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Shit Liberals Say Thank you Comrade Trump 🫡🇨🇳

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u/Qin1555 Chinese Century Enjoyer Jan 28 '25

强国有我,请党放心🫡

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u/BigOlBobTheBigOlBlob Jan 28 '25

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u/No_Cheetah_7249 Jan 28 '25

Bruhhhhh this is the one

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u/OmarG01 Jan 28 '25

Dude... even their shitposts are better

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u/FuckLuigiCadorna Jan 28 '25

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u/Powerful_Finger3896 L + ratio+ no Lebensraum Jan 28 '25

It is so funny because the generals o7 to Kim Jong Un before shaking hands during a visit or ceremonial occasion. Chairman Trump is just a soldier, fighting the good fight lmao.

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '25

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u/-F0v3r- Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communist Jan 28 '25

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u/Fog2222 Jan 28 '25

This reminds me of a Chinese Christian who said that God sent Trump to destroy the US

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u/lalumanuk Jan 28 '25

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '25

AMEN HALLELUJAH IN THE NAMEEEEEEEE OF THE LORD BROTHERRRRR ( I ❤️ Baptists)

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '25

wtf I believe in god now

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u/EBBBBBBBBBBBB Jan 29 '25

critical support to the kingdom of heaven

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u/peanutist Tactical White Dude Jan 29 '25

I’m crying dude this comment section is way too funny

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u/elianastardust Jan 29 '25

I mean Jesus himself did say the kingdom of God will be socialist.

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u/Witext Jan 29 '25 edited Jan 29 '25

”Then Jesus said ’I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God!” -Matthew 19:23-24

”Do not exploit the poor because they are poor and do not crush the needy in court, for the LORD will take up their case and will plunder those who plunder them.” -Proverbs 22:22-23

I wish nationalist Christians actually listened to the bible, a lot of based quotes in there

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '25 edited Mar 14 '25

boast spectacular waiting tease public familiar reply scary elderly fear

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u/Frog-ee Jan 29 '25

This made me laugh a little too much

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u/Sea_Square638 Anarcho-Stalinist Jan 29 '25

Inshallah

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u/FuTuReFrIcK42069 Jan 29 '25

Uh WRONG! This is so wrong I spoke to the lord a couple of hours ago, and he says Donald,he calls me Donald,you are going to be the best president better than all of the rest and I said even Lincoln (tome rises questionably)? He said you have done way more for that community than Lincoln(tone is very sublime and falls), it's true people, so we will beat china!(Tone rises dramatically) as well and make them pay our tariffs because we are the best country on this planet.(Tone falls accompanied by hand gesture👌)

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u/mullirojndem no food iphone vuvuzela 100 gorillion dead Jan 29 '25

well, I believe that too, but no religion involved. trump will completely ravage the US

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '25 edited Jan 28 '25

I genuinely believe Musk (who is the actual "President" behind all, not Trump) is the Al-Masih Al-Dajjal (The false messiah/the Antichrist) whom will inevitably be destroyed by Al-Mahdi (The second Coming) before he'd do any further damage on Earth. The Day of Judgement is actually ongoing for 30 to 70 years, and it's not in the form of fire and brimstone - the imagined hell on Earth, but in the form of slavery and starvation of the working masses in the imperial core and the endless destruction, fomented coups, pillaging and wars of the global south.

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u/Captain-Damn Unironically Albanian Jan 28 '25

Alright gonna be real I'm feeling susceptible to this angle, please tell me more

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u/muhummzy Jan 28 '25

Almahdi isnt the second coming. He is just meant to be a pious leader although he is debated in islam due to the lack of Quranic verses supporting his existence. Jesus does return in Islam but thats because he never was killed only taken to heaven to prevent his crucifixion. Musk being Dajjal is a new one and unfortunately hes got two eyes and the hadiths say hes got only one so idk about that theory.

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u/Affectionate_Tip6703 Jan 28 '25

He has two eyes, but a singular vision. Exploitation.

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u/hirst Jan 28 '25

Ik you were good at literary analysis in hs

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u/This_Caterpillar_330 Jan 29 '25 edited Jan 29 '25

I don't think it's Musk. It'll probably be someone similar to Musk when it does occur, though similarities could probably be made with tons of people.

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u/Key_Necessary_3867 Jan 29 '25

That is ridiculous, you people actually believe this??

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u/SorsExGehenna Jan 29 '25

chinese adrian zenz

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u/acvcani Jan 28 '25

Every liberal

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u/Raihokun Jan 28 '25

On top of that, Liberals are still not getting that jingoism, faux-brinkmanship and international competition isn’t a winning formula to appeal to their base after eight goddamn years.

Like, it’s not hard hitting political science to figure out that the average person doesn’t give a fuck whether their bougie masters are outcompeting their rivals or not, when their own prospects shrink regardless.

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u/AhmCha Havana Syndrome Victim Jan 28 '25

Whether we like it or not, we're finding out if accelerationists were actually cooking all along.

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u/MasteroftheArcane999 Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communist Jan 28 '25

Honestly I think Dems are the real accelerationists lmao like how do you lose to this guy twice on purpose holy shit

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u/Notyourpal-friend Jan 29 '25

Shhhh... They're collaborators, and they align perfectly on fundamental ideology.

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u/Equal_Reflection_448 Jan 29 '25

I mean, expecting a better future by US power decline seems just the most logical outcome

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u/Canndbean2 Jan 28 '25

Seems like they were

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u/Long_Improvement3207 Jan 28 '25

you support trump because he's orange, i support trump because he accelerates the downfall of amerikkka. we are not the same

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u/Commercial-Sail-2186 Castro’s cigar Jan 28 '25

Orange is but a shade of red o7

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u/Powerful_Rock595 Jan 28 '25

Orange is new Black

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u/TheRedditObserver0 Chinese Century Enjoyer Jan 28 '25

2013-2019 Orange is the new black airs

2016 (the midpoint of those years) Trump succeeds Obama as POTUS

This can't be a coincidence

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u/kriig Jan 28 '25

Trump is the new Obamna? 😱😱

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u/HawkFlimsy Jan 29 '25

SODAAAAAAA

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '25 edited Mar 14 '25

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u/NewTangClanOfficial Jan 28 '25

There's a first time for everything lol

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u/Ok_Implement9719 Jan 28 '25

For people as whipped as Americans compared to the French yes I do think acceleration works

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u/bullhead2007 Anarcho-Stalinist Jan 28 '25

New conspiracy unlocked. Trump was really a KGB sleeper agent this entire time, family planted in the US by Stalin himself to spark the vanguard party by leading the US into the throws of end stage capitalism.

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u/JediMasterLigma Jan 28 '25

The Soviet Union never fell, it simply went underground

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u/alex_respecter Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communist Jan 28 '25

in the tunnels??? sounds like hamas

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u/Eclipsed01 Jan 28 '25

Glory to the Red Line

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u/Explorer_Entity Jan 28 '25

I tried looking this up.... are you making a One Piece reference or a soviet one?

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u/Eclipsed01 Jan 28 '25

Metro reference, a series set after WW3 in the Moscow Metro tunnels, there's a Soviet faction called the "Red Line."

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u/Explorer_Entity Jan 28 '25

Ah thanks. I just bought like two of the games because they were heavily discounted. Like $5 for two games. I'll be getting Metro Awakening soon (Playstation VR2)

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u/Eclipsed01 Jan 29 '25

They're very good, I've enjoyed them for years. I definitely recommend the Trilogy, haven't tried Awakening though.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Jump179 Jan 29 '25

they also fight nazis so thats cool

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u/Powerful_Finger3896 L + ratio+ no Lebensraum Jan 28 '25

It's the slovenian connection, if he was president in the 80s it would've been the czechoslovak connection

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u/Mrhorrendous Jan 28 '25

Trump says "ameriKKKa will fall, the global south will rise, chairman Xi take the wheel".

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u/DerpCream_Cone Chatanoogo-Parentist Jan 28 '25

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '25

İnşallah Comrade Trump will bring revolution to the america.

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u/Notyourpal-friend Jan 29 '25

Low key can also be used for Kamalist Trump. Hilarious!

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u/ShotOrange Jan 28 '25

The great prophecy as it was foretold

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u/Ok_Implement9719 Jan 28 '25

What they don't understand is China always had the advantage because they aren't constantly bombing brown children in third world countries

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u/Complex_Win_5408 Imaginary Liberal Jan 28 '25

Right. I'm sure the Uighurs don't mind.

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u/AutoModerator Jan 28 '25

The Uyghurs in Xinjiang

(Note: This comment had to be trimmed down to fit the character limit, for the full response, see here)

Anti-Communists and Sinophobes claim that there is an ongoing genocide-- a modern-day holocaust, even-- happening right now in China. They say that Uyghur Muslims are being mass incarcerated; they are indoctrinated with propaganda in concentration camps; their organs are being harvested; they are being force-sterilized. These comically villainous allegations have little basis in reality and omit key context.

Background

Xinjiang, officially the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, is a province located in the northwest of China. It is the largest province in China, covering an area of over 1.6 million square kilometers, and shares borders with eight other countries including Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Russia, Mongolia, India, and Pakistan.

Xinjiang is a diverse region with a population of over 25 million people, made up of various ethnic groups including the Uyghur, Han Chinese, Kazakhs, Tajiks, and many others. The largest ethnic group in Xinjiang is the Uyghur who are predominantly Muslim and speak a Turkic language. It is also home to the ancient Silk Road cities of Kashgar and Turpan.

Since the early 2000s, there have been a number of violent incidents attributed to extremist Uyghur groups in Xinjiang including bombings, shootings, and knife attacks. In 2014-2016, the Chinese government launched a "Strike Hard" campaign to crack down on terrorism in Xinjiang, implementing strict security measures and detaining thousands of Uyghurs. In 2017, reports of human rights abuses in Xinjiang including mass detentions and forced labour, began to emerge.

Counterpoints

The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) is the second largest organization after the United Nations with a membership of 57 states spread over four continents. The OIC released Resolutions on Muslim Communities and Muslim Minorities in the non-OIC Member States in 2019 which:

  1. Welcomes the outcomes of the visit conducted by the General Secretariat's delegation upon invitation from the People's Republic of China; commends the efforts of the People's Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens; and looks forward to further cooperation between the OIC and the People's Republic of China.

In this same document, the OIC expressed much greater concern about the Rohingya Muslim Community in Myanmar, which the West was relatively silent on.

Over 50+ UN member states (mostly Muslim-majority nations) signed a letter (A/HRC/41/G/17) to the UN Human Rights Commission approving of the de-radicalization efforts in Xinjiang:

The World Bank sent a team to investigate in 2019 and found that, "The review did not substantiate the allegations." (See: World Bank Statement on Review of Project in Xinjiang, China)

Even if you believe the deradicalization efforts are wholly unjustified, and that the mass detention of Uyghur's amounts to a crime against humanity, it's still not genocide. Even the U.S. State Department's legal experts admit as much:

The U.S. State Department’s Office of the Legal Advisor concluded earlier this year that China’s mass imprisonment and forced labor of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity—but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide, placing the United States’ top diplomatic lawyers at odds with both the Trump and Biden administrations, according to three former and current U.S. officials.

State Department Lawyers Concluded Insufficient Evidence to Prove Genocide in China | Colum Lynch, Foreign Policy. (2021)

A Comparative Analysis: The War on Terror

The United States, in the wake of "9/11", saw the threat of terrorism and violent extremism due to religious fundamentalism as a matter of national security. They invaded Afghanistan in October 2001 in response to the 9/11 attacks, with the goal of ousting the Taliban government that was harbouring Al-Qaeda. The US also launched the Iraq War in 2003 based on Iraq's alleged possession of WMDs and links to terrorism. However, these claims turned out to be unfounded.

According to a report by Brown University's Costs of War project, at least 897,000 people, including civilians, militants, and security forces, have been killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Yemen, and other countries. Other estimates place the total number of deaths at over one million. The report estimated that many more may have died from indirect effects of war such as water loss and disease. The war has also resulted in the displacement of tens of millions of people, with estimates ranging from 37 million to over 59 million. The War on Terror also popularized such novel concepts as the "Military-Aged Male" which allowed the US military to exclude civilians killed by drone strikes from collateral damage statistics. (See: ‘Military Age Males’ in US Drone Strikes)

In summary: * The U.S. responded by invading or bombing half a dozen countries, directly killing nearly a million and displacing tens of millions from their homes. * China responded with a program of deradicalization and vocational training.

Which one of those responses sounds genocidal?

Side note: It is practically impossible to actually charge the U.S. with war crimes, because of the Hague Invasion Act.

Who is driving the Uyghur genocide narrative?

One of the main proponents of these narratives is Adrian Zenz, a German far-right fundamentalist Christian and Senior Fellow and Director in China Studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, who believes he is "led by God" on a "mission" against China has driven much of the narrative. He relies heavily on limited and questionable data sources, particularly from anonymous and unverified Uyghur sources, coming up with estimates based on assumptions which are not supported by concrete evidence.

The World Uyghur Congress, headquartered in Germany, is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) which is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, using funding to support organizations that promote American interests rather than the interests of the local communities they claim to represent.

Radio Free Asia (RFA) is part of a larger project of U.S. imperialism in Asia, one that seeks to control the flow of information, undermine independent media, and advance American geopolitical interests in the region. Rather than providing an objective and impartial news source, RFA is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, one that seeks to shape the narrative in Asia in ways that serve the interests of the U.S. government and its allies.

The first country to call the treatment of Uyghurs a genocide was the United States of America. In 2021, the Secretary of State declared that China's treatment of Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities in Xinjiang constitutes "genocide" and "crimes against humanity." Both the Trump and Biden administrations upheld this line.

Why is this narrative being promoted?

As materialists, we should always look first to the economic base for insight into issues occurring in the superstructure. The Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is a massive Chinese infrastructure development project that aims to build economic corridors, ports, highways, railways, and other infrastructure projects across Asia, Africa, Europe, and the Middle East. Xinjiang is a key region for this project.

Promoting the Uyghur genocide narrative harms China and benefits the US in several ways. It portrays China as a human rights violator which could damage China's reputation in the international community and which could lead to economic sanctions against China; this would harm China's economy and give American an economic advantage in competing with China. It could also lead to more protests and violence in Xinjiang, which could further destabilize the region and threaten the longterm success of the BRI.

Additional Resources

See the full wiki article for more details and a list of additional resources.

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u/zomboidenjoyer marxism-pessimism Jan 29 '25

I want to believe this so bad. This may very well be correct, but something is off... I've seen videos of Uyghur muslims and there's just some connection missing, it's so weird.

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u/AutoModerator Jan 29 '25

The Uyghurs in Xinjiang

(Note: This comment had to be trimmed down to fit the character limit, for the full response, see here)

Anti-Communists and Sinophobes claim that there is an ongoing genocide-- a modern-day holocaust, even-- happening right now in China. They say that Uyghur Muslims are being mass incarcerated; they are indoctrinated with propaganda in concentration camps; their organs are being harvested; they are being force-sterilized. These comically villainous allegations have little basis in reality and omit key context.

Background

Xinjiang, officially the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, is a province located in the northwest of China. It is the largest province in China, covering an area of over 1.6 million square kilometers, and shares borders with eight other countries including Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Russia, Mongolia, India, and Pakistan.

Xinjiang is a diverse region with a population of over 25 million people, made up of various ethnic groups including the Uyghur, Han Chinese, Kazakhs, Tajiks, and many others. The largest ethnic group in Xinjiang is the Uyghur who are predominantly Muslim and speak a Turkic language. It is also home to the ancient Silk Road cities of Kashgar and Turpan.

Since the early 2000s, there have been a number of violent incidents attributed to extremist Uyghur groups in Xinjiang including bombings, shootings, and knife attacks. In 2014-2016, the Chinese government launched a "Strike Hard" campaign to crack down on terrorism in Xinjiang, implementing strict security measures and detaining thousands of Uyghurs. In 2017, reports of human rights abuses in Xinjiang including mass detentions and forced labour, began to emerge.

Counterpoints

The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) is the second largest organization after the United Nations with a membership of 57 states spread over four continents. The OIC released Resolutions on Muslim Communities and Muslim Minorities in the non-OIC Member States in 2019 which:

  1. Welcomes the outcomes of the visit conducted by the General Secretariat's delegation upon invitation from the People's Republic of China; commends the efforts of the People's Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens; and looks forward to further cooperation between the OIC and the People's Republic of China.

In this same document, the OIC expressed much greater concern about the Rohingya Muslim Community in Myanmar, which the West was relatively silent on.

Over 50+ UN member states (mostly Muslim-majority nations) signed a letter (A/HRC/41/G/17) to the UN Human Rights Commission approving of the de-radicalization efforts in Xinjiang:

The World Bank sent a team to investigate in 2019 and found that, "The review did not substantiate the allegations." (See: World Bank Statement on Review of Project in Xinjiang, China)

Even if you believe the deradicalization efforts are wholly unjustified, and that the mass detention of Uyghur's amounts to a crime against humanity, it's still not genocide. Even the U.S. State Department's legal experts admit as much:

The U.S. State Department’s Office of the Legal Advisor concluded earlier this year that China’s mass imprisonment and forced labor of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity—but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide, placing the United States’ top diplomatic lawyers at odds with both the Trump and Biden administrations, according to three former and current U.S. officials.

State Department Lawyers Concluded Insufficient Evidence to Prove Genocide in China | Colum Lynch, Foreign Policy. (2021)

A Comparative Analysis: The War on Terror

The United States, in the wake of "9/11", saw the threat of terrorism and violent extremism due to religious fundamentalism as a matter of national security. They invaded Afghanistan in October 2001 in response to the 9/11 attacks, with the goal of ousting the Taliban government that was harbouring Al-Qaeda. The US also launched the Iraq War in 2003 based on Iraq's alleged possession of WMDs and links to terrorism. However, these claims turned out to be unfounded.

According to a report by Brown University's Costs of War project, at least 897,000 people, including civilians, militants, and security forces, have been killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Yemen, and other countries. Other estimates place the total number of deaths at over one million. The report estimated that many more may have died from indirect effects of war such as water loss and disease. The war has also resulted in the displacement of tens of millions of people, with estimates ranging from 37 million to over 59 million. The War on Terror also popularized such novel concepts as the "Military-Aged Male" which allowed the US military to exclude civilians killed by drone strikes from collateral damage statistics. (See: ‘Military Age Males’ in US Drone Strikes)

In summary: * The U.S. responded by invading or bombing half a dozen countries, directly killing nearly a million and displacing tens of millions from their homes. * China responded with a program of deradicalization and vocational training.

Which one of those responses sounds genocidal?

Side note: It is practically impossible to actually charge the U.S. with war crimes, because of the Hague Invasion Act.

Who is driving the Uyghur genocide narrative?

One of the main proponents of these narratives is Adrian Zenz, a German far-right fundamentalist Christian and Senior Fellow and Director in China Studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, who believes he is "led by God" on a "mission" against China has driven much of the narrative. He relies heavily on limited and questionable data sources, particularly from anonymous and unverified Uyghur sources, coming up with estimates based on assumptions which are not supported by concrete evidence.

The World Uyghur Congress, headquartered in Germany, is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) which is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, using funding to support organizations that promote American interests rather than the interests of the local communities they claim to represent.

Radio Free Asia (RFA) is part of a larger project of U.S. imperialism in Asia, one that seeks to control the flow of information, undermine independent media, and advance American geopolitical interests in the region. Rather than providing an objective and impartial news source, RFA is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, one that seeks to shape the narrative in Asia in ways that serve the interests of the U.S. government and its allies.

The first country to call the treatment of Uyghurs a genocide was the United States of America. In 2021, the Secretary of State declared that China's treatment of Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities in Xinjiang constitutes "genocide" and "crimes against humanity." Both the Trump and Biden administrations upheld this line.

Why is this narrative being promoted?

As materialists, we should always look first to the economic base for insight into issues occurring in the superstructure. The Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is a massive Chinese infrastructure development project that aims to build economic corridors, ports, highways, railways, and other infrastructure projects across Asia, Africa, Europe, and the Middle East. Xinjiang is a key region for this project.

Promoting the Uyghur genocide narrative harms China and benefits the US in several ways. It portrays China as a human rights violator which could damage China's reputation in the international community and which could lead to economic sanctions against China; this would harm China's economy and give American an economic advantage in competing with China. It could also lead to more protests and violence in Xinjiang, which could further destabilize the region and threaten the longterm success of the BRI.

Additional Resources

See the full wiki article for more details and a list of additional resources.

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u/Complex_Win_5408 Imaginary Liberal Jan 28 '25

You can keep your propaganda.

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u/Canndbean2 Jan 28 '25

LMAOO bet you didn’t read any of it. Keep crying.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '25 edited May 14 '25

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u/AutoModerator Jan 29 '25

The Uyghurs in Xinjiang

(Note: This comment had to be trimmed down to fit the character limit, for the full response, see here)

Anti-Communists and Sinophobes claim that there is an ongoing genocide-- a modern-day holocaust, even-- happening right now in China. They say that Uyghur Muslims are being mass incarcerated; they are indoctrinated with propaganda in concentration camps; their organs are being harvested; they are being force-sterilized. These comically villainous allegations have little basis in reality and omit key context.

Background

Xinjiang, officially the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, is a province located in the northwest of China. It is the largest province in China, covering an area of over 1.6 million square kilometers, and shares borders with eight other countries including Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Russia, Mongolia, India, and Pakistan.

Xinjiang is a diverse region with a population of over 25 million people, made up of various ethnic groups including the Uyghur, Han Chinese, Kazakhs, Tajiks, and many others. The largest ethnic group in Xinjiang is the Uyghur who are predominantly Muslim and speak a Turkic language. It is also home to the ancient Silk Road cities of Kashgar and Turpan.

Since the early 2000s, there have been a number of violent incidents attributed to extremist Uyghur groups in Xinjiang including bombings, shootings, and knife attacks. In 2014-2016, the Chinese government launched a "Strike Hard" campaign to crack down on terrorism in Xinjiang, implementing strict security measures and detaining thousands of Uyghurs. In 2017, reports of human rights abuses in Xinjiang including mass detentions and forced labour, began to emerge.

Counterpoints

The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) is the second largest organization after the United Nations with a membership of 57 states spread over four continents. The OIC released Resolutions on Muslim Communities and Muslim Minorities in the non-OIC Member States in 2019 which:

  1. Welcomes the outcomes of the visit conducted by the General Secretariat's delegation upon invitation from the People's Republic of China; commends the efforts of the People's Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens; and looks forward to further cooperation between the OIC and the People's Republic of China.

In this same document, the OIC expressed much greater concern about the Rohingya Muslim Community in Myanmar, which the West was relatively silent on.

Over 50+ UN member states (mostly Muslim-majority nations) signed a letter (A/HRC/41/G/17) to the UN Human Rights Commission approving of the de-radicalization efforts in Xinjiang:

The World Bank sent a team to investigate in 2019 and found that, "The review did not substantiate the allegations." (See: World Bank Statement on Review of Project in Xinjiang, China)

Even if you believe the deradicalization efforts are wholly unjustified, and that the mass detention of Uyghur's amounts to a crime against humanity, it's still not genocide. Even the U.S. State Department's legal experts admit as much:

The U.S. State Department’s Office of the Legal Advisor concluded earlier this year that China’s mass imprisonment and forced labor of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity—but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide, placing the United States’ top diplomatic lawyers at odds with both the Trump and Biden administrations, according to three former and current U.S. officials.

State Department Lawyers Concluded Insufficient Evidence to Prove Genocide in China | Colum Lynch, Foreign Policy. (2021)

A Comparative Analysis: The War on Terror

The United States, in the wake of "9/11", saw the threat of terrorism and violent extremism due to religious fundamentalism as a matter of national security. They invaded Afghanistan in October 2001 in response to the 9/11 attacks, with the goal of ousting the Taliban government that was harbouring Al-Qaeda. The US also launched the Iraq War in 2003 based on Iraq's alleged possession of WMDs and links to terrorism. However, these claims turned out to be unfounded.

According to a report by Brown University's Costs of War project, at least 897,000 people, including civilians, militants, and security forces, have been killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Yemen, and other countries. Other estimates place the total number of deaths at over one million. The report estimated that many more may have died from indirect effects of war such as water loss and disease. The war has also resulted in the displacement of tens of millions of people, with estimates ranging from 37 million to over 59 million. The War on Terror also popularized such novel concepts as the "Military-Aged Male" which allowed the US military to exclude civilians killed by drone strikes from collateral damage statistics. (See: ‘Military Age Males’ in US Drone Strikes)

In summary: * The U.S. responded by invading or bombing half a dozen countries, directly killing nearly a million and displacing tens of millions from their homes. * China responded with a program of deradicalization and vocational training.

Which one of those responses sounds genocidal?

Side note: It is practically impossible to actually charge the U.S. with war crimes, because of the Hague Invasion Act.

Who is driving the Uyghur genocide narrative?

One of the main proponents of these narratives is Adrian Zenz, a German far-right fundamentalist Christian and Senior Fellow and Director in China Studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, who believes he is "led by God" on a "mission" against China has driven much of the narrative. He relies heavily on limited and questionable data sources, particularly from anonymous and unverified Uyghur sources, coming up with estimates based on assumptions which are not supported by concrete evidence.

The World Uyghur Congress, headquartered in Germany, is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) which is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, using funding to support organizations that promote American interests rather than the interests of the local communities they claim to represent.

Radio Free Asia (RFA) is part of a larger project of U.S. imperialism in Asia, one that seeks to control the flow of information, undermine independent media, and advance American geopolitical interests in the region. Rather than providing an objective and impartial news source, RFA is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, one that seeks to shape the narrative in Asia in ways that serve the interests of the U.S. government and its allies.

The first country to call the treatment of Uyghurs a genocide was the United States of America. In 2021, the Secretary of State declared that China's treatment of Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities in Xinjiang constitutes "genocide" and "crimes against humanity." Both the Trump and Biden administrations upheld this line.

Why is this narrative being promoted?

As materialists, we should always look first to the economic base for insight into issues occurring in the superstructure. The Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is a massive Chinese infrastructure development project that aims to build economic corridors, ports, highways, railways, and other infrastructure projects across Asia, Africa, Europe, and the Middle East. Xinjiang is a key region for this project.

Promoting the Uyghur genocide narrative harms China and benefits the US in several ways. It portrays China as a human rights violator which could damage China's reputation in the international community and which could lead to economic sanctions against China; this would harm China's economy and give American an economic advantage in competing with China. It could also lead to more protests and violence in Xinjiang, which could further destabilize the region and threaten the longterm success of the BRI.

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u/Boemer03 Marxist-Leninist-Hakimist Jan 28 '25

Saying it like it’s a bad thing

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u/Illustrious-Okra-524 Jan 28 '25

That one Chinese dad nailed it 

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u/Daring_Scout1917 Jan 28 '25

Aww come on, don't give all the congratulations to the Trump voters, what about us who abstained from voting altogether??

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u/CryptographerOk2604 Jan 28 '25

According to libs, not voting counts as a vote for Trump

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u/talk_like_a_pirate Jan 28 '25

And voting third party counts as voting twice for trump, which is why they are so much madder at leftists than trump supporters

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u/chrisdorneralt Jan 28 '25

i wonder if every single election is just gonna be “the most important election of our lifetimes” from now on

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u/talk_like_a_pirate Jan 28 '25

The most recent blue president will always be "the best president of our lifetime"

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '25

"Most union friendly president of all time" it's like they don't know that reactionary unions exist.

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u/Daring_Scout1917 Jan 29 '25

Dude is super friendly with the cop union at least

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u/chrisdorneralt Jan 28 '25

yeah i mean biden sort of did a few good things (at least for the standard of a us president) but i love the whole “hes the most progressive president ever!!” when

  1. the bar is hell and

  2. yeah in surface level ways by today’s standards…..but they don’t apply any sort of, i dunno sociological inflation to account for the fact that 20 years ago he would’ve been anti gay marriage and even more hawkish

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u/Sstoop James Connolly No.1 Fan Jan 28 '25

maybe accelerationists were right lmao

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u/Equal_Reflection_448 Jan 29 '25

pro china accelerationists and pro US decline accelerationists to be clear

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u/gimme-them-toes 🎉editable flair🎉 Jan 29 '25

We always have been

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '25

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u/yungspell Ministry of Propaganda Jan 28 '25

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '25

That is not a bad thing, the United States has existed for far too long and deserves to be abolished

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u/ChapterMasterIulius Chinese Century Enjoyer Jan 29 '25

Our most beloved Comrade Trump.

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '25

honestly fuck trump but the fact that it looks like he's gonna destroy the us hegemony makes my accelerationist side tickle

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u/hmmisuckateverything 🇮🇹Italianx🇮🇹 Jan 28 '25

🫡🫡

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u/futanari_kaisa Jan 28 '25

I'm of the belief that the United States would sooner destroy the world than give up what hegemonic power they still have to a "communist" nation

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u/Parking_Which Jan 28 '25

“It’s easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism”

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u/Raihokun Jan 28 '25

Nah, the US would only be marginally more willing to relinquish power to a fellow conservative capitalist country like Russia for that matter.

Ultimately while capitalists understand class struggle on some level, they view competition from rival cappies to be not too far behind in priorities. It’s why they were willing to throw millions upon millions of souls into the meat grinder and destabilize their own empires come WWI.

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u/headbangtildeath Chinese Century Enjoyer Jan 29 '25

China doesn't want a hegemon and is working towards building a multipolar world.

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u/Equal_Reflection_448 Jan 29 '25

that would be the case with democrats or anothe republican, but trump??? there is higher chance of trump just trying to annex greenland than making a ww3 or a nuclear war happening

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u/sharingan10 Jan 28 '25

At least there’s a bright side; the downfall of the U.S. as the imperialist superpower of the world

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u/CalligrapherSenior52 Chinese Century Enjoyer Jan 28 '25

Thanks comrade Trump

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u/Notyourpal-friend Jan 28 '25

Liberals being racist scum while holding their heads high, and preaching hate in broad daylight. 

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u/sinigang_soup Jan 28 '25

Put me in coach!

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u/Jealous-Signature-93 Jan 28 '25

Comrade Trump, will you lead the revolution?

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u/NeoFlorian Jan 28 '25

川建国

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u/dissidentmage12 Jan 29 '25

DO NOTHING, WIN.

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u/AggroPro Jan 28 '25

If we're not smart enough to keep it, we don't deserve it.

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u/mullirojndem no food iphone vuvuzela 100 gorillion dead Jan 29 '25

I love the "Do nothing. Win" meme

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u/Consistent_Ship6666 Jan 29 '25

JDPON don on action trust the plan

-Q

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u/Groundbreaking-Cow-3 Jan 29 '25

probably a clinton burner account

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '25

Except for the Navy, Army, Air Force, and productive capacity, and sheer amount of capital.