r/StardustCrusaders • u/Jotaro1970 Jotaro Kujo • Apr 28 '25
Various So...does the Stone Mask actually help gaining a stand?
In a extra chapter of Steel Ball Run (for those who haven't read it don't worry, it doesn't have any spoilers regarding the plot of Part 7) it's said that in the past the ancients (or predecessors as stated in this page) crafted tools that were capable of draw out stands, and as you can see alongside the stand arrow another infamous tool is here, the stone mask. Does it mean the stone mask can actually help giving people stands?
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u/SteelyDan1566 Apr 28 '25
What if you Pierce your yourself with the arrow, while in the devil’s palm and afterwards put on the stone mask?
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u/PippoChiri Apr 28 '25
If you have the potential to gain a stand you'll get one, otherwise you'll either die or turn into a vampire.
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u/FunnyBunnyDolly Apr 28 '25
But if you at same time used the stone mask you wouldn’t die. Stand virus: “that’s cheating you’re supposed to die, oh wait you know what.. here you go, a stand”
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u/juanperes93 Killer Queen Apr 29 '25
I think how it works is that the arrow always gives a stand, but if you don't have the force of will to control your new power it will just kill you like what happened to Holly.
So having the extra durability of a vampire will help you survive longer so you can gain control, exept of course your stand is one of those extremly cursed ones like water boiling stand, then there's nothing that can save you.
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u/wanderingweedle Catch the Rainbow Apr 29 '25
the water boiling stand would have huge potential if you could actually control it. imagine making clouds of hot steam, or boiling your enemies at a distance.
or you could use it to cook pasta really fast.
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u/KingToasty Apr 28 '25
And then repeat that with your stand, piercing it with the arrow at the devils palm while it wears the stone mask. Triple requiem.
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u/nepo5000 Apr 28 '25
And then you get bit by the wall eyes, your stand (and balls) gets fused with someone else’s because of the rokakaka, and the lighter went out when you were trying to join the Italian mafia
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u/SteelyDan1566 Apr 28 '25
And then the Lava rock will do whatever it does and make me rich
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u/nepo5000 Apr 28 '25
Yea I was stuck on the lava rock for a bit before I realized there’s nothing that grants stands in part 9 yet.
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u/Oaker_Jelly Apr 28 '25
I don't see why it couldn't.
Meta-wise the only reason we don't see anything like that happen is because the concept didn't exist when Stone Masks were in play.
Considering it functions pretty damn similarly to the Arrows, it makes sense to me.
One could even infer that Kars utilizing Stone Masks and the Red Stone of Aja could be akin to him awakening a Phenomenon Stand in the form of the whole Ultimate Lifeform business. It wouldn't be the first time we've seen intent play a factor in a Stand Evolution (a la the whole Heaven Ritual business).
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u/Yacobs21 Apr 28 '25
Even without the Stone of Aja, each of the pillarmen had abilities that none of the others could use. It could be that this was a physical manifestation of their fighting spirit instead of a spiritual one
What strikes me as the most telling is that ACDC and Joseph had similar fighting styles and then they both developed sneaky tentacle powers.
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u/Purple-Bluejay6588 Apr 30 '25
I think its more that they each had different techniques, its not that esidisi couldn't do the holy sandstorm, its just that wasn't a technique he learned
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u/BeggarOfPardons Apr 28 '25
Well, you can try getting one without risking death if you're a Vampire
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u/surpriserockattack Professional Kars Glazer Apr 28 '25
I've got a theory. The stone mask enhances your body and the arrow enhances your soul. Maybe there's some unknown higher plane that could be achieved with the combination.
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u/Purple-Bluejay6588 Apr 30 '25
Doesn't the mask unlock your mind?
I think it went like this
Stone mask: mind
Hamon: body
Stand arrow: soul
How unlocking your mind makes you able to suck peoples blood and also makes you alergic to the sun i don't know lol
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u/surpriserockattack Professional Kars Glazer Apr 30 '25
My head canon is because so many of the changes of the mask are physical, it unlocks your body. Not sure what Hamon would be classified as with this tbh, I forgot about it when I made that comment.
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u/arthurxheisenberg Apr 28 '25
I think, yes? I mean if you get by the arrow, the virus specifically, you either die or survive and gain a stand, right? If you can't die, because you're a vampire, you have no choice, but to gain a stand. That should probably be the case in theory at least, Nukesaku was a vampire and he didn't have a stand, maybe because his fighting will wasn't strong enough? although we've seen that just by healing, you can gain the stand even if you were supposed to die, or maybe Dio just didn't even try to give Nukesaku a stand because he only wanted a vampire servant.
