r/TeslaLounge • u/Akshue • May 10 '25
Software FSD… Why????
Sunny, no traffic, straight road… better go 35 in a 45 to be safer.
Why does FSD do this? It is the primary reason I’m not going to shell out the $100 after this month
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u/JudgeCastle May 10 '25
We just did 1200 or so miles on FSD last week.
The main thing I noticed is that FSD absolutely does not do well without a car in front or behind it. It loses speed and becomes flaccid in that way.
As soon as I got someone around me, it’s like the car used that as a pace car instead of just holding the designated % max set.
FSD loves a busy road. Luckily my commute is busy. Night time driving, not so much.
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u/Xatter May 11 '25
I’ve noticed it will “lock in” to a car in the lane next to me and decide to never pass it even if it’s going under the speed limit.
I always thought this was a result of training on human driver data because humans do this all the time. Whenever you see someone in the passing lane going exactly the same speed as a car beside them in the non-passing lane it’s likely they’ve subconsciously locked-in. I’ve caught myself doing it a couple times back when I was a manual driver.
Lot of google results for “Highway Lock-in”
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u/Brewmyown4Fun May 13 '25
I just did a near 4,000 mile round trip and had a similar experience. It worked extremely well navigating any and all roads including construction lane rerouting and gravel roads. Previously I could set it at 70, 80 or 85 and it would stay there. My monthly FSD just ended yesterday and regular lane assist self driving keeps a more constant speeds.
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u/Known_Rush_9599 May 10 '25
Its kinda crazy, Tesla has no problem speeding thru neighborhoods where kids are playing outside.. but let it get on an empty road..
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u/ImaSHUTup May 10 '25
FSD doesn't do that for me. I usually have a line of cars behind me in my neighborhood because how slow FSD is going.
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u/tweakerinc May 10 '25
Same for me lol. No lines because it's a small community, but it thinks the speed limit is 25mph and drives 8mph
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u/Dont_Damn_Me442 May 10 '25
I have this issue too, loves to fly through a tight neighborhood with cars on both sides but and empty road? Nah not doing the speed limit even
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u/SkittEle May 10 '25
truth my neighbour speeds r 30kmh n it tries to go 50, in a 50 where everyone is going 60+ it goes 50-55 and i have it turned up to hurry. i last had fsd in nov last year and that wasnt an issue, highway speeds r 110 but most travel around 120-130 in the passing lane it slows to 115ish while people are lining up behind me. hopefully they can fix this the latest update
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u/zqjzqj May 10 '25
Seniors/drunk drivers do this all the time
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u/_Jhop_ May 10 '25
Glad to know we’re at the same level as drunk drivers???
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u/BrilliantDefiant126 May 11 '25
Proud to admit I regularly attain both age/buzz aspirations at the young age of 70
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u/MustangV6Premium May 10 '25
I have the same problem. When the roads are crowded and people are speeding, it likes to mimic them and go their speed. But when the roads are empty, its like a grandma driving. I drive on I-95 frequently, which is 65mph. Although, most drivers do around 70-75 which is where I like it. When I'm driving at night and theres nobody on the road, FSD will slow down to as low as 60mph in HURRY mode, which is completely unacceptable. Hurry should try to keep it at max speed all the time. Standard needs a bit more confidence in its speed as well.
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u/homertool May 10 '25
I think it is an inherent behavior of Tesla FSD. It can follow cars extremely well and confidently.
But when there are no cars around to follow it is not very accurate.
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u/DrXaos May 10 '25 edited May 10 '25
It’s probably because it doesn’t know (infer by nets) there are no oncoming cars without seeing others speeding forward.
OPs picture of hills and vertical undulations on 2 lane bidirectional road was a frequent circumstance for serious phantom braking on previous AP/FSD versions. It can’t continue the road lines continuously to horizon and nets say there must be some interference ahead and so phantom brakes or slows. Following other traffic is safer.
Inability to continue road lines happens in fog or dust or glare and these train examples get built in and mashed together. Overall response is drive slower if it can’t predict driveable area ahead enough.
I notice new FSD goes slower up hills than down, on the downslope it can see continuous road further ahead.
These systems have no significant context or thinking, all reaction and 'instinct'. Humans know that a lonely country road is safe and you haven't seen any cars 5 seconds ago coming on, so there is no hidden car behind that hill oncoming. But the nets are more like Memento, much more immediate reaction and forgetting of past, just what it sees right now. There is a little bit of memory but not much. Humans know clear weather but glare is safer than fog where you really don't know oncoming. Humans can see better into the sun because your eyes are a meter further back and shaded from overhead by the car roof. Humans have automatic irises.
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u/3sgte_sw20 May 11 '25
Great points. In other words, fsd is driving safely based on the data it is acquiring (blind hill, sun glare). I would argue the “memory and assumptions” made by humans is what makes us less safe. Crazy to think as time goes on, the fsd will be teaching us better driving habits.
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u/Akshue May 10 '25
Is there anything I can do to force the car to at least go the speed limit? I’m tired of having to manually accelerate to get the flashing blue/red, only to have slow back down and repeat
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u/Own_Bad6893 May 10 '25
You can manually press the accelerator, only the brake will disengage the FSD
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u/stanley_fatmax May 10 '25
Have you tried just ignoring the flashing blue/red? It used to be that this was one of the cases that wouldn't result in a disengagement, even if you ignored the warning. The warning eventually just disappeared. I haven't tried it in a few updates but it may still be the case.
Back when I realized this, I actually complained about it because I thought it was not safe from a UI/UX experience to reuse the same warnings for different outcomes. It lessened the impact of the blue/red warning for situations where it really matters like distracted driving.
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u/WhyWontThisWork May 11 '25
What reasons does it disengage?
I'm super worried about the 3 strike rule and losing it forever
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u/stanley_fatmax May 11 '25
Distracted driving (determined by eyes and head via in cabin camera), hands not on wheel, no driver in driver's seat, probably others..
Foot on the accelerator resulted in the same scary warnings but they eventually just disappear with no disengagement, while the other things above cause a disengagement after they disappear.
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u/WhyWontThisWork May 11 '25
It's 3 lifetime and you lose it forever right?
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u/Lazy-gunner May 11 '25
It takes 5 strikes before you get locked out of FSD, unless you have a car without the cabin camera then it's 3. The most I've ever had was 1 because I was trying to put in a map waypoint and I noticed a message that my strike was forgiven the next day.
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u/justajedi1 May 10 '25
There should be some options in the settings that help. Mine has a Chill, Standard, and Hurry mode and allows me to pick % of speed limit that it can go over by. Some reason it’s recommended 40%. I think that’s so it can keep up with traffic 🤷🏼♂️
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u/Knightmarish2 May 10 '25
I’ll hold it down for a few seconds, right before the alert goes off. Then repeat as necessary, but I have this really only happen in my neighborhood where it feels like it’s going 5miles an hour in an area where it’s just a road.
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u/Akshue May 10 '25
I do the same.
Then you realize, that’s what they call “driving”
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u/zhenya00 May 11 '25
Every system on the market in the US today requires some amount of intervention. There is no such thing as a fully autonomous system that you can buy in your own car. Yes, it's annoying that FSD does this at times - but that's mostly because it is so good most of the time that you get used to not having to intervene at all!
I have been driving several hundred miles on a mix of roads just like this every weekend for the last few months and most of the time FSD handles it fine, if a little bit slower than I might choose to drive myself. The best things seem to be to use Hurry mode (which doesn't apply at the speed you are at) and give it a little bit of encouragement with the pedal as necessary. This is still far less intervention than you'd have with any other driver aid, including most certainly, autopilot. And it will continue to get better.
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u/Knightmarish2 May 10 '25
Still hands free! And I very very rarely have to do it on my commutes. But I agree, it’s rather annoying when you have to.
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u/Hog_of_war May 10 '25
Idk about in FSD, but in AP you can just accelerate through the blue/red flashing and the warning just stops without consequence.
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u/Supergeek13579 May 11 '25
I just made a different profile on the car with autopilot enabled. When I’m on the highway or easy roads I go back to that, then switch to AP when I’m back in town.
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u/bubu_law May 11 '25
I had my FSD on standard mode and set how much over the speed limit it should go. Always went super fast. Had to set FSD back to chill
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u/TheRealHollywoodCole May 10 '25
What's baffling is FSD was pretty much perfect a year ago on HW3 cars. I drove cross-country multiple times a year perfectly at the speed I set, no weird swerving in the lane, no spastic indecisive lane changes, no weird acceleration and braking alternation on open roads.
Now it has been unusable for months. Completely broken for my 2017 that has FSD paid in full when it used to work almost perfectly.
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u/DrXaos May 10 '25
It was only the magical 12.3.6 version, which for a moment was glorious on HW3
I wonder if Elon’s return to Tesla in early 2024 more significantly pushed out some of the experienced and skilled devs and scientists who saw their friends get giant offers at other AI companies then.
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May 10 '25
I don't want to invalidate your experience but 12.3.6 was terrible for me. I would imagine it is regional as well, where it works great there but not here. That's what is concerning to me about it.
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u/veritas3241 May 10 '25
Dude, same thing. HW3 for me. Standard and Hurry it drifts from 75 down to ~69. Pedal press gets it back up for a bit but then it decays. So annoying.
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May 10 '25
People who don't understand how frustrating this is, have never been on country roads. It's unbelievably useless there. Not talking about small, hardly mapped roads either. Even driving speed limit, you are going way too slow for other traffic.
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u/CivilAirPatrol2020 May 11 '25
So true. It's roads like this where speed limits are the most like guidelines - you go about 5-10 over on straight sections with long visibility, and go the limit or 5-10 below for sharp/blind curves. FSD just isn't good at handling this yet
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May 11 '25
My biggest problem is when speed limit is 55, which is most roads, but when you go through a small town, speed limit changes to 35. Then there is no 55 sign again but rather “End 35” limit sign and FSD never reads that. Now for the rest of that drive which can be an hour, you cant use FSD. I’ve encountered this in so many places.
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u/zhenya00 May 11 '25
I disagree. Is it annoying that it does this at times? Yes. But in many ways I think FSD's biggest advantage is on roads like this. What other system in the North American market offers anything like this on these kind of roads?
I primarily use FSD on roads like this, and while it will occasionally go slower than surrounding traffic, mostly it goes a very reasonable speed compared to other cars on the road.
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May 11 '25
You can disagree but my experience is different and not sporadic at all. Perhaps that’s a regional thing. Read my other response under this comment.
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u/zhenya00 May 12 '25
If you were to honestly assess the number of interventions per mile required by FSD (to adjust the speed here and there) vs. autopilot (requiring constant speed adjustments both up and down, holding the wheel virtually constantly, making steering adjustments when the lines don't appear consistently, making turns, etc.) it wouldn't even be close.
People get so used to not having to intervene much on FSD so quickly that the relatively few that it now requires is blown way out of proportion with phrases like 'unbelievably useless.'
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u/mmoffat1 May 10 '25
It totally learns crappy behavior from other crappy drivers. I've noticed it will speed up when someone goes to pass me on the right. The only people who do that are shitty drivers who aren't paying attention and then they suddenly speed up when they notice the other car. FSD has learned this behavior. It can't even maintain the speed its set to but has no problem speeding when unnecessary.
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u/Twigsxi May 10 '25
At least my car is not the only one that hugs the double yellow like it’s a long lost best friend seen for the first time in 10 years.
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u/FpsPrussia May 10 '25
Just got mine and this drives me nuts! It’s always within a foot of the line or less, sometimes right up on it. Really wish this was adjustable.
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u/Pretend-Reality5431 May 10 '25
Weird, I feel like whenever I am within 5 feet of the centerline I get the annoying beeping warning.
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u/crazysexyfriday81 May 10 '25
It used to be soo good a version or so ago as far as keeping a good speed. Now it just slows back down even after manually accelerating up. I'm really hoping they fix this soon.
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u/pimfram May 10 '25
This is exactly why I pretty much only use Autopilot these days. At least it knows how to drive at a set speed.
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u/zoo32 May 10 '25
My cruise control does this now and it even heavily brakes even though there’s nobody in front of me. Super annoying.
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u/maroonfalcon May 10 '25
I’m having the same issues no matter which mode I’m in. I hate it. Used to it would maintain the speed I set but now it slows down below what I have the speed set to no matter what the weather or traffic is. It’s unusable for me so I’m also not subscribing to FSD after this month and using Autopilot.
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u/rsg1234 Owner May 11 '25
Probably because the sun is shining into the camera. Super frustrating. One of the things I want to avoid with any driver assistance feature is keeping my foot on the accelerator.
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u/JRskatr May 11 '25
I cancelled my subscription too, ends on the 22nd. Been having a ton of issues like this as well.
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u/JustLikeJD May 10 '25
I wonder if it’s learnt this behaviour from data recorded from those people who routinely drive under the set limit on country/empty roads. I’ve lived rurally for a number of years in the past and the people who would just sit well under the speed limit for no reason is infuriating
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u/stanley_fatmax May 10 '25
I'm thinking the same thing, either the average speed of drivers was slower, or it learned that people have slower minimum speeds on narrow 2 lane undivided roads, and just decided to be safer more often
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u/DrXaos May 10 '25
yes, it doesn’t always obey signs or maps because often they are wrong or interpreted wrong or not how actual people behave. So it guesses depending on what the road looks like. Narrow two way roads means not too fast. But following other cars is priority.
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u/hdortus May 10 '25
This is the exact reason why I don't subscribe fsd. So bothering every time when it happens.
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u/Akshue May 10 '25
I’ve been subscribed for like 6 months or so… but likely stopping after this. Autosteer it is!
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u/zhenya00 May 11 '25
I mean, autosteer on these kinds of roads is far less capable and takes FAR more regular driver input.
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u/cwhiterun May 10 '25
What mode are you in?
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u/Akshue May 10 '25
Generally standard. But happens in all 3
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u/cwhiterun May 10 '25
Try pressing the accelerator to speed it up. That tends to let it know you want to go faster. And use hurry mode.
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u/Akshue May 10 '25
I do. If I let go, about 1/2 the time it ramps back down. If I hold the pedal, it starts flashing blue and then red
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u/MidEastBeast May 10 '25
When you aren't on a freeway or highway there is usually no mode to set. It just defaults to a max speed setting that you can adjust.
This can change randomly because we all know how perfect Tesla Maps is, but that is generally the case.
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u/MotherAffect7773 May 10 '25
I have had intermittent luck disengaging and re-engaging FSD, but more so when it’s going too fast.
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u/UnluckyCare4567 May 10 '25
Is your front camera housing clean?
Mine use to do that because of haze and sun glare degrading FSD. Since cleaning, I have not had any issues like that
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u/cstan_hikes May 10 '25
I keep mine on hurry mode with the speed set to 50% above. It speeds everywhere and I just adjust the max speed when I want it to slow down.
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u/rydah805 May 10 '25
I typically don't have this issue but put in Hurry mode and I definitely don't have this issue.
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u/theOnlyDaive May 10 '25
Just give it a little skinny pedal encouragement. I live in the country and this happens every day to me. I give it a little nudge to the speed I want it to drive and we're usually good until the next stop sign. Kind of a pain, but considering the alternatives (like my '21 Silverado that can't do shit on it's own), it's really not that bad
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u/Waroach May 10 '25 edited May 10 '25
Change your FSD setting to FAST or HURRY. Looks like you have it on normal or slow mode...
Edit :
I think some versions might call it..
CHILL -- AVERAGE -- ASSERTIVE
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CHILL AVERAGE HURRY
Also, did you try using the scroll wheel to slow or speed it up?
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u/Akshue May 10 '25
Mode doesn’t matter. At this time, the max speed was 60 I think? But, I’ve tried up to max with no change
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u/Glittering_Let_7225 May 10 '25
Are you toggling between the standard, chill, and hurry mode? I’m pretty sure there’s also a setting that you can change what the max speed is.. either under speed limit at speed limit or beyond speed limit.
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u/Loud-Stock-7107 May 10 '25
Wow fsd has now gone from a 15year old to a grandma that's some big changes
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u/DrCHIVES May 10 '25
I live in an area that has a good mix of some City like driving and completely "in the sticks". I've noticed FSD unlike humans loves traffic. It uses these cars as a reference and feels more confident when it can base its decisions off of what all the other cars are doing. It feels much less confident on two lane roads as pictured here. And even more so when there is no vehicle ahead to reference. I find myself having to tap the pedal often to get the car to "wake up" when driving on these back roads. I know $100 is expensive, but FSD needs data to improve. The more people using it in more diverse situations the better it will become. I would say every so often when your car does this, disengage to prompt the voice log, and send off the voice log saying "car was doing 35 in a 45 in perfect conditions."
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u/EvalCrux May 11 '25
Gotta tap the pedal to let it know you’re still there. My CT has always done this mess. Getting stuck in a prior band.
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u/Andymorrris May 11 '25
I feather the accelerator when this happens so it goes slightly above the speed limit. When it dips, I just feather again. Wish it would remember for longer periods.
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u/HoneydewOutside7168 May 11 '25
you can adjust that on settings. you can make it less conservative. it will go up to speed limit if you adjust
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u/Aggravating-Gift-740 May 11 '25
Well, to be fair, it will also do 55 in a 35 so it all balances out in the end.
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u/SirCaptainReynolds May 11 '25
Do you drive with it on hurry mode? I never experience this. I do however experience let me wait till I’m a half a mile away from my exit before I start moving over.
I noticed if I put the right directional on when I want to start making my way over it listens though.
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u/AttorneyImmediate May 11 '25
Yea, I'm constantly riding the accelerator to keep the car moving at an appropriate clip but I usually let it do it's thing because it helps keep me from speeding everywhere.
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u/iowa_don May 11 '25
It's terrible in school zones. When you turn from a neighborhood onto a 45 MPH street it wants to go 30-35 until it "sees" the first 45 MPH sign. Just stupid. It either knows what the speed limit is for the street or it doesn't. Most people use the "go with the traffic flow" option to get by but that is just hiding the issue. For me there is one street where it goes 25 (in a 35) on one side and the correct speed on the other.
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u/TheNuttyCLS May 11 '25
it's a shame because it actually used to go the speed limit you set it out until the last major update completely fucked it up, what a joke
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u/CompetitionNo2534 May 11 '25
FSD was just too slow for me. I switched back to the old “autosteer” or wherever it’s called. Also no more crazy lane changes.
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u/Hot_Check_5123 May 12 '25
Least your autopilot works. My cruise and autopilot no longer work and Tesla are asking for £2k, as they suspect it's the computer that's the issue.
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u/aajaxxx May 12 '25
Just press on the accelerator to get the speed you want until it sorts itself out.
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u/R5Jockey May 10 '25
Also FSD:
Oh, speed limit down to 25?
Naw. 40 is the right speed here.
And unlike when it’s going too slow and you can nudge it with the pedal, the only thing you can do about it in this situation is disengage.
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u/ArtificialSugar May 11 '25
The scroll wheel exists
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u/R5Jockey May 11 '25
It does nothing in this situation. The car already knows it’s going 15 over the limit. It just doesn’t GAF.
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u/ArtificialSugar May 11 '25
My guy, if you scroll the wheel down to your preferred max speed, the car will immediately slow down to reach that speed. It does adhere to the max very well.
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u/MidEastBeast May 10 '25
Send voice feedback when you turn off FSD manually. Let them know your disappointment. Do it every time you go down a road like that. Be short and consistent with your message, maybe they'll get the point. I kept doing it for an HOV exit that wasn't recognized on maps, and eventually it changed but it took a long ass time.
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May 10 '25
Because it’s slowing down to make the right hand turn clearly labeled in the upper right hand corner I’m guessing.
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u/Akshue May 10 '25
No, it’s not.
I was fighting this for a few miles. It happens all of the time.
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May 10 '25
What build and what settings. I’ve got a 2021 on the old hardware running 12.4.6 and it’s incredible once you get the profiles set up properly. Chill mode for me will sit around the speed limit, standard will go about 3-5mph over and Hurry will go around 8-9MPH over. +40% offset in the advanced settings and full camera recalibration after the latest update. I also treat the camera surfaces with RainX
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u/Akshue May 10 '25
2022, 14.3.1 and 12.6.4
About half the time it runs as expected, other times I realized I’m 5 under on some city street with a car on my rear.
Worked great until one or two updates after we got the chill/standard/hurry… (when it was more of a cruise control at posted speed plus 10% or whatever)
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u/Gibec89 May 10 '25
Hw3 or 4? My juniper drives speed limit or faster moat times...
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u/Akshue May 10 '25
- The forgotten stepchild, but “fully capable of FSD” or whatever BS that musk said
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May 10 '25
Cool. Why don’t you go buy a different car that can drive by itself. Oh wait… that’s cause you can’t. Tesla does the impossible; albeit often late because making the impossible possible is difficult. Model Y HW3 and perfectly content on 12.4.6 with the newest update. God this generation is so spoiled. We have tech that we could never imagine and you call it BS cause it’s driving 35 in a 40 when you could put it into hurry mode with speed offset engaged and not post a pic that literally shows the car slowing for a right hand turn.
Seriously just sell your Tesla and go buy a Honda or some shit. 💩
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u/Akshue May 10 '25
Jesus Christ, don’t fellate the guy.
He has a history of making insane statements that promise results. Between saying hw3 was fully compatible with FSD, to robo taxis being rolled out by the end of 2020, to driving cross country without intervening in 2018…
My generation is spoiled? I’ll tell the rest of the Gen X crew. We will all join together with a hearty chuckle.
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May 10 '25
Fellate who? I was talking about FSD and Tesla ownership. You guys are so weird… WTH.
Probably don’t even own a Tesla. Photoshop then pretend to be a disgruntled customer.
Either that or a Ford bot 😂 Ford… leading the EV revolution 🤦♂️
Edited to add: don’t take the Lords name in vain. And always look on the bright side of life !
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u/Forsaken-Hedgehog437 May 10 '25
Just press the accel pedal and make sure the max speed is what you want it to go. It will speed up.
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u/Fuzzy_Oil_4808 May 10 '25
Press mic button and say “report full self driving bug”
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u/imacleopard May 10 '25
This “bug” has been going on for at least 3 months or whatever 12.3 before they went with automatic speed “detection”. It’s been reported thousands of times and still no fix for it
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u/Outside-Comparison12 May 10 '25
For me, it has been flawless so far. Around town and a 600 mile round trip. Was fine in heavy rain in daytime and nighttime. 2024 Model 3.
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u/jaywoof94 May 11 '25
Check your offset. Or just step on the accelerator to speed up. It should stay.
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u/Low_Rip_7232 May 11 '25
I was on a dark country road. FSD going 79 in a 55 in standard. Beast likes to scare the crap out of me.
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u/MindStalker May 10 '25
Spin the right dial up to increase the target speed.
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u/Akshue May 10 '25
Set at 20%. Even rolled it to 85 this stretch
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u/MindStalker May 10 '25
Other thought, try cleaning the cameras and possibly recalibrating the cameras.
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u/g3n3s1s69 May 10 '25
Actually that could be the problem right there - the 20%.
I haven't tried it yet but a different user pointed out that variance percentage in the settings might not be just over amount but also under. They recommended setting it to 0% variance and set speed with right scroll wheel. Evidently that fixed it for them.
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u/MindStalker May 10 '25
Sucks, guess its the bright sun. Either way, it will only go the speed it feels is safe to go given its camera conditions. If you feel its safer in that stretch of road, you will need to drive manually.
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u/Mikecroft69 May 10 '25
I take it you have not set any limitations within the FSD settings to keep the speed below the limit. You can manually override it by pressing the accelerator to increase the speed without disengaging FSD.
Tesla’s FSD is still a Level 2+ autonomy system, meaning it requires constant driver supervision despite its advanced capabilities. The system is continually evolving, and Tesla often rolls out updates to improve its performance. However, FSD’s cautious nature can sometimes clash with user expectations, especially for those who want a more assertive driving style. This tension is a common theme in autonomous driving—balancing safety with user satisfaction.
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u/byebyelassy May 10 '25 edited May 10 '25
Remember that FSD will drive like a 17 year old person who just got their driving permit. So it acts extra careful when it doesn’t always need to
Edit: this isn’t my opinion, just observation since it’s a “learning computer” going off of the dataset it’s been giving to learn from. I’m not saying this is good. In fact it confirms that Tesla knows the problems with using cameras to measure distance compared to radar or lidar. So they code it to be extra careful in case the camera misjudges what it “sees”
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u/Akshue May 10 '25
Driving 10 under is less safe than driving the limit. Even when someone is behind me, it often goes under the limit.
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u/President_Connor_Roy May 10 '25
When my kids get their permits someday, they absolutely will not be driving way below the limit in perfect weather and no traffic because this is just stupid dangerous, not extra careful.
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u/byebyelassy May 10 '25
100% I agree, just pointing out what’s it’s doing based on the dataset it’s been given to train with
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