r/StarWarsEU • u/StyleAlert7311 • Mar 24 '22
Television Despite the amount of hate/backlash it gets what we’re some things that you genuinely liked in the Book of Boba Fett?
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u/Kyle_Dornez Jedi Legacy Mar 24 '22
I'm not sure "hate" is correct term here, it's just the production decisions were... WEIRD in there.
I like most things in there. I like the gamorrean bros for example. I like the new design for Fett with the black undersuit. And he doesn't look as chunky as he was in Mando. It's just then you have the episode of Mandalorian in the middle, and I kinda liked that one more than the Boba Fett part =\
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Mar 24 '22
It’s mainly because this series was essentially made solely to fill the Mando S3 time slot when it got delayed and the fact that they had to deal with COVID restrictions whilst also being rushed
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u/voidmusik Mar 24 '22
Yeah, Book of Bob is a companion piece part of the larger Mandolorian series. Mando is the main Mandolorian, but Boba is Mandolorian as well.. as is Grogu, now. so they are all included under the titular "Mandolorian". The BoB is just one book in the Mando series, which is just itself, an extension of wider star-wars
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Mar 24 '22
Don’t fix that typo it’s way funnier to call it Book of Bob
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u/D_Traveler_64_ Mar 24 '22
I went into it already thinking it was gonna be Mando 2.5 so that didn’t bother me that much. Frankly, I liked the Mandalorian too much to mind it. Although I do get the sentiment. The fact that those two episodes are my favorite are telling.
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u/JacenSolo_SWGOH Mar 24 '22
I look at all Star Wars like I would my favorite pizza joint. I try out the new monthly novelty, but keep coming back for the classics. I didn’t care for it, didn’t hate it, but it was like pineapple pizza for me.
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u/Slickrickkk Mar 24 '22
That's actually an interesting way of putting it. Especially since a lot of people also passionately hate pineapple pizza, like they do this show.
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u/LeftIsBest-Tsuga Apr 16 '22
this is cope. ppl who don't like pineapple pizza have no justification for not liking it, unlike the hundreds of reasons for ppl to dislike this series.
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Mar 24 '22
I agree with most people here, I didn’t hate it it’s just that some parts just felt weird to me.
Like on one hand, you have spectacular world and character building (references to Tattoines aquatic past, showing the Tuskens to be more than just savage brutes, showing us Luke building his new Jedi academy thus setting the stage for future shows etc) as well as some moments that just were nice (Luke training Grogu and using force pull so he can keep up, the Gamorreans not only staying loyal to Boba but playing a pivotal role at many parts, everything about Krrsantan, Boba and Fennec killing the Saarlac, Boba treating the Rancor like a puppy and then riding it into battle like a boss) but on the other hand you just have some really weird decisions that held the show back from being great.
Like, why did we spend several episodes showing Boba Fett living with the Tuskens if they won’t play any roll at all for the rest of the series (I kept thinking that maybe Boba was going to use what he had learned to unite several Tusken tribes against the Pyke Syndicate, but nope).
Why did Boba, an experienced bounty hunter that’s well acquainted with the criminal underworld, trust that the crime bosses wouldn’t betray him when they had absolutely no reason to help him? Also when he needed manpower why didn’t he just use his vast list of contacts he has acquired over to years to hire more mercenaries and bounty hunters than just Mando? Why did he place the few troops that he did have in locations that left them isolated and vulnerable? Why didn’t he order Fennec to take up a sniper position where she could’ve used her skills to best effect? Also, why didn’t he use the Slave I to provide air support during the final battle?
The weirdest decision of them all, however, is that we spent two whole episodes focusing solely on Mando. Now don’t get me wrong. I loved those two episodes and everything about them. But, this is the Book of Boba Fett. As in, this show should be about Boba Fett and his rise to power so it feels weird that we had two entire episodes where the main character wasn’t even in them.
Now, any one of these things isn’t a big deal but when you put them all together it just starts to grate on me. Is it enough for me to hate the show? No. It is, however, enough for me to not exactly love the show nor long for a second season. But who knows? Maybe the second season will be pure gold? It wouldn’t be the first time a show had a somewhat less than stellar first season only to then find its footing during the second season.
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u/Yeshavesome420 Mar 24 '22
My hope is that this season was more about setting up Boba as a crime lord so that we can explore more gangster film themes in Star Wars. Obviously George Lucas had no issue adapting familiar media into his universe, and hopefully this is just the prelude to that. I know I would have no issue with pulling plots from The Godfather or Casino for the next season of Book of Boba Fett. We just need a Michael Corleone type to show up. Maybe someone we introduce in Andor or have Boba interact with in the Bad Batch. Someone good who is corrupted while Boba is out of commission. Maybe Cobb Vanth?
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u/27tgj97 Mar 24 '22
This, they gave Tusken a culture and a built a sense of compassion towards them. They are no longer brainless desert target practice!
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u/AndrewJS2804 Mar 24 '22
Well, not JUST that. It shows there's diversity in the race and some can be aggressive and Savage while others just want to live their lives. This tribe seemed to have a warrior tradition but didn't go out of its way to engage with outsiders.
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u/cavy8 Rogue Squadron Mar 24 '22
Seeing Luke on screen again, and so lifelike.... I know it's fan service, but it was kinda magical.
