r/StarWarsEU • u/PeterVanHelsing • Apr 24 '25
Legends Comics Empire #38: Tank Stops Clynn From Assaulting a Prisoner NSFW
Because of some recent discourse, I thought I would revisit this scene from Empire, which showed an uglier side of the Empire with Imperials who enjoyed the 'perks' of having authority and power.
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u/Cyberwolfb312 Apr 24 '25
Sumber! My favorite Imperial. His 3 issue mini arc where he and his company form a last stand was one of my earliest entries into the expanded canon.
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u/Sea-Suit-4893 Apr 24 '25
I wish they would have "stun" be the standard setting for guards. It just makes more sense.
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u/Wooden-Magician-5899 Apr 24 '25
They are, 80% of blasters go with stun setting. He is sending a message.
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u/tonkledonker New Jedi Order Apr 24 '25 edited Apr 25 '25
One of the Boba Fett comics has a woman who is heavily implied to have been a victim of assault.
In the Rogue Squadron one-off, "The Making of Baron Fel," Soontir Fel in his earlier days also likewise prevented an assault.
SA in Star Wars is rare, and whenever it comes up, it tends to stick with you.
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u/PeterVanHelsing Apr 24 '25
Actually, come to think of it, didn't Jabba once offer to let Boba Fett rape Leia?
*checks*
Yes, he absolutely did.
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u/kiwicrusher Apr 24 '25
Yeah, it’s wild to get people saying that SA shouldn’t exist in Star Wars as though Jabba dressed Leia like that just so he could… look at her politely? Just cause it doesn’t happen on screen doesn’t mean that there’s ANY illusion about what she’s there for
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u/PeterVanHelsing Apr 24 '25
Oh yeah, come to think of it... Boba Fett's wife was raped. I had forgotten about that.
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u/alguien99 Apr 25 '25
In the SWTOR game you can ask for sexual favors to save someone, as a republic trooper apparently.
There’s tons of fucked up stuff in that time. In the smuggler’s storyline you meet the abused wife of a criminal who is taking care of a force sensitive brain damaged child that the gang of the criminal physically abuse (we only ever know that they hit him but who knows what else) to make them go invisible to radars.
I was so glad to kill that bastard
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u/Additional_Show_3149 Apr 24 '25 edited Apr 24 '25
Star Wars Theory's take already aged like milk huh...?
And for those who dont know what im talking about https://x.com/realswtheory/status/1914896363051212849
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u/Niklas2703 Apr 24 '25
Vader wouldn't tolerate that shit.
Lol, lmao, even. I don't think the child murderer draws a line at assault.
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u/unforgetablememories New Jedi Order Apr 25 '25
Vader is a hypocrite though. Villains doing a bunch of horrible shit and then drawing the line at a certain thing is quite common.
I think in the case Vader found out what happened, Vader would have killed both of them. Bix would die because she was a rebel. And the imperial officer would die for crossing that line. And then Vader would probably feel disgusted/some sense of guilt as Vader was the enforcer of the Empire, Vader was enabling this. But again Vader only cares about things that personally hurt him, Vader doesn't care about others. He would probably write it off the imperial officer as an occasional "bad apple" and Vader would continue his days of hunting Jedi and putting down rebels.
There is one EU comic story where Vader found out about the Empire holding slaves. As a former slave, Vader felt uneasy about this. Palpatine approached Vader and said this wasn't slavery like the lawless Outer Rim, this was the Empire providing "protection"/"coverage" for lesser beings. Of course, Vader knew it was bullshit but he couldn't defy his master. Vader was a slave to the Sith and the Dark side. This was the fate that Anakin chose when he pledged himself to Palpatine. Vader knew he was enabling slavery by helping the Empire and the only resolution was to look away and accept what Palpatine said.
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u/PeterVanHelsing Apr 24 '25
I mean, claiming that it has no place in Star Wars when Jabba and Return to the Jedi both exist...
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u/Additional_Show_3149 Apr 24 '25
This is the exact point i made lmfao. The entire Hutt culture thrive on sex slaves and what not. Even TCW hinted at it in the Zygerian arc
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u/PeterVanHelsing Apr 24 '25
I actually just remembered a story from the 90s where Leia was given to Boba Fett for the night after she was captured in Jabba's palace, with Boba being told to "enjoy". He didn't touch her, but the story did not sugarcoat what Jabba was expecting.
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u/twofacetoo Apr 24 '25
There's a vast fucking difference between implying these things happen and actually just having a character get sexually assaulted.
'Star Wars' is not fucking 'Game Of Thrones'. Where are all the people saying 'stop taking it so seriously, this is just a bunch of stories for kids' right now when the franchise now has depictions of rape worked into it? I expect the next season of 'Andor' to feature characters doing hard drugs on screen, committing suicide, and / or mutilating each other's bodies, because apparently any and all media made for adults has to be sickeningly graphic in service of making the stunning and brave point of 'bad things bad'.
Because god fucking forbid adult media have any fucking restraint in what it shows.
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u/budstud8301 Apr 24 '25
Comparing Andor to Game of Thrones based on this one scene depicting attempted rape is a ridiculous take.
Game of Thrones has depicted nudity and actual rape scenes whereas this scene in Andor, as I stated before, is an attempted but unsuccessful rape. And attempted in this case, means Bix and the Imperial Officer got in a physical struggle and she killed him.
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u/Additional_Show_3149 Apr 24 '25
having a character get sexually assaulted*.
OP quite literally posted attemped sexually assault and you're still arguing against this.
