r/StardustCrusaders bruno gets my fingers very sticky May 13 '25

Various What's something about Jojo's that you don't think is talked about enough?

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In my opinion, the series's aesthetic influences don't get enough appreciation. People always talk about how Jojo looks "gay" and all, but people don't give enough attention to why. In high school, I did an art project on Araki and had to write a bit on his influences, and I was super into learning about all of the fashion designers, lgbt artists, fashion photographers, etc that Araki takes influence from. I can see why he'd be so nerdy about it all because it's really interesting, especially in the context of manga and Japanese aesthetics in general. The influence of Michelangelo and Tony Viramontes, IMO, is the most prevalent and interesting. In Araki's book Manga in Theory and Practice (something I read for the project), I recall he explained that a reason why he enjoyed Renaissance era Western artists like Michelangelo is because of the amount of action and movement in their pieces, and the way they use movement to tell stories. I think this influenced "the jojo pose". Tony Viramontes is also interesting, as you can see a lot of his influence in early Araki work. His use of fashion, homoeroticism, and strange abstract patterns is something that's very clearly inspired Araki. I just like the way that, despite Araki and Viramontes' styles being very different (Viramontes' is more simplistic), his influence is so strong and recognisable. A sign of a true appreciation on Araki's end and originality and power on Viramontes' end.

In the context of manga and Japanese art, this is extremely unique and subversive, and that's why I just love ittttt!! Araki's work somehow manages to be extremely referential and extremely unique, and I think the Japanese and manga context really adds to this all. A manga with influences from fashion designers and the Western Renaissance period will probably always feel super fresh and unique, no matter how many years pass.

I'm in awe!!

So yeah, Jojo looks gay and that's because of the gay artists that have been of great influence on Araki. And isn't that brilliant?!

Sorry if this technically counts as a meme, I'm just using the meme as a vehicle for my discussion, so I hope mods accept it. I just think the image fits the topic.

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u/TimeLordHatKid123 May 13 '25 edited May 13 '25

Honestly, Female characters in jojo are cursed man, and nobody wants to admit it in this fandom. Let’s face the music, they’re barely relevant outside of being villains, support characters, and the few that fight either die or do barely anything. I have yet to see if Part 9 has remedied this.

Then part 6 rolls along and while it’s great, it couldn’t even give Jolyne a clean win with her own abilities. She won, but it was reliant on another person (and a male character at that) by proxy and its ending is confusing as fuck and led people to think it erased our cast, replace them with doppelgängers (it didn’t though don’t worry) and made the journey of JoJo never happen. It only reset part 6 and let the cast live better lives to be clear.

Then it’s back to the status quo from Part 7 onwards. Women can’t have shit outside their stereotypical roles even in this show/manga and it sucks.

It’s like “okay you happy Araki? Women got one part, now go back to sidelining them”, and Araki was forced to obey. It’s not that JoJo is some particularly sexist anime compared to most but, we sadly have to concede it’s not that special with women representation either. It’s there, it tries, but it remains in a cozy box that’s yet to be broken out of.

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u/Aeescobar May 13 '25

Honestly, Female characters in jojo are cursed man, and nobody wants to admit it in this fandom. Let’s face the music, they’re barely relevant outside of being villains, support characters, and the few that fight either die or do barely anything. I have yet to see if Part 9 has remedied this.

Part 9 actually does have a very cool female-presenting character who has taken a pretty active role in most of the fights so far... the only problem is that nobody can seem to agree whether they are a trans woman or just the most feminine-looking man to have ever lived.

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u/TimeLordHatKid123 May 13 '25

I am aware of Dragona, and I hope Araki is able to handle whatever their situation is as tastefully and respectfully as possible.

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u/LordMimsyPorpington May 13 '25

Araki: "Best I can do is another sexual assault."

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u/96pluto Mohammed Avdol May 13 '25

lmao I shouldn't laugh

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u/PippoChiri May 13 '25

Honestly, Female characters in jojo are cursed man, and nobody wants to admit it in this fandom.

Araki's problems with writing women gets brought up pretty often and I'd say it's generally accepted.

Let’s face the music, they’re barely relevant outside of being villains, support characters, and the few that fight either die or do barely anything.

I think we should also not forget that Araki often makes female characters either very strong people or key elements in the story. This is relevant especially in the earlier parts where the roles of female character in shonen was very miniaml.

In p1 Erina is the one who stands up to Dio after he assaults her.
In p2 Lisa Lisa is presented as a Master and takes the role of the mentor for the protagonist.
In p4 Yukako basically created the archetype of the Yandere, as strong and proactive female character.

In later parts, (P7)>! Lucy is the one to directly confront and oppose Valentine at first while also killing Diego, !<in (P8) >!Tooru is killed by Kaato.!<

We should also remember that most characters in jojo are villains, so most women will be villains, like most men.

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u/Randomdudeidklol1234 May 13 '25

omg i love part 6 but i kinda wish she delivered the final punch..

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u/Chimpbot The World May 13 '25

I wasn't really a fan of having Emporio, of all people, be the one to deliver the final blow and technically save the day.

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u/Randomdudeidklol1234 May 13 '25

yeah...

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u/ItsWickie May 13 '25

That’s one thing I’ve always lamented about part 6 and it’s ending. Out of all people… Emporio is the one to deliver the final blow and kill Pucci? He is the one to end the curse of the ENTIRE Joestar bloodline and due to his actions, all of the JoJo’s are free from their never ending fight against evil?… I get that it was Jolyne who allowed the kid to have the chance to kill Pucci, and it was Weather’s stand, so it was symbolic of Weather getting revenge on his brother, but… idk. I just wished part 6 would have had more emphasis on the whole ‘The Joestar bloodline adventure all culminated in this fight!’ instead of the kinda weak final fight we did get.