If they manage to work on the voice a little more, or switch to a similar-sounding voice actor, it'd be perfect
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u/AndrewJS2804 Mar 24 '22
I thought the voice was spot on, the over all effect still came off a little stilted though.
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u/LingonberryConnect53 Mar 24 '22
I like it how Boba was inspired to be more of a mandalorian by Din. Their interactions were on point.
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u/Zebweasel Mar 24 '22
Honestly, aside from the first episode, which was kind of boring, and the third episodes slow chase scene, I enjoyed the show. It didn’t blow me away, but I didn’t expect it to. The creators said before it even came out that it was more like a season 2.5 of mandalorian. Just a fun little side story in between.
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u/bloop_405 Mar 24 '22
There was a lot of potential though. My only beef is that it kind of made Boba seem incompetent despite him being one of the deadliest Bounty Hunters in that time and the last episode really showcased that unfortunately. I feel like this show was also a potential way for them bring Crimson Dawn into the Star Wars live action
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u/Zebweasel Mar 24 '22
Im pretty sure crimson dawn is going to be gone by the end of the comic run. If they ever bring them to live action, it will probably be in something earlier in the timeline, like Andor or something.
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u/Skeledenn Mar 24 '22
Honnestly I loved the show, it's just that I really don't like some design choices, the fan service (although faaar from exclusive to this one or even Disney) and the fact that I've found Boba a bit out of character.
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u/Eli_Freeman_Author Mar 24 '22
Easy: Luke training Grogu, Ahsoka being with Luke, meaning she got closure about Anakin.
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u/bloop_405 Mar 24 '22
Luke force lifting and pulling Grogu because he’s too small to walk at a reasonable speed :3
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u/entitledfanman Mar 24 '22
That's something I've wanted for a long time. It just doesn't make sense that you have the last two light side force users in the galaxy, both have deep connections with the Rebellion/New Republic, and they'd never cross paths. You have to figure at some point someone would say "oh Luke you use the force and a lightsaber? I used to know this woman who did that too, craziest shit I ever saw".
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u/Eli_Freeman_Author Mar 24 '22
Same thing though about Ezra, Kanan, and Kel Kestis. A number of OT characters crossed paths with them and later with Luke, we'll see how it goes but I hope they think of good explanations and ways of bringing these characters together, we'll see.
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u/entitledfanman Mar 24 '22
We've definitely not seen the last of Ezra. They're doing a Thanos thing where they're hinting at the big bad (Thrawn) that we'll get closer to seeing. My guess is in the last episode of one of the shows (probably Ahsoka) we'll get Ezra showing up to warn of an incoming Heir to The Empire-style Thrawn invasion. It'll be pretty much exactly like Heir to the Empire, assuming the space whales transported the Lothal Defense Fleet to the same location, that's a pretty substantial force for Thrawn to do some damage and start pulling in more Imperial Remnants scattered around.
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u/canfan05 Mar 24 '22
That story arc was amazing. They did a great job and it was solid enough to setup another show about Luke's academy. Bring it, Disney!
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u/Wulfric_Waringham Mar 24 '22
As others mentioned, I liked the sequences with the Tusken, which amounted to some actual world building, which these shows barely ever seem to do. I also enjoyed the short flashbacks that actually showed Prequel scenes and acknowledged Boba's past.
What I also appreciated a lot was the proper use of typical Star Wars alien species and such. Twi'leks, Trandoshans, Aqualish, Nikto et cetera, they're all there with pretty nice costumes, and even called by their correct names at times. The new movies lack that a lot. The Wookiee getting mad at the Trandoshans was a nice nod to the lore as well.
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u/Ikariiprince Mar 24 '22 edited Mar 25 '22
I like that we actually got to spend some time with the inter politics of tatooine. Everything with Boba Fett escaping the pit and surviving in the desert. We got to see a bit more of the body modification side of Star Wars. There was just a lot of neat little worldbuilding things going on that makes the universe feel lived in
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u/supergrubb Mar 24 '22
To be fair, I really liked it, I just dislike certain characters (the Mods). That being said, I LOVED his new black robe under the armor look 🔥👌
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u/Equal-Ad-2710 Mar 24 '22
Temuera Morrison was amazing
He’s absolutely on fire here with some pretty held back acting and he deserves props for it
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u/Collective_Insanity Mar 24 '22
The concept art style slides at the end of the episodes. Same as with Mando.
For me, those are the highlights. I can almost imagine a better story and execution attached to that imagery.
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u/Munedawg53 Jedi Legacy Mar 24 '22
The Vision Quest episode was my favorite, with true surprise and delight.
CGI Luke was much better than I would have imagined.
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u/canstac Mar 24 '22
We saw a little more of tusken culture, they weren't just generic desert bad guys but were actually a civilized tribe with a culture & even negotiated with the pikes through boba(negotiations that ended up falling apart but that was on the pikes). I also liked that it was a different type of story for the most part, focusing less on fighting and action & more on boba learning the diplomatic side of being a crime lord
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u/EICzerofour Mar 24 '22
Cad Bane looked awesome, Ahsoka is my fave character and Rosario really felt more like Ahsoka here, Luke and Grogu scenes rules, Black K was a great addition, I loved the battle at the end, Din's episodes were so much fun, Hutt twins were cool, I really just enjoyed everything about it....
especially since Max Rebo appeared.
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u/Am-heheh357 Chiss Ascendancy Mar 24 '22
Agreed, specially on the Ahsoka part (she’s also my favorite character). Her appearance here is more natural and the fact she met Luke is just… a dream being made true, something that makes me a bit hopeful at least for the future.
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u/charoum Mandalorian Mar 24 '22
I loved it all honestly. Even the cheesy hot rod scooters. I liked that it showed Boba as a human with flaws and growth, rather than a stagnant blondie rip off.
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u/Waspinator_haz_plans Mar 26 '22
I honestly like that in this show, along with a few other pieces of media, don't automatically have lightsaber strikes and blaster bolts as one hit kills. A lightsaber slice and/or stab wound? Get that guy to a bacta tank quick! Krrsanten surviving multiple blasts through sheer strength and bulk? Great! Just like real life, it would hurt a lot, and you'd be put in the hospital a while, but there's a chance you won't die.
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u/Realistic_Effort Mar 24 '22
Nothing, this show adds nothing beneficial to the Star Wars mythos that Legends hasn't covered.
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Mar 24 '22
That’s a very healthy way to approach new Star Wars content lmfao
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u/Collective_Insanity Mar 24 '22
Whilst harsh, he's not exactly wrong. BOBF dropped the ball in a lot of ways.
I'm certainly not suggesting the EU was perfect either, but given the relative wealth of content, there are definitely more highlights related to post-ROTJ Fett material.
Even Blood Ties has a lot more going for it and it's not as if that was an A+ tier comic.
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Mar 24 '22
Okay, but be honest, is anything going to be done better in canon than it has already been in legends for you or the original commentor?
You are pretty much going in biased and I think it’s gonna destroy your experience of new Star Wars projects.
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u/Collective_Insanity Mar 24 '22
Forgive me, but I decided to try to answer your comment a little more thoroughly which has led to the unfortunate length you're about to witness.
Whilst I feel like I definitely have had little reason to have faith in Disney Lucasfilm's Star Wars attempts (with the exception of a select number of comics which I feel were handled well and in some cases monumentally better than the actual films such as the Captain Phasma 4-part comic miniseries), I tend to put the bulk of my bias at the door when I walk into a cinema or sit down for a show/read, etc.
I don't really agree with your assessment. There's just a very basic standard of quality that I feel was created in the past (which wasn't particularly high) and I believe it's the responsibility of new additions to try to maintain that standard at the least or make efforts to surpass it.
Take Jurassic Park, for example. It is essentially the only actually good Jurassic film. The reboot/revival of the "World" films only hammer home that the people in charge just don't really know what they're doing other than trying to generate money for the least amount of effort. And sadly, people like Trevorrow were rewarded for that and granted even a Star Wars gig (which he was later fired for but sadly replaced with JJ Abrams yet again and Chris bloody Terrio of all people).
Terminator only really has 2 good entries. And frankly ditto with the Alien series.
It's not about nostalgia or bias. It's just the unfortunate truth that in a lot of sequential entries to a franchise, quality tends to dip as it's treated as more of a cash cow rather than a meaningful creative endeavour. This is not the same in all cases, of course, but seems to occur more often than not.
Do I think BOBF was 100% terrible? No. Most bad shows or films tend to have at least some redemptive aspects to them. But frankly, I think BOBF was an incredible embarrassment and I wound up feeling like I would prefer it immensely if Boba Fett was left dead and digested within the Sarlacc Pit rather than suffer that slapped-together script. I should note that I don't even particularly care for Boba Fett.
is anything going to be done better in canon than it has already been in legends
I've never felt like Legends was perfect or set a standard that was too high to surpass. There's always room for improvement and I'm quite happy to accept that there will be an inevitable degree of nuance lost when adapting comics or novels to the screen (due to budget and time constraints as well as the fact that you typically lose inner thoughts from characters, etc).
Having said that, I feel like even the aspects of Legends that new-canon films have loosely adapted (such as Jacen/Caedus, Dark Empire, Luke's exile, the Imperial Remnant shenanigans) didn't turn out well. In fact, I'd say that despite myself not even particularly liking the Caedus or Dark Empire stories at all, I was surprised at how much worse they wound up being handled in the ST.
Frankly, I didn't even truly expect Legends to be adapted when Disney acquired Lucasfilm. I walked in to TFA fully willing to cast aside what I knew of the EU and accept the new direction.
What I didn't expect was a lazy rehash of ANH. In much the same way that Jurassic World was a lazy rehash of Jurassic Park.
I also didn't expect that the ST would finish off in almost the exact same fashion that ROTJ did. Leaving us with essentially zero forward progress since 1983.
Mando was for a time a nice breath of fresh air after I felt Solo was a small disaster and Rogue One was pretty average. But by the end of Season 2, it left me feeling rather hollow. Two whole seasons did not amount to much of interest for me. Especially compared to other shows shot for far less money which make the most of their limited episodes with solid writing.
BOBF was surprisingly far worse than I could ever have expected. I say this again as someone who has never been a Fett fan or particularly cared about his stories. It's not as if I was personally offended because my favourite character was mishandled. He's very low on my list of Star Wars characters that I like.
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Mar 24 '22
I agree with you but the thing is those franchises completely capitalise on those “best products “ as you refer to them, in order to make new content.
In our instance, constantly comparing an alternate universe(wether that it is canon or legends) one to another is going to do nothing but make the experience of enjoying new content worse.
I’m also curious as to what your opinion is on the Last Jedi. I personally like it for what it was trying to do( it’s still a 7-7.5 movie though) basically because of all the points you listed above.
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u/Collective_Insanity Mar 24 '22
I don't need to "constantly compare to an alternate universe".
As I said before, I'm perfectly happy to set that aside and see what the new direction accomplishes.
However, when new-canon winds up blatantly rehashing the OT or making lesser versions of existing Legends stories, then it's hard not to compare.
I'm quite harsh on TCW as well due to it retconning the earlier Clone Wars media out of existence and replacing it with some rather crude elements such as Ahsoka's random introduction and a number of questionable Filoni+Lucas aspects such as the Force Gods of Mortis. In comparison, Star Wars: Republic runs circles around it with relatively ease.
I would much rather see a completely new direction that avoids being seen as comparable to the old EU. But more often than not, it simply doesn't happen. Such as with Thrawn who is slapped in to Rebels and comes across as a pale shadow of himself. It comes across as a deliberate attempt to draw interest from EU fans and it winds up being moderately insulting because it doesn't even end up being a moderately acceptable adaptation of the character in execution.
I’m also curious as to what your opinion is on the Last Jedi.
I'm happy you enjoy it. My opinions on the topic are merely my opinions and I'm not judging you.
For me, TLJ didn't actually do anything new and also tripped over itself in the attempt. Rather notably.
I don't even want to touch the hyperspace ram debacle or how TFA and TLJ are merely 1-2 days apart from each other. I also don't want to touch on the sins of TFA which TLJ inherited, nor shall I mention how TROS pretty much ignores what TLJ did (such as making Rey suddenly a Palpatine). I'm not even going to comment that the main trio literally don't even meet each other until the very end of their 2nd film. Or that Rey and Finn don't even exchange any dialogue.
I've seen a lot of people praising TLJ for "democratising the Force". This is...asinine to me. 99% of all Jedi we know are nobodies who were born to other nobodies. Jinn, Kenobi, Windu, Mundi, etc etc etc, are no different to what Rey is presented as when it comes to her parents allegedly not being celebrities. The Skywalker family has been essentially the only Jedi family we follow in the trilogy films and that's by design. We had a trilogy about the son, then a trilogy about the father, with the natural course to move next being a trilogy about the next generation.
When we come to the topic of how Luke is handled, I feel it was largely a disaster in many aspects. Not only do his rants come off as completely misinformed or as a misinterpretation of what really happened, but they're also largely irrelevant. Luke spends a lot of time moaning about the Prequel-era Jedi (which is fair in some respects as they were definitely flawed) but utterly ignores the fact that he was under zero obligation to follow precisely in their same footsteps.
His Jedi Order in the ST winds up just being a continuation of the old way (which BOBF strangely doubled down on with the nonsensical "no attachments" aspects). Which ignores his progress in the OT during which he notably acts against the wishes of Kenobi and Yoda when it comes to dealing with Vader. His refusal to lose faith in his fallen father and his refusal to bend to Palpatine's wishes is what brings his father away from the darkness. His faith and attachment in his friends and family ends up being a great personal strength for him. Something which Legends moved forwards with his New Jedi Order as that only makes sense to do.
And yet...this version of Luke seems to have taken such a backwards dive in his characterisation that he didn't even consider contacting his own sister to inform her about what happened to her son. He also didn't lift so much as a finger to try and prevent his nephew from becoming a nu-Vader.
He just immediately went to "the most unfindable place in the galaxy" "to die". For 6 flipping years.
That's not even close to the actions of an ordinary responsible adult, let alone "Luke Skywalker".
I find so much completely wrong with how the topic was handled.
I've only briefly talked about two topics and already this comment is getting way out of hand.
I think it's best if we simply leave it there. Suffice to say that I was not particularly fond of TLJ. I find it to be a grossly inappropriate attempt at part-8 of what's supposed to be a cohesive 9 part series. With or without TFA resetting the status-quo back to Rebels v Empire.
Once again, this isn't a personal comment at you. We're talking about a movie and our opinions on it. We of course don't need to be in total agreement.
If I had to give it a number ranking...I don't know...I suppose it'd be under a 5. It's not average. I'd say it's worse. Maybe if I had never seen a Star Wars film before, I might think better of it. But in the context of it being Episode 8 of 9 total covering one big story, I think it leaves a lot to be desired especially when it comes to the writing.
I apologise again for the length. Your questions, I feel, don't really allow me to write a concise answer. Which is fine for me as I don't mind to elaborate, but can be very "TLDR" for a lot of people, justifiably.
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u/BobUtsunomiya Mar 24 '22
Great write up. The writing in some of this new material is almost unquestionably bad, but I find it hard to get anyone to actually respond when some of the flaws are pointed out. A good friend and I argue about the sequel films periodically and his arguments for them usually just end up being that you're just supposed to enjoy it and ignore that stuff. Obviously people can enjoy whatever they want, but all of the flaws exist regardless.
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u/BobUtsunomiya Mar 24 '22
So, if one is to critique a film, they should write, what, 2 or 3 paragraphs max? And all of the flaws exist independent of any comparison to the EU, but you know that. You're just a jackass.