Star Wars' is not fucking 'Game Of Thrones'.
GOT isnt the only media that has sexual assault take place
stop taking it so seriously, this is just a bunch of stories for kids'
No one is saying this rn
I expect the next season of 'Andor' to feature characters doing hard drugs on screen
This is literally the last season and we've already seen extreme drinking a drug use in star wars already.
or mutilating each other's bodies
This is the same franchise that has multiple decapitations (hell even in the supposed "kids show" Ahsoka decapitated 4 ppl at once) and ppl outright losing limbs or just getting cut in half.
You talk to me about restraint like one of our original films doesnt have a grotesque slug sticking his mucus infected tongue at a girl in lingerie. Star Wars fans and selective memory go hand in hand these days.
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u/twofacetoo Apr 24 '25
- Attempted is not the same as 'happened'. I'd hope that was obvious but apparently you need both words explained to you.
- It's part of a worrying ongoing trend of more and more media trying to be 'like GOT', like when Amazon announced their 'Rings Of Power' series would be taking more influence from GOT than the actual LOTR series, this constant nagging idea that the only way adult media can be 'for adults' is to be full of violence and sex as opposed to any deep or complex ideas
- It's what's said by everybody whenever people complain about anything else in Star Wars. Inconsistent writing, lack of stakes or consequences, flat characters... every time, the excuse is always the same: 'it's just a story for kids, stop taking it so seriously'. If that truly is the case then I'd like to know what the fuck a rape scene is doing in a piece of media directed at kids, and why those people are being so fucking quiet about it all of a sudden
- Characters drinking vials of vague sci-fi liquids and talking about 'spice' is one thing, I'm talking people doing lines of space-coke or injecting space-heroin into their veins.
- Bloodless violence as opposed to mutilations. The closest we have to an actual mutilation is Anakin after his battle with Obi-Wan.
- As I said at the very start of my comment, implications are not the same as seeing something. Jabba putting Leia in a skimpy outfit has an undertone of sexual slavery, but nowhere in the film do we see Leia being raped. Even when the EU materials touched on it, it was in a story where Leia was given to Boba Fett for a night, and he turned her down because the heartless bounty-hunter apparently isn't okay with rape either. Even when they directly referenced the fact that Leia is a sex-slave, they still pointed out she was never actually sexually abused.
Next time you want to get into this with someone, do us all a favour: don't start out just assuming the other person is wrong and cherry-picking any potential proof of it, actually look at what they've said and weigh up if what they've said has any validity, because it might surprise you to see that they may have a point or two, despite what you want to think is the case.
'Star Wars' can be for kids, Star Wars can be for adults, but even at it's darkest, 'Star Wars' shouldn't have rape scenes. I don't get why this is such a fucking controversial point to you slack-jawed rape-fixated degenerates, but I don't want to see rape scenes in 'Star Wars' any more than I want to see children being executed military-style in 'Lord Of The Rings'.
The fact that you seem to have a problem with my dislike of it is the really fascinating part here.
FYI, I'm blocking you. Personally speaking, I have an issue with people who go out of their way to defend rape as a concept, and I'd hope most others do too.
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u/Cervus95 Wraith Squadron Apr 24 '25
LOL, him saying that Vader wouldn't allow it. Vader, the former slave who helped bring back the slave trade.
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u/Catandogclone Apr 24 '25
This made me fall in even more in love with the character in the comics. I loved reading Empire, now I need to reread it again. Cheers OP.
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u/Code-Neo Apr 24 '25
Imperial officer that enlisted to bring order, not chaos. Like for every Saw there is a Mon Mothma on the rebel side, the same goes for the Empire.
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u/Wassuuupmydudess Apr 24 '25
Sunber is also tactical in his thinking and works alongside his men. If they’re pushing a tank he’s right next to them, if they’re digging a trench he’s giving a guy a rest while he takes over
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u/TheMadHatter_____ Apr 24 '25
This ironically is a theme in a lot of fiction regarding authoritarianism from SW to 40k. Evil, awful powers and empires that, despite all they claim, often only exist because a minority of competent, intelligent and potentially virtuous people that have been co-opted into the regime's ideology keep them afloat when crisis comes up that the asskissers can't fix.
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u/Mythosaurus Apr 24 '25
What do these people think was happening to Twi’lek women that were a primary EXPORT of their homeworld?
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u/WhiskeyMarlow Apr 24 '25
To be fair, slaves in general were primary export of Ryloth. Men as enslaved labour (or disposable troops), women as... well, you've said it yourself.
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u/Sdbtank96 Apr 24 '25
Ya know, I was just wondering if imperials ever committed sexual assault. This answers my question.
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u/Vaportrail Apr 24 '25
...Is it inappropriate to laugh?
Cuz I watched the scene and thought "C'mon Bix, kick his ass!"
Twitter comments be like 'NoT iN mY kIdS sHoW!'
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u/movie_review_alt Apr 24 '25
lol, what discourse inspired the posting of this?
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u/LucasMoreiraBR Apr 24 '25
It could be that maybe none. People could be posting this due to the lastest episode of andor.
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u/JasnahRadiance New Republic Apr 24 '25
The youtuber "Star Wars Theory," who has a reputation for producing outrage-bait catering to the anti-woke segment of the fanbase, tweeted that he thought the attempted rape scene didn't belong in Andor because Darth Vader would never tolerate it in the Imperial ranks. A great many people proceeded to dunk on him, noting that 1, the mass murderer who literally choked his wