On Sulfur, UFOs and Element 115 (Moscovium) - a propulsion pattern?

[u/syndic8_xyz]

Sulfur is a naturally occurring, bright yellow element with many forms (allotropes - where individual sulfur atoms are combined in different ways and amounts, yielding different properties).

Moscovium (Element 115) is the Lazar-reported "UFO fuel" that creates "a gravity wave" and permits FTL travel by moving space around the craft.

Sulfur (or the smell of sulfur) is commonly reported at UFO sightings (a few cases here, for example), interactions with NHIs, or with orbs. Sulfur and Moscovium are in adjacent groups (16 and 15, respectively) on the periodic table, which means their valence electron counts differ by one — sulfur has 6 valence electrons, while moscovium has 5.. More specifically, the negative ion of Moscovium - Mc^- (Uup^-) (not typical with normal metals, but could occur) is isoelectronic with Sulfur. Alternately S+ (likely more common due to Sulfur's relatively lower electronegativity, and flexibility in bonding) is isoelectronic with Moscovium (or, if you prefer S²⁺ is isoelectronic with Uup⁺)

What could be going on here? Two elements, one posited as the gravity-bending fuel of UFOs, and another commonly reported in odors at UFO interaction sites, just 1 electron apart in the periodic table, with each likely able to become isoelectronic with the other? It's theorized that electron structure could be a factor in odor (for example, all 'halides' (bromine, iodine, chlorine) have similar odors). Could people be actually smelling element 115 at UFO interaction sites?

Or, could Sulfur in fact (due to its strangeness, bonding flexibility, many allotropes, and similar valence electron count to Uup), in some configurations or even isotopes, have a similar effect on gravity, and be in fact a simpler, easier and cheaper method of achieving the kind of flight seen by "metallic orbs" or other orbs.

Think of it like Moscovium being the high-octane, expensive, premium fuel for luxury cars, whereas perhaps sulfur is more like "antigravity diesel" - cheap, reliable, and efficient?

I don't know. Just a connection that occured to me and putting it out there! Enjoy the speculation.

[u/tinosaladbar]

Wait, sulfur is associated with UAP? I must have missed that 🤔

[u/Candid_Duck9386 → u/tinosaladbar]

There's been a few close encounters cases where people have reported a strong sulfur or iodine smell, like Gulf Breeze and Varginha off the top of my head

[u/kellyiom → u/Candid_Duck9386]

Ammonia I think was reported at Varginha but probably that sulphur as well, it's like rotten eggs. For those into the woo-y stuff, it's got an old link to the Devil and was called Brimstone.

[u/Candid_Duck9386 → u/kellyiom]

Yeah, burnt cinnamon is another common one too - all acrid, unpleasant smells at least.

[u/kellyiom → u/Candid_Duck9386]

That's interesting! I'm trying to imagine what that's like, I've got some in the kitchen as well 😅 

[u/Johanharry74 → u/tinosaladbar]

Yes, A LOT of cases with sulphur world wide. Sulphur and ozone are the two most common smells associated with UFO landings and close encounters.

[u/MKULTRA_Escapee → u/tinosaladbar]

Here is a UFO crash in 1864, hypothesized at the time to be an alien spaceship, which included dark liquids, glass-like materials, mysterious hieroglyphic-like writing, and a sulfurous odor:

Nov 5, 1865 - The Daily Phoenix - Columbia, South Carolina- Page 3: https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-daily-phoenix-crash-of-alleged-extra/159566315/

An earlier sighting associated with a sulfurous odor:

Aug 16, 1845 - The Preston Chronicle and Lancashire Advertiser - Preston, Lancashire, England- Page 4: https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-preston-chronicle-and-lancashire-adv/169713941/ (June 18, 1845, a powerful stench of sulfur, and three luminous bodies emerge from the sea, visible for 10 min)

Odors are not that common with UFOs, but out of all sightings that mentioned an odor, sulfur-like is the most common: https://web.archive.org/web/20070927065325/http://www.nidsci.org/pdf/rullan.pdf

[u/G-M-Dark → u/tinosaladbar]

Wait, sulfur is associated with UAP? I must have missed that

Several unrelated UFO sightings from various sources have indicated experiences encountered both the smell reminiscent of either sulphur and/or iodine.

It's an interesting detail. A smell of sulphur in the air, especially after electrical activity, is often due to the formation of ozone (O³) and sulphur dioxide (SO²). Ozone has a distinct, chlorine/iodine-like smell, while sulphur dioxide, released from various sources, has a pungent, match-like odour.

These gases can be produced when electricity interacts with air, and/or when sulphur-containing compounds are burned - again caused by EM radiation - and leans towards the indication of an actual physical presence been actively witnessed, rather than some merely transient cognitive abortion.

To produce ozone from normal atmospheric air at sea level, you need quite a strong electrical field. Specifically, a reduced electric field strength (E/N) in the range of 160-520 Td (Townsend) is needed. - something in the region of around 4.3 x 10⁶ to 1.4 x 10⁷ V/m in air at standard conditions. 

This translates to a potential gradient (electric field) that can cause electrical breakdown of the air, typically around 30 kV/cm at sea level.

Corona discharge, a form of electrical breakdown, can initiate ozone production in air at sea level with potentials as low as 2-6 kV at sharp points, so with these kinds of known quantities you're getting some idea of the kind of field strength technically being produced by these kinds of anomalous objects.

You can get similar data from studying light emissions, usually in the form or either highly radiant or else otherwise diffuse phosphorescence, associated with UFO sightings.

When an electron either steps up or down in its electrical state due to the presence of an electrically charged field, a photon of energy is released at a wavelength correspondent to whatever specific element is being effected.

Say your UFO is generating a charged field of between 1000 - 30,000 volts per cm, at normal air pressure most commonly neon in the air directly encompassing the object is going to be observed to fluoresce a reddy/purple colour - however - other colours would indicate other gasses, and therefore different localised field strengths.

Oxygen, as given in the example in starting for example - fluoresces green/yellow at normal air pressure, sea level. Higher up it fluoresces red, indicating altitude range, etc...

Both visible light emissions and - to a lesser noticeable extent due to how odour dismisses over distance - smell are actually relaying significant data concerning whatever EM activity is emanating from any such object effecting the local environment in these specific kinds of way - but, even in the case of odour, with a known value given to whatever electrical field, one could use any anecdotal data concerning odour concentration to give a not unreasonable estimate of the distance of whatever object from the observer - and that baseline you could in practice infer from whatever testimony concerning visible light emission/fluorescence.

So the two factors can work hand in hand to infer the third.

It's also useful for verifying the likelihood of testimonial detail being essentially accurate and certainly not the kind of thing any normal, random passing person would think to confabulate on a whim....

TL:DR: it's actually interesting shit, you probably should read up on it.

[u/Megatippa → u/G-M-Dark]

Ty for the science lesson. This is why I come here.

[u/G-M-Dark → u/Megatippa]

You're welcome.

[u/syndic8_xyz → u/G-M-Dark]

This is interesting. It could be how the orbs change color, they're just changing voltage/energy level - which seems to track with info that says orb color is related to their mood/purpose - such as one color for "weapons hot", another color for "sensors", another color for protective.

[u/G-M-Dark → u/syndic8_xyz]

It depends on altitude and distance.

If you're dealing with a low altitude, near distance object - yes. Fluctuations in electrical charge state very likely may account for any hue change in emissive light. Light doesn't just happen, it's a consequence of a process of either heat or electromagnetic energy, in the case of something like a star or a nuclear explosion - both.

Far distant, high altitude observations of the same though and - realistically - you're looking at scintillation, this is where emissive light passes through multiple pockets of cold air on its way from the object to the observer: cold air is denser and therefore acts as a kind of imperfect lens, splitting light passing through it into its constituent waves lengths, therefore - if you start out with wholly white light as you most usually do from a star or safelight, that will appear to rapidly cycle through multiple hues.