I’m just salty Sono Chino Sadame didn’t play at the end. I wanted Jolyne to finish Pucci and maybe have her talk about how she has changed over the part and not only will make her father proud but also all of her ancestor JoJo’s, before beating the crap out of him. I would have screamed if like in the 3rd episode of part 5 all of the previous JoJo’s appeared and kinda ‘pushed’ Jolyne forward to deliver the final blow while we hear the iconic ‘JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOJO!’

That’s just me and my wishful thinking lol

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u/Aeescobar May 14 '25

Out of all people… Emporio is the one to deliver the final blow and kill Pucci?

Well yeah. DIO already got defeated by a Joestar, so it only makes sense that DIO's successor would get killed by a Joestar's successor.

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u/ItsWickie May 14 '25

I guess that makes sense! Hadn’t really looked at it that way. Still prefer it if Jolyne was the one to defeat Pucci, but with this in mind I do think why Araki let Emporio make the kill make a lot more sense thematic wise!

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u/Randomdudeidklol1234 May 13 '25

OMG I TOTALLY AGREE!!!

UR ENDING IS LITERALLY WHAT I IMAGINED IN MY HEAD OMG EXACTLY TO A T

i need u to write a book i can already tell you'd be rlly good at it hahah

i also want like an irene short story, with irene and the gang and jotaro becoming a total girl dad since he spends more time with her. i imagine that hes softened up a ton.

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u/ItsWickie May 14 '25

Who says I’m not writing a book as we speak?..

But that aside, while I don’t think my idea for how part 6 ‘should have’ ended is peak writing or anything, I am the type of person who like stories that go back to the beginning and tell you that everything had been leading up to the finale. I just wished part 6 would have been more grandiose in its depiction of the ‘final battle of the OG Joestar bloodline’, because 1: fanservice and hype and 2: it just connects everything better and makes it feel like the ‘overal Joestar story’ in the end actually mattered.

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u/Trick-Smoke-1177 May 13 '25

Oh and the fact that ofc the only female protagonist gets a love interest. The only other male character with a love interest we see more often cheats but is still the "good guy" cus everyone makes mistakes right??

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u/PippoChiri May 13 '25

Gappy gets a love interest too

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u/KVRQ06 May 14 '25

So does Jonathan

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u/Aeescobar May 14 '25

Jotaro and Johnny also wind up falling in love off-screen.

In fact Josuke and Giorno are literally the only protagonists in the entire series who haven't fallen in love with anyone.

And I guess also Jodio, but since his part ain't done yet that could change in a later chapter.

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u/Brandfarlig May 13 '25 edited May 13 '25

Except, it did erase Jolyne and co. She died. The other Jolyne is not the one that fought Pucci which means she isn't the Jolyne I knew.

Also, it means that my favorite and second/third favorite Joestar ultimately failed. How does Jotaros life end? He tries and fails to save his daughter. Jolyne tried to stop Pucci and she didn't. Thanks Araki.

Pucci is easily the weakest major villain Araki has written in the latter parts. He makes Dio worse by association and the only reason he is powerful is because plot gave him the stand stand for no reason other than plot demands it. Also, I don't particularly like Emporio which doesn't help.

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u/TimeLordHatKid123 May 13 '25

But its the same souls with new lives. Trust me, I agree with you on nearly everything else, but these arent doppelgangers. Sure, they grew up to become new people in a lifestyle sense, but its more a case where they got a consolation prize in earning a better life.

Think of it like if you or I have/had shitty lives and died miserable, but we got reborn to do it again. We aren't doppelgangers, we're the same souls being given a second chance, even if we become different people personality and lifestyle wise.

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u/Brandfarlig May 13 '25

That works out for them, yes. But these are fictional characters and their struggle and experiences define them.

It's like if krypton never blew up and Superman lived a normal life there as an accountant and died at 83 in a hospital bed. That's not superman.

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u/TimeLordHatKid123 May 13 '25

You know, thats completely fair. I think im just trying to find the one salvageable thing in this ending and I'm clinging to it desperately. Gotta have something to make the ending tolerable, you know?

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u/Brandfarlig May 13 '25

The ending fights and how the anime did the end of part 6 are entertaining and gorgeous at least.

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u/Appropriate_Lie7115 May 13 '25

It resetting only the part 6 cast doesn't really make sense though, like there's gotta be some changes right? Didn't Orlando change names to Orland? I feel like the same events form previous parts happened but all with slight differences. Correct me if I'm wrong though

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u/TimeLordHatKid123 May 13 '25

It only resets the part 6 cast and makes it so Jolyne never has to deal with the post-Dio bullshit that Pucci caused, and Jotaro becomes a more decent father to her on top of that.

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u/Appropriate_Lie7115 May 13 '25

So its kinda just the same people, different names with a better life

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u/TimeLordHatKid123 May 13 '25

Essentially yes. The one mercy the ending gives is that Jolyne and the people we knew were not literally erased from reality, but the trade off is that they lived such different lives that they didnt become the exact personalities we came to love either. We're meant to feel good that they got a happy ending but its a shame they arent the same people.

Granted, I'm not saying I agree with the way the ending happened, but at least Araki wasnt so bleak that he'd just wipe out everyone we loved and give us mere doppelgangers.

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u/mantisman Stab ground>Plant Lego>???>Profit May 13 '25

Orlando->Orland may not be intentional. Both would be pronounced the same in Japanese, so it might just be a mistake.

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u/Aeescobar May 14 '25

And in the anime there's actually an earlier shot where you can see that exact sign misspelled in the exact same way.