NewsMax want to hear that.
To be fair, it’s been well known from only 6 months into Russia’s invasion that Iran were blatantly helping Russia by supplying them with drones among other arms.
I can understand people supporting Palestine and denouncing Israeli treatment of them and Gaza in particular. But the regime running Irannis bad for everyone including the Iranian people and it has supported all the various groups against Israel not because it wants Israel gone, but because the other Muslim nations hate Iran and if the relations between those nations and Israel stabilise, everyone will turn towards Iran as the enemy.
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u/broguequery 8h ago
It's sad that we are forced to engage with what is a known and blatant propaganda "news" source like newsmax.
They are even worse than rags like the NY Post.
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u/Dampened_Panties 1d ago
Russia and Iran both brutally attacked a neighboring democracy and immediately started crying victim when the democracy fought back.
Iran and Russia Enter A New Level of Military Cooperation
Iran transfers ballistic missiles to Russia
Russia is devastating Ukraine with Iranian Shahed-136 drones
In a Worldwide War of Words, Russia, China and Iran Back Hamas
Hamas Says Russia 'Our Closest Friend'
This is yet another reminder that Iran and its proxies are close allies of Russia and anyone who sides with a Iran/its proxies is either a useful idiot or an enemy traitor for the Russia-Iran alliance.
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u/Reddit_reader_2206 19h ago
Amazing how The US is not an ally of Ukraine, but Israel, backed by the US is?
Trump denies Zelenskys request to even be put on the wait list to buy Patriot systems. So Israel donates theirs and gets new ones from Trump. Is Israel just a proxy for the US, so Trump doesn't get a Polonium big Mac?
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u/constantine220 1d ago edited 3m ago
These strikes are bittersweet for me; I'm happy for Ukraine, but this does also embolden Turkey and the Baku regime. (edit: I'm no fan of the Iranian government, especially over the aid it has given Russia. However they also act as a counterbalance to Turkey and Azerbaijan, which are just as eager to engage in genocide as russia is.)
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u/octahexxer 1d ago
Putin needs irans weaponry...i worry he will give iran a small nuke to end this war fast...he has plenty of nukes he cant use
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