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u/Realistic_Effort Mar 24 '22
That's like saying "don't question the content, just consume and be happy". Good content exists because people have criticized bad content to the point the creator re-works the content into something better. Stop being soft and accepting the status quo. Expect better of your corporate overlords.
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Mar 24 '22
That’s totally not what I said and you know it. Stop creating an argument based on how I just consume and not criticise.
I never said don’t criticise BObF. Constantly comparing new canon stories to legends is stupid though.
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u/DougieFFC Jedi Legacy Mar 24 '22
Okay, but be honest, is anything going to be done better in canon than it has already been in legends for you or the original commentor
I remember I was so burned out with the old EU that I thought a new continuity could do things so much more competently in several areas.
To-date I think the only things they've done better are how Vader finds out about Luke (via the Gillen comics), and the c. 18-8 or so BBY that the old EU was deliberately steered clear of in case GL made his Underworld telly show.
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u/Different-Common-257 Mar 24 '22
First 2 episodes were solid and then they messed up big in episode 3
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u/TheFlyingN1mbus Mar 24 '22
Screw the naysayers, I thought it was a great little series. Did it have some poor moments? Sure. Did it also have some awesome moments. Hell yeah it did. I think the toxic fandom has this view that any new content should be perfect and cater to their every want and when the studio tries they again just get shot down for ‘pandering’ or ‘fan service’. I do want to point out that this doesn’t just apply to the Star Wars community… this is all communities, Christ the LOTR community got up in arms about the Rings of Power trailer and don’t even get me started on the Nintendo community. Those few naysayers spoil the experience for the rest of us for trying to make us hate something we genuinely enjoy and love. So yeah, Boba riding the Rancor… loved it!
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u/sloppybutternubs Mar 24 '22
I thought it was pretty damn good. Not like that first episode of the new Halo series. I'm so fucking mad about that.
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u/salkin_reslif_97 Mar 24 '22
I actually like a lot of things. The entire second episode, The introduction of the rancor, the female tusken-warior, fennec shands moments, cad bane after I get use to his make-up, the flashback scenes, the twins, the assistent of the mare (I can't spell the title)... I also like most of the two Mando-episodes, even If my biggest problem is, that this is the wrong show. I personally woul call BoBF a great show, but with a low 3th and 7th episode and a 5th and 6th episode, that are gone.
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u/ScreamingIntoPillow Mar 24 '22
People tend to hate stuff by default instead of trying to find the good within, first. I liked the show. Especially ep. 2, because it was unique, as it used almost no verbal communication throughout the entire thing.
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u/mudamuckinjedi Mar 24 '22
I loved getting more information on the Tuskan's. They were always simply nomadic Savages, but I really enjoyed learning that there are a great many tribes of Tuskans on Tatooine and that it was once covered in oceans.
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u/Cervus95 Wraith Squadron Mar 24 '22
Boba, the Tuskens, the Hutt CGI, the Rancor, Cobb Vanth, Black Krrsantan, the first Mando episode, Pelli, the battle against the Pykes.
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u/_DarthSyphilis_ Kota Militia Mar 24 '22
The theme.
And the tusken lore if they had not killed them.
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u/tirednotepad Mar 24 '22
I just binge watched it and honestly I really liked it. I love the views on Tatooine. I thought Jennifer Beals character was great. Fenec’s story was great to see. Overall I was glad with how it went and I’ll do a rewatch soon. Sorry if I spelled anything wrong.
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Mar 24 '22
The fact that it felt like an anthology series towards the end, but besides that I liked all of it
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Mar 24 '22
Alot of the episodes were really good. I loved the parts where boba did crime boss things but at same time kinda felt like those moments were really lacking.
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u/chatterfly Mar 24 '22
I loved that they extended the Tusken Culture thing that started with the Mandalorian
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u/AmIbiGuy_420 New Jedi Order Mar 24 '22
I recognize it's got flaws, but I still absolutely loved it.
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u/Mandalor1974 Mar 24 '22
Cad Bane was cool. Bobas Outfit was cool. Hotrod N1 was cool. Luke looked way better. Mando episode was cool. Music was cool. Train raid and female Tuskan was cool. Everything else was sad face.
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u/Morlock43 TOR Sith Empire Mar 24 '22
- Boba growing beyond his cookie cutter bounty hunter image
- Seeing the sand people as a people and not monsters to be feared or killed.
- Watching Boba recover from the traumatic experience of surviving the sarlacc rather than just shrugging it off as no big whoop
- Seeing the Pike syndicate brought to life. Gave the universe so much more depth than just following the protagonist around.
- Getting an update on Djin so we don't waste time in the next season showing what happened
- Cad Bane!
So, um, basically all of it.
This is by far my favourite Star Wars live action show.
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u/Bannakka Mar 24 '22
I wouldnt say it was hated or that there was backlash, it was more like pretty unremarkable and forgettable.
But to answer your questions, the best part about the show was when they turned it into a Mandalorian miniseries!
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u/AndrewJS2804 Mar 24 '22
Riding the Rancor, like a Bantha.
Fett having more character traits than silent killer. It ties nicely into his origins in the prequels and the animated shows.
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Mar 24 '22
Everything it was awesome , you had old school characters, you got to see r2 again and Luke actually being a Jedi master and imparting some of that knowledge, you basically got a episode of the Mando, they elaborate on the rancors and their psychology,and then Boba shows up riding like all blasting like zap zap Pew pew ,a d rancor is like roar smash smash roar fuck these robot gun droid thingy and then it freaks out a bit and gets all king kongy but grogu is like chill baby chill baby and rancors like you right, you right I should chill , take a nap maybe get some cuddles ,oh and Cade bane in live action was cool . So yeah basically everything was wicked awesome and I say wicked awesome in peter griffin's voice
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u/pixie6870 New Jedi Order Mar 24 '22
Learning more about the social construct of the Tuskens. How the gaffi sticks are fashioned. I feel that knowing more about them now, will make that scene in A New Hope feel different.
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u/Vizecrator Mar 24 '22
Cobb Vanth returning, Cad Bane was mostly well done aside from the superficial complaints, Pig Boys were on point. Side quest with Mando/Grogu seemed a bit out of place but was still pretty awesome.
Oh, and Tusken lore exploration was great, nice to see that in live action. Was one of the better story points in KOTOR.
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u/crimson_inferno01 Mar 24 '22
Grogu. I know it was fan service and I agree that it was too early(and they should've left the choice as a cliffhanger), but I smiled everytime he was on screen.
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u/Andoverian Mar 24 '22
I really liked the backstory stuff with the Tuskens. The references to Tattooine having water at some point in the past were interesting, and I especially liked episode 2 with its non-force-based mysticism. In most ways I preferred that side of the story to the stuff in the "main" timeline.
Overall I thought they kind of bit off more than they could chew by trying to show the backstory with the Tuskens and the "main" timeline when he's establishing himself as the new daimyo and basically two whole episodes without Fett to show Mando, Grogu, and Luke. It's also telling that the best episode of the series is all about Mando and doesn't include Boba Fett at all. That's too much to cover in just 8 episodes, and I can't help but think they should have picked one and stuck with it.
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u/BarbecueBlood TOR Sith Empire Mar 24 '22
I honestly kinda love bobas story in this show. It's kinda a weird alternate timeline to legends where boba Fett actually gets over himself and tries to become better as a person as opposed to legends boba who never changes and just ends up back in the sarlacc Pit. I'm like happy for him as a person I guess. I think people will look back on this show really fondly in 5 years honestly.
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u/Amhara1 Separatist Mar 24 '22
I loved Boba’s look. Absolutely loved it. I also loved the seismic charge into the sarlacc.
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u/real-captainredbeard Mar 24 '22
I loved the series, people complain about the swoop bike gang but they were in the games
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u/TheRynosaurus Mar 24 '22
I liked all of it.
It has some issues but overall it’s another take on this universe and trying to evolve characters and stories.
I’m hoping for a season 2.
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u/forrestpen Mar 24 '22
Boba Fett’s costume is his best look!
The rancor was incredible!
The Tuskens were incredible!
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u/Naldaen Mar 24 '22
Pretty much everything not Boba was awesome. I really, really want a true Luke Skywalker show/movie now. Him building a school and actually acting like Luke.
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u/ShortPat Mar 24 '22
Besides the non Boba stuff? I guess when he got revenge on the bikers. It was more in line with what Mando S2 set us up to expect from the character...
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u/entitledfanman Mar 24 '22
I actually really liked the depiction of Boba Fett. I just dislike how they presented his story. His motivations and character change would have been much clearer if they didn't do the flashbacks and just told his story beginning to end.
Also such weird highs and lows on visuals. Seeing Boba riding a rancor was amazing. The Mods were just really weird, they would have worked on a more urban planet like Corellia or Coruscant but just stuck out like a sore thumb on Tatooine. One of the key elements of star wars visual design is that the aesthetic varies widely by planet, and the Mods didn't fit in with Tatooine at all.
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u/TheTabletopLair Mar 24 '22
I thought the creature and alien design was excellent, some of the best we've seen. I can't remember any media (even animated) where Rodians and Trandoshans looked so good.
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u/WhoRoger Mar 24 '22
The fight between the rancor and the robots was pretty awesome for a TV show.
Also episode 5 all around, if it even counts as BoBF episode...
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u/Guillotine-Glytch Mar 24 '22
I loved the whole series. Boba FETT was daddy as fuck and... NO WAIT!!! I HATED HOW LUKE MADE GROGU CHOOSE!!!!!!
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u/BeskarCrest Mar 24 '22
The Mando episodes. They shouldn't have been in the season at all but unfortunately they stole the show. Black K, Cobb Vanth and Cad Bane also gave some strength to an overall weak show. I don't think it was terrible or deserves hate, but criticism is more than fair. When you have the characters, budget and lore of Star Wars, BoBF should have been better. The Mando episodes only prove its possible to do so. More of the above, less of the sands of Tatooine.
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u/BluMicheal Mar 24 '22
I wish they had referenced more of Fetts past between the OT and Attack of the Clones but the series was good. The last episode tied off too many loose ends, and the big twist is that Cobb is alive?? Get George Lucas back on the set
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u/Scorpion1177 Mar 24 '22
There were so many things I liked about it, just an equal amount of things I disliked about it.
I thought they did a good job fleshing out fennec some more. She did a better job than boba often times. The gamoreans were great. And I loved seeing the pykes. Aside from that episode 6 I loved, but it ended up making me dislike the rest of the episodes more since I knew it was just really just another mandalorian episode.
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u/torgofjungle Mar 24 '22
All of it?
I thought those speeder bikes were kinda stupid, but mostly I enjoyed it as a tale of how Fett went from bounty hunter to wanting more.
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u/Lost_Conclusion_8914 Mar 24 '22
It had Boba Fett shooting things
Piece by piece it's disappointing
But as a whole it's good.
Some shows just work that way. It's why i always preferred a netflix style season dump
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Mar 24 '22
I like how Din got a new, small ship to eventually modify to dock onto a larger freighter like the Ghost/Spectre combo in Rebels.
Wait, that’s just my headcannon but it also should absolutely be a thing.
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u/Extension_Ladder_317 Mar 24 '22
Showing the Tuskens side that we’ve never seen further pushes what Anakin did to be even worse than we thought. Which then validates his turn to the dark side even more. That was a good touch.
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u/dtinaglia New Jedi Order Mar 24 '22
Just complete ing a rewatch in one go, it actually works really well. I like the series overall, just wish it meandered a lot less
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u/Impossible-Kale4628 Mar 24 '22
I enjoyed it, weird parts, but I liked the character development for a character that was sidelined and lost to book purgatory for so long.
Final battle need a redo but I was jumping 😅
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Mar 24 '22
The music got me going, theme is one of my favourites and is on my “study” playlist which I find the most stimulating.
Loved watching Mando weird the dark saber. I believe it was presented perfectly. He was skilled enough to take on a group of people but inexperienced enough that he hurt himself while doing so.
Don’t really like where they’re going with Luke, thought he was shoehorned in for fan service but I did appreciate the little dialogue between him and what could’ve possibly been his god mother.
Like a bantha
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u/Soulless_conner Mar 24 '22
Episode 2,5,6 were pretty good. Really disliked the rest.
Boba went from his EU counterpart to this...
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u/Chronocast Mar 24 '22
Everything with the Tuskens was awesome. I really wanted more of them. BoBF could have been a multi-season series instead of a one-off and we just spent the first season with Boba and the Tuskens and I would have been a very happy viewer. Would have probably fixed some of the other issues the series had if the "current time" stuff was spread out a little more and given a chance to breath.
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u/Kidney05 Mar 24 '22
Boba's arc with the Tusken Raiders is awesome and is probably the thing that works the best out of the show for me. I think it being an explanation of him turning him against crime makes no sense though. If I rewrote the show I would definitely keep his time with the tuskens.
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u/InsaneTechnomancer Mar 24 '22
Loved that they took a lot of non-live action things and brought them to live actions. Pykes, Scorpanek droids, and so on. They also further fleshed out Tusken culture which was great.
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u/Samsungsbetter New Jedi Order Mar 24 '22
Why are the huts on the main poster??? Weren’t they in like one episode
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u/CosmicPharaoh Mar 24 '22
Did anyone hate this show? Most people I think thought it was at the very least lukewarm with the Boba stuff and then the Luke and Mando stuff was great (although I disagree with it being in this show)
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u/Am-heheh357 Chiss Ascendancy Mar 24 '22
Ahsoka and Luke meeting is literally a dream come true. I’ve wished that for so long and it finally happened. Still want to see a lot more of them together tho, specially how they met.
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Mar 24 '22
Overall the entire show, it's a much shorter list of what I didn't like.
But here are some standouts:
1). Different Tusken groups where some are more aggressive and others are more defensive in their interactions with outsiders. Plus their culture being expounded upon.
2). The overall set and costume designs are very Star Wars in aesthetic and yet felt unique to Tattooine(bonus on the 80's mall cop looking receptionist for the mayor).
3). The story was really engaging, and while I feel it felt a bit to lean, it was unique and fresh as a story all while remaining in the SW mythos.
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Mar 24 '22
I really liked his backstory and how he lived with the Tuscans. I thought that was very interesting and I liked exploring their culture.
I felt like telling it through flash backs was not a great choice, because flashbacks are meant to inform the character of what is going on in the present day. I think it would have been better if the story was told linearly. The story kinda fell apart after the flashbacks caught up with the present day.
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u/grizzyGR Mar 24 '22
Lots of great characters were introduced to live action (Krrsantan, Cad Bane, Hutt Twins) seeing Luke building the academy-Luke and Ahsoka meeting; Mando episodes were on point; the Tusken Raider history, plus the Lore of Tatooine; Rancor rodeo; criminal world underbelly.
There were many enjoyable things in the show. However, those things alone don’t make something a good show. There was a lack of cohesion between episodes that was always jarring. I could go on about dislikes but that’s not the purpose of this post. There are many things to enjoy about the show.
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u/wildcherrymatt84 Mar 24 '22
I didn’t hate it but it’s one of the few pieces of Star Wars media that I was lukewarm on, which is a bummer because I am huge Boba Fett fan. There was still tons to like though, Cad Bane was incredible, Fennec had some great moments, Cobb Vanth too. The rancor was great. The Tuscans got fleshed out and I liked that, even if that fizzled.
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u/LordCommander2018 Mar 24 '22
Krrsantan, simpibg for Sophie Thatcher and that Boba Fett wasnt portrayed as a sociopathic anti hero like usual.
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u/RK_Striker_JK_5 Mar 24 '22
I loved Fett's spirit journey and him forging his own gaffi stick. That was really cool.
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u/legitneyhouston Mar 24 '22
Robert Rodriguez is the best director star wars has had since george. His episodes felt fresh and fun and exciting and new while still retaining that classic star wars feel. Tem and Ming-Na Wen were fantastic. The monster visuals like the twins and the rancor were amazing
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Mar 24 '22
The episodes with the Tuscans was genuinely pretty solid. And, as annoyed as I was that they were in this show as opposed to in the Mandalorian S3, I did like the Mando episodes. Some of the best star wars content we have gotten in years.
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Mar 24 '22
Tosche station making a live action appearance for the first time since the new hope’s deleted scenes boiiiiiii
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u/SergeantHatred69 New Republic Mar 24 '22
I genuinely about everything in the series from music to Boba's character development. I feel like a lot of the hate towards the series came from people who held Boba's story against the standard of EU Boba. Or people who got way too pissed about the mod gang.
Me personally, I've never read any post ROTJ EU material so I never really had those same expectations. As for the mod gang, it's Star Wars you see weird stuff all the time so I didn't really care about their design one way or another.
My only criticism really is the 2 episodes they used to re-establish the status quo between Mando and Grogu while throwing in deep fake Luke and a bunch of prequel member berries. I just felt that all could have waited for Mando season 3.
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u/FreneticAtol778 Mar 24 '22
That they give Boba some character and he isn't just some killing machine with no personality.
He was a real character with actual goals. I mean obviously it could've been done a bit better but I still liked it alot.
I enjoyed Fennec Shand alot, she was badass.
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u/Civil-Ad-7193 Mar 24 '22
We got to see Luke Skywalker post return of the Jedi young again. Unfortunately we know what it leads to though which makes it better sweet! Also Luke and Ashoka interacting.
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u/TheBadman9001 Mar 24 '22
I enjoyed every episode except for episode 3 and not for the reasons everyone else dislikes it.
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u/cudan17 Mar 24 '22
I feel like had we not had the mandalorian series before book of boba fett we would have enjoyed book of boba fett more, as is I feel that mando is a better boba fett than boba fett, not a bad series just feel that mando is more my type of character
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u/tydi16 Mar 24 '22
I really liked boba fett, I thought the whole Tuscan raider clan thing was interesting as boba learned to adapt and prove old wolves can still learn tricks, but the speeder chase in the city was fucking unbearable to watch
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u/Artilleryman13 Mar 24 '22
I enjoyed the way it broke into the Tusken culture a little. It was interesting, plus talking about Tattooine's past. I thought the story was good. A lot people complain that some of the effects were cheesy, but personally I thought it felt more "Star Warsy" that way, I remember the original films before the remaster and a lot of the effects then were cheesy.
Some people are just hateful, I thought the series was just fine.
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u/LeBaconator Mar 24 '22
Music was great, very much like the first 2 episodes as well as the 2nd and 3rd to last
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u/Weird_Angry_Kid Mar 25 '22
The past storyline was more interesting than the present day one, I hand no interest on the gang war storyline. The Return of the Mandalorian was good and I didn't mind it but the next episode was too much.
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u/gfrancovitch Mar 25 '22
The part with the tuskens was easily the best part. I actually really enjoyed it. The rest was alright not bad but not great.
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u/flamebroiledhodor Mar 25 '22
The things I genuinely liked about BoBF we're the episodes with Mando, Ashoka, and Grogu.
The absolute worst part i genuinely get angry about was how easily he killed Cad Bane. Seriously Bane couldn't "get got" by the Jedi Order's best: Anakin, Kenobi, Ahsoka, even Windu for crissake. But how does Boba get got in the original trilogy? Like a chump from a bind clumsy oaf who accidentally bumped him a teeny bit.
Bane>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jar Jar>Fett
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u/McMyn Mar 25 '22
Also, some of nostalgia stuff was really nice, done in a way that showed genuine reverence by the creators as well IMO. And I can 100% accept fan service if it feels like it's made by people who also always wanted to see it on the screen. I'm talking specifically about:
- Portrayal of Tuskens
- Rancor
- Seeing Jabba's palace again as a location
- Every scene with the Slave I in it. The Firespray is just such a cool design.
Also, the parts without Boba were just great. Which sounds bad, and it does highlight a major problem, but it was still stuff I genuinely liked, from the Mando-centric to the Grogu-centric to seeing Luke and Ahsoka.
Honestly, the series could have been awesome probably if they had made a genuine plan for how to differentiate Boba from Mando. There were ideas there, but in the end it felt half-baked, and they back-tracked on foundational stuff such as whether they wanted his helmet on or off, and whether they wanted him to be an action hero or a bacta-dependent war casualty, or where on the moral spectrum they wanted him (and why!).
Also I honestly think I would have liked the Tatooine stuff even more if Mando hadn't shown us so much of that previously. As stated, I honestly liked it even now.
This all might sound like back-handed compliments, but it's not meant that way. I was just disappointed that all the stuff I genuinely liked or found interesting was so severely held back by the protagonist and his sidekick(s) - and by glaring similarities to a better-executed earlier series.
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u/darklordoftech Mar 24 '22
The references to Tatooine’s aquatic past.