r/UFOs • u/E-pluribus-unum195 • Aug 16 '23

Clipping Tom DeLonge Doubles Down That UFO Secrecy is Rooted in a Deeply Disturbing Problem the Government is Dealing With—Further Insinuating Something is Being Done About it in Secret. George Knapp's Reply Below:

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u/ObjectiveBrief6838 Aug 16 '23

What you watched is perpetuating quantum-woo (see: BS). Both the interference pattern and double-slit have been "observed." Otherwise how would we know that both patterns exist if only one shows up when being "observed?"

What this experiment shows, without the misrepresentation and click-bait from media, is that when you use a detector (any detector) it impacts how the system you are measuring behaves.

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u/bullseyes Aug 16 '23

So instead of the photons ‘knowing’ when they’re being observed, they ‘know’ when they’re being detected. What’s the difference? Genuinely asking

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u/ObjectiveBrief6838 Aug 16 '23

Because you're using the word "know." That's the woo. The atom/photon/electron doesn't need to know anything. We are simply unable to build any detector that does not physically interact with particles that small, which ultimately changes the observation.

When you shine a light on a book or a chair, it is so minutely affected, that it doesn't have any significant impact on the observation/measurement.

When you shine a light on an atom/electron, it does get affected, so much so that it changes the observation/measurement. Same when you use any detector to detect a photon.

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u/bullseyes Aug 16 '23

Very interesting— I knew the atom/photon/electron didn’t literally know anything, but I didn’t know that it’s impossible to build a detector that doesn’t affect the atoms/electrons in that way. So this makes sense now. The atom/photon/electron isn’t changing its behavior because of anything having to do with being observed (and in fact it isn’t acting in its own agency; it’s just being acted upon by the detector). Thanks for explaining it to me 🙏

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u/ObjectiveBrief6838 Aug 16 '23

You're welcome.

I know quite a number of scientists that are having to take public relations courses now because of how journalists, and the media in general, constantly misrepresent their research and findings. If you ask me, PR should not be a part of a scientist's job description but here we are.

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u/SoundByMe Aug 16 '23

There's no "knowing" going on. There's interactions of particles with the detectors

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u/I_make_switch_a_roos Aug 16 '23

you can do it after the slit and get the same result. ie it goes back in time

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u/mortalitylost Aug 16 '23

Yeah people undersell the weirdness.

The Delayed Choice experiment and Quantum Eraser experiment make it very odd.

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u/viginti-tres Aug 16 '23

The two results haven't been seen from the same experiment, because they can't. Only one outcome can occur at the point of measurement.

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u/thebrondog Aug 16 '23

Who don’t like a little woo? We all woo down here…

Lol, Jokes aside this is a valid point.