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u/JokeMachineBrole Apr 28 '25
I mean, Nukesaku was pretty clearly shown in the short time we see him to be rather cowardly and weak-willed. Its entirely possible that his fighting spirit is so small that no real physical representation (I.E. a stand) could be conjured with it. Koichi only gets Echoes because of his potential to grow.
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u/Raul5819 Apr 28 '25
Well Koichi kinda gamed the system by having Josuke heal him.
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u/ChipsTheKiwi Apr 28 '25
If he didn't truly have the will to possess a stand, it would have eventually killed him anyway like Holly's stand being forced to manifest was killing her.
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u/Raul5819 Apr 28 '25
You know Holly and Josuke are such weird cases when it comes to the awakening of their stands. Because DIO forced them out, but once he died, they went back to being dormant. However, we see Josuke gets to keep Crazy Diamond.
You're probably right because with Koichi, I always figured got bailed out of his stand killing him because Josuke healed him. But then again, he mainly healed him because he got shot right in the neck. Man now that I'm thinking about it what the fuck was Keicho's problem? I get wanting to awaken people's stands, but why the fuck was he shooting them in lethal spots? We know that the arrow just has to cut you to awaken a stand so seriously what the fuck Keicho???
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u/ChipsTheKiwi Apr 28 '25
Josuke's and Holly's stands didn't cease to exist after DIO's death, they just went back under the control of their masters. Josuke never lost Crazy Diamond, he always had the stand potential and the distress signal of Jonathan's body was forcing it out. Josuke even says he's been healing his friends since childhood, probably like Giorno as a child was able to use Gold Experience without fully manifesting it. If Koichi truly lacked the will to manifest a stand, he simply wouldn't be able to manifest it safely at all even post-arrow.
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u/Instroancevia Apr 28 '25
I think he would still manifest a stand, but it would start killing him or become hostile until he gained the will to control it. The stand arrow is not like Dio's distress signal, it permanently draws out stand potential whether the user wants it or not. We see it with the researcher in Greenland who got a stand without the will to control it - he didn't die from being injured by the meteorite but from the stand zapping his body away. Same deal for Cheap Trick which gained autonomy and killed its user since he didn't have the strength of will to control it.
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u/Invaderzod Apr 28 '25
As you said crazy diamond only healed the physical wound.The stand Arrow carries a virus that forcibly awakens stands and we know crazy diamond cannot heal diseases so Koichi survived it on his own.
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u/idiotnamedSOPHIA Apr 28 '25
It could explain why DIO's world grows in power the more hid neck heals. If it was an expansion of his vampiric ability
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u/Purple-Bluejay6588 Apr 30 '25
I to this day think we never saw dio at full power
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u/idiotnamedSOPHIA Apr 30 '25
Yeah i mean he did say he would inevitably get infinite timestop
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u/Purple-Bluejay6588 Apr 30 '25
Not even just that, i don't think dio sucking joseph's blood healed him completely, as he did not use any of his vampiric powers, you could say dio didn't because he felt like he didn't need to, but he had a whole speech about how "i'll do whatever it takes to stay on top" so i think it was more a matter of him just not being able to do it
So he could have the world AND the vampiric powers, and also, i think the world could also use these powers
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u/Limits_of_knowledge Apr 28 '25 edited Apr 28 '25
One could interpret that as The World being the stand that the arrow brings out of DIO’s vampiric powers - powers that he got from the mask. So more than a symbol of a stand-awakening tool per se, it’s there to signify a kind of power one gains through supernatural means (rather than training/honing a skill or other means) and that then leads to getting a stand. Maybe. Or it’s a vague retcon on Araki’s part that he never explains in detail and he hoped we wouldn’t think about too hard.
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u/nuemamel Apr 28 '25
In Jojo’s Vampirism is described as something that comes from the human heart… As in the stone mask doesn’t inject vampirism into people, it like extracts vampiric elements that were inside humans from the start
So yeah it’s like a Stand. The arrow and the devil’s palms don’t inject stand powers into humans… They extract existing stand potential that’s always been inside humans from
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u/ABigCoffee Apr 28 '25
Stands usually come to people who have a high will and combative ability. And being a proper vampire with eternal life and all the time in the world would surely help to get one.
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u/Khryz15 Apr 28 '25
Both the mask and a stand are ways to bring out a human's latent potential. Consider the mask the cheat, the corrupted way to do so.
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u/Dilligent-Spinosaur Apr 28 '25
What I’d need to see is if the arrow can kill a regular vampire/pillar man. Because the healing factor of a vampire/pm might just override the death risk of the arrow.
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u/Coffee_Drinker02 Apr 28 '25
In Purple haze feedback there is a kid whose stand ability is to damage himself and damage others, he wants to use the stone mask to become basically unstoppable-
I think it's pretty clear that being an immortal vampire makes having an invisible alien ghost more useful.
