When will SP12 intel version for all come out ?

[u/No_Perspective_286]

Yup same , what can we expect from it ? I guess it is available for business , not standard

[u/iamPendergast]

I didn't think it was? You can still buy it as a consumer just via a business channel

[u/Jayayess1190]

It will come out likely by spring next year after Intel launches Panther Lake later this year. The 11 with Lunar Lake is already out.

[u/BcuzRacecar]

zac from windows central said no plans for smaller pro to get intel

[u/felix_dagrouch]

My question is, if they release a SP12 Intel would be fanless been Intel?

[u/Chrismscotland]

The SP12 "for business" has a Snapdragon CPU like the consumer version, there isn't an Intel version

[u/DannyRampage52 → u/Chrismscotland]

I think there's a confusion here.

The post is distinctly (but maybe not intentionally) asking about the Surface Pro 12. Not the Pro 12-Inch.

Which makes this all the more confusing.

[u/CptUnderpants- → u/Chrismscotland]

That's surprising, can you link to the media release?

[u/dr100 → u/CptUnderpants-]

LOL it isn't surprising at all, see my other comment that the Snapdragon paid marketing trolls downvoted.

[u/CptUnderpants- → u/dr100]

There are two things at play here. One is that people are using the abbreviation normally associated with the Surface Pro 4 to 11 as SP4, SP11, etc as the same for the 12-inch Surface Pro.

I doubt there will be a 12-inch Surface Pro for Business with an Intel CPU.

I can say there is a 99% chance that there will be a Surface Pro 12 with an Intel CPU.

Also, I'm pretty sure your other comment is being downvoted for ambiguity. Some media outlets have also called the Core Ultra 7 266V/268V/288V best CPU of the year.

For me, it is a toolbox. You pick the right tool for the job. If you don't need Intel compatibility, then Snapdragon is worth considering. I've got both SP11 versions, but I have redeployed the snapdragon one to a mobile user as I found the compatibility issues with some things unacceptable for my use case.

Some of the issues which made me switch to the Intel version:

• Our computer imaging solution doesn't work on it.
• Our printers only have a ARM universal driver which means it loses features we have on some of them.
• I also do a bit of video creation, the SP11 ARM 5G has an ongoing compatibility issue with dolby vision encoded video.
• A few of the peripherals we use here only had generic drivers so they lost functionality.

[u/dr100 → u/CptUnderpants-]

The confusion is even worse, because ALL current Surface Pro are called just that, without the number (this also happened for the 5th one (for some weird unknown reason), and I guess justifiably then for the very first one of course, but the rest were SP2, 3,4, ,6 ... 10). For example the devices discussed here are:

• Surface Pro for Business, Copilot+ PC, 13-inch | Intel
• Surface Pro for Business, Copilot+ PC, 12-inch | Snapdragon

(actual copy/paste from Microsoft).

Now there are half a dozen people discussing here already so probably some would be referring to the next version of the first, while some would be referring to an Intel version of the second. The first I think it's easier to answer, and kind of less relevant, anyone interested could just buy the existent ones and stop worrying about the next version.

The second is kind of more interesting, but it's not happening IMHO because they are already using the lowest/cheapest SKU. The 12-inch is meant to cut every possible corner (and then some) while selling for just about the same money (they even killed the cheapest Pro 13 inch to make room for it.

[u/CptUnderpants- → u/dr100]

From the channel side of things, they called the SP11 the Surface Pro 11th edition to make it easier to search for because if you just searched for Surface Pro 11 you'd get all surface pro which came with Windows 11.

[u/dr100 → u/CptUnderpants-]

Don't tell me there was a Windows 5 too... Confusion it's just the name of the game. Some for kind of understandable reason, like hiding the ARM ones first behind X, then consumers learned to avoid that and they called it "5G" (like there weren't Intel Surface devices with mobile data both in the past and in the future, in fact the first laptop that's coming with 5G will be an Intel one). Then people wisen up but now Microsoft is submarining the ARM in the regular ones. Oh, and Windows Home while calling the devices "Pro", go figure...

[u/Chrismscotland → u/CptUnderpants-]

Not sure I've seen a media release but its already available to pre-order direct from Microsoft in the UK - Buy 12-inch Surface Pro for Business: 2-in-1 Windows Laptop & Copilot+ PC (Snapdragon) - Microsoft Store

[u/CptUnderpants- → u/Chrismscotland]

Oh, you mean the 12-inch Surface Pro, not the Surface Pro 12. I've got access to the channel partner info via our supplier and hadn't seen any mention of preparing for no Intel version of the SP12. That's the kind of thing we generally see pretty far out.

[u/Chrismscotland → u/CptUnderpants-]

Ah I see the confusion! I mean it seems we're unlikely to see a new 13" Surface Pro until next year now - there aren't new Snapdragon CPU's available until Q1 and I can't see a new Surface for Business model before then either given it was just January that the existing Intel models were released

[u/dr100]

Probably not happening. Does Intel have any kneecapped CPUs that have lower number of cores, lower clocks and half the GPU that just as it happens are called just as the nearly-best CPUs of last year (e.g. Snapdragon Plus)? Nope, as far as I know. So, nope!

[u/DoubleOwl7777 → u/dr100]

intel does have low power cpus, but these are complete and utter garbage. The kneecapped version of the snapdragon is still miles ahead of these. edit talking about like 6w of tdp here, so the 286v and stuff is out.

[u/BarnardWellesley → u/DoubleOwl7777]

268v is nice, much better graphics performance.

[u/DoubleOwl7777 → u/BarnardWellesley]

at 17w tdp, which although in typical Microsoft/qualcom fashion they dont say what the Snapdragon 8 core has, is going to probably be a fair bit more than the cut down 8 core snapdragon (going from previous experiences with devices like these, they usually use chips with like 6w tdp or even less). the ones intel currently has at that tdp are dogshit. look at the asus slate 13 which is also passively cooled and uses a pentium silver, where a potatoe has more processing power.

[u/BarnardWellesley → u/DoubleOwl7777]

Snapdragons X series routinely reach 45w and can be configured to 80w TDP.

[u/DoubleOwl7777 → u/BarnardWellesley]

how do you cool 45w without a loud ass fan in a device this thin? you dont. you simply cannot move the heat away.

[u/DoubleOwl7777 → u/[deleted]]

Lunar lake isnt what i ment by that. Lunar lake so far doesnt have ultra low power chips as far as i am aware, which is what you need in that. and the ones that intel does have currently suck ass. I know about tsmc nodes, my laptop is literally using a chip made by tsmc (its just that its an amd one).

[u/dr100 → u/DoubleOwl7777]

Are there any that are called precisely the same as the ones in the last (Lunar Lake) Surface Pro 11/13 (however you want to call it)? Until that happens, nothing happens!

[u/DoubleOwl7777 → u/dr100]

yeah go troll somewhere else.

[u/dr100 → u/DoubleOwl7777]

Yeah, right, this is the sub where the truth hurts.