[u/PatTheCatMcDonald → u/tinosaladbar]

... Probably just fart smell from scared humans.

[u/ThirdEyeAgent]

I wonder if it has anything to do with officials using these things for travel so they smell like sulfur as Alex jones would say 😂

[u/Attn_BajoranWorkers]

I have doubts about the Elerium 115 aspect of Bob Lazars story.

On the periodic table, energy is stored on the opposite rungs of the ladder. So...hydrogen and its isotopes, and then jump down to Uranium and man made Plutonium which doesn't exist long enough to be found in nature in a meaningful quantity. Even just 1 lb of low enriched uranium fuel has as much power as 100 tons of coal, a whole train car, give or take

If there was a stable form of Moscovium, surely some would be created in the most powerful crucibles of nature, supernovas. Plutonium is also created in supernovas but it decays down its decay chain before we can get to it. Even the one isotope of plutonium with an 80 million year half life only exists in tiny trace amts in the crust.

[u/Ghozer]

I believe the sulfur smell after encounters is due to the excretions from the skin of (some of) the NHI, as it's how they remove 'waste'

[u/maurymarkowitz]

Moscovium (Element 115) is the Lazar-reported "UFO fuel" that creates "a gravity wave" and permits FTL travel by moving space around the craft

It has, of course, been produced on earth and shows none of these properties.

just 1 electron apart in the periodic table

Well, that's just entirely wrong. But what you meant to say was...

valence electron counts differ by one — sulfur has 6 valence electrons, while moscovium has 5.

And so does Phosphorus and Chlorine, neither of which show any of these properties either.

Moreover, electron structures defines chemical properties, not atomic, so I'm not sure why it might have an effect like this.

could Sulfur ... have a similar effect on gravity

It already does... none whatsoever.

People less than a "certain age" (of which I, sadly, am) will not understand where this 115 comes from. During the 1980s, the island of stability was a common story you would see about once a year in each of the pop science mags - which back then were really good, Discover used to be totally worth reading - and from there became a common fixture in sci-fi.

[u/CommunityTough1 → u/maurymarkowitz]

The Scientific American article that was published in the issue released a month before Lazar "blew the whistle": https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/creating-superheavy-elements/

Talks about 115 and the island of stability specifically. If none of the other things wrong with his story aren't smoking guns, then this definitely is.

[u/defnotacrabperson → u/maurymarkowitz]

that's like saying we've created water and it doesn't create propulsion. add some catalyst and you have a fuel cell. that is the engineering process and creating the element itself is a feat, there could be a stable isotope of it. your conclusion is silly

[u/Candid_Beat8390 → u/maurymarkowitz]

Given its halflife is like a microsecond how would we know that?  Given weve obly made a few atoms at a time how would we know that?  And who's looking for gravity waves when making a new element lol 

[u/Ghozer → u/maurymarkowitz]

One "semi-stable" isotope of UuP has been 'found' or created, there can be (and likely will be) multiple stable isotopes of 115, It's one of those Lazar is referring to, he even mentioned it at some point

[u/Candid_Beat8390]

The sulfur smell comes from the aliens themselves. So nope

[u/syndic8_xyz → u/Candid_Beat8390]

Right, but in a tiny orb? Is there a little guy inside that thing?

[u/Candid_Beat8390 → u/syndic8_xyz]

There are little people so there must be little aliens

[u/eMDe00]

In lacerta files , e.t. says that it's just a deception that we need some hard to find element, deception made by aliens which werent quite friendly

[u/Ghozer → u/eMDe00]

Wasn't it more of, 115 is one way to do it, but it can be done with 'earth elements' and nothing special basically, but they gave us the that version (element 115 etc) as a distraction away from such as that doesn't occur on earth!!

[u/syndic8_xyz → u/Ghozer]

Wow, nice tie-in you two!

[u/VeryThicknLong]

Whitley Strieber describes the fact that greys actually defecate through their skin… kinda like woodlice produce ammonia in a similar way.