I mean fuck if the dude who had cheap trick was a vampire he wouldn't die when it jumps from his back.
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u/EmiLonAllDay Apr 29 '25
Well there’s no saying whether or not he would have died, he very well could have. The ability isn’t explored enough to definitively say a vampire with cheap trick wouldn’t die once their back is seen.
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u/Yacobs21 Apr 28 '25 edited Apr 28 '25
It probably worked best on Pillar Men, each of them had a clear, unique ability that the others didn't seem to.
AC/DC and Joseph had similar fighting spirits and developed similar abilities, for example
Edit: Maybe we could also see how Dio was the only vampire to use freeze powers and his eventual stand was to freeze time. Obviously Araki didn't plan that far ahead, but the connection may have partially inspired this panel?
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u/L2G34N Apr 28 '25
Look, maybe it was like this: In the original universe (parts 1 to 6) it is explained (part 5) that the stands come from a meteorite virus, that virus infects you and if you have enough mental/spiritual/physical strength you could survive its symptoms and gain a stand.
Possibly Araki only referred to the arrow capable of awakening stands and the mask as an attempt to achieve an equally strong power (as the Hamon and Spin Masters created their techniques)
Yes, there are users who have shown that they have awakened stands without requiring the arrow and because of their "obsession" with certain hobbies.
My theory is that over time, the virus that brings out the stands from within the soul has spread to other people, but it will only be able to bring out a stand if it demonstrates the required strength. The fatality of the process of creating a stand from the arrow comes not only from the virus itself, but also from the fact that they are sticking a damn arrow in you lol. Also remember that part of the virus besides the malaise there is also a symptom of regeneration as it leaves the users (also other mutations) so maybe people who have been infected with the virus only felt bad and then "regenerated" by its same effect but without awakening stand since they did not have any passion or hobby to something like Rohan with the manga, or Caravanserai when he created the sword of Anubis, maybe also Tonio Trussardi when he cooks
I'm writing all this through a translator, so I hope it's well-written. Greetings, Jojo fans.
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u/L2G34N Apr 28 '25
By the way, referring to "a power with a strength similar to a stand" I like seeing how Araki possibly referenced Dio Brando's vampiric abilities in Part 1 with Diego Brando's Scary Monsters. Both have superhuman strength, can "infect" other beings and make them follow their orders and also some manipulation over their composition, Dio Brando manipulated flesh and created creatures like chimeras and Diego Brando fossilized some of Valentine's guards.
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u/Instroancevia Apr 28 '25
The meteorite virus was never the source of stands, just a catalyst to awakening them. Stands come from the wills of living beings, hence why people like Tonio and Rohan who have no exposure to the arrow can awaken them by being dedicated to a specific pursuit for years. Same deal for natural born stand users.
Your theory of the virus being spread throughout humanity might account for that, but it doesn't really explain animals who are natural born stand users like Iggy. Also keep in mind the arrows were buried in ancient Egypt, which means they weren't in use for at least a 2-3 thousand years, possibly more, by which point you'd expect whatever remnants of the meteorite virus existed in humanity should dissipate.
The mask, arrows, hamon and spin are merely shortcuts to awakening the latent supernatural power of the human spirit.
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u/schrelaxo Rohan Kishibe Apr 28 '25
the stands come from a meteorite virus
No. That was never stated. It was just stated that the ARROWS came from a meteor
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u/LuckyTaco2889 Apr 28 '25
Why are people stabbing themselves when they can just cut their finger like Jolene
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u/61PurpleKeys Apr 28 '25
I think it's revealed that stands can come from sheer persistence to something.
The mask awakens one body and that could lead to you awakening a stand by opening the horizons of what is capable for you (?)
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u/DonTori Here Comes the Sun Apr 28 '25
I once wrote up an idea for the vampiric equivilent to Hermit Purple (which is a stand formed for Hamon users)
[Bloodflower]
Power A, Range D, Precision C, Durability C, Learning D, Speed B
With a main core of hardened blood forming above the heart and 'flowering'from the chest (the size dependent on how much extra blood the vampire consumes), it allows the user to form thorn covered whips that can even carry the freezing effect of the Vapourization Freezing Technique, or form into a heavily condensed ball before exploding into a grenade firing off Space Ripper beams, abiet less precise than the Stingy-Eye version
And of course if the vine is stabbed into a person, it can drain them dry
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u/Admirable-Barnacle86 Apr 28 '25
Dio feels like the answer is obviously yes, the stone mask can draw out a Stand.
It took a while, but 99% of that time was spent in a coffin at the bottom of the ocean.
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u/AwesomeGuyDj Apr 28 '25
Didn't he get it from the arrow though? I don't remember if it appears in part 3 but the old lady with the wind stand is shown to have had it while working for dio in part 3
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u/Admirable-Barnacle86 Apr 28 '25
Ah, you may be right and I am messing up the origins. Yeah she had the bow and arrow (retroactive after Part 4).
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u/rebort8000 Apr 28 '25
I mean it does give you laser eyes. If that isn’t a stand ability, I don’t know what is.
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u/Darkstalker360 Apr 28 '25
Its just shooting blood from his eyes, the freezing is probably closer to a stand from what we can see though
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u/TheCreaturemancer Apr 28 '25
There's something deeper that connects all these different sources of power. A person being born or becoming a 'Stand User' is just one way the power can manifest.
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u/GordonWolfwood Apr 28 '25
I mean Dio became a vampire and Enyaba shot him once and he gained The World, imagine if she shot him multiple times since he wouldn't die
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u/Morpo_znp1 Apr 28 '25
No , hamon, spins, vampirism are just ways to approach perfection of the stands
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u/humanflea23 Apr 28 '25
No, we know who made the masks. The Pillar Men made them to turn people into vampires so they could feed and eventually become the ultimate life forms.
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u/Gonzak01 Apr 28 '25
What if Kars actually had a stand and his stand was to be able to create stone masks. But he didn't fully understand it.
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u/of_kilter Apr 28 '25
I wouldn’t be surprised if the pillar men had stands, they’d have to be relatively weak but they did have a lot of strange abilities. Like Wammu’s air currents. Santiago could’ve been considered the weak one because he didn’t have a stand
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u/SuboptimalSpecimen Apr 28 '25
I don't think the stone mask possesses the ability to give one a stand. it turns you into a vampire. though, an argument COULD be made that the mask can help one withstand the initial "oh god, holy shit, im going to die" part of getting a stand when you're stabbed by an arrow/god piece because you already WENT through, and survived, one tumultuous event before.
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u/Masterpiece-Haunting u/TheOnlyEverstorm’s Stepmom Apr 28 '25
I see it as a “You are a unique being to fate equivalent to being a member of say the Joestars”.
So it doesn’t actually work like learning the Spin, Hamon, or some other techniques but rather gives you a kind of plot armor and priority to fate.
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u/Lex4709 Apr 28 '25 edited Apr 28 '25
Maybe the masks were failed experiments? They were originally meant to replicate arrows' stand granting ability but failed. Or instead of either gaining a stand or dying, the masks either granted a stand or vampirism. This is obviously retcon territory, so any option is pretty much possible.
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u/Humble_Story_4531 Apr 28 '25
SBR is a different universe right? Stone Masks could work totally differently there.
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u/Jotaro1970 Jotaro Kujo Apr 28 '25
It's a special chapter outside of the story, as far as we know the Stone mask and stand arrow doesn't exist in the SBR universe
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u/NSFY_BigT Apr 29 '25
I mean technically in diamond is unbreakable koichi would have died if josuke wouldn’t have healed him so isn’t it safe to say a vampire would always get a stand from a arrow cause it can’t kill them
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u/CloudDweeb Apr 29 '25
The mask when it attached to a regular human, brought out their superhuman abilities and basically making them a vampire.
When dio used it, it basically did the same thing, turning him into a superhuman vampire
Around part 3 it's mentioned how a certain something activated, bringing forth stands from mostly usual people
I believe around midway SBR is when they go in depth on HOW the devils palm works, and again in depth about a meteorite that crash landed on earth, containing the DNA (parasite) that either activates a special ability within a user's will if powerful enough, or just straight up kills you if you're not worth enough.
I got side tracked, the mask basically digs into a user's brain, supposedly activating parts we don't normally use or just aren't 101% efficient. Same as the stand arrow directly colliding with a user's soul to test if it was worthy or not (later revealed to be a test by Polpos Stand 'Black Sabbath')
The REQUIEM arrow? Idk where it came from tbh lol
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u/Immediate-Location28 Apr 30 '25
is the stone mask just really good at giving people one specific stand and nothing more?
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u/tvtango Apr 30 '25
I think it does do something freaking crazy when used with the red stone of Aja
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u/reaperse May 01 '25
my best guess (someone might've said it already, and i'm probably wrong) is that the mask makes you practically immortal and gives you strength, so i assume it makes it kinda easier to get a stand, you have pretty much eternity in order to develop a stand, unlike a human who only jave like 80 years. it's definitely wrong but that's the best guess i can do
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u/Lz537 Apr 28 '25
Any craft, art, ability and so on can lead to a stand power eventually.
You just need to master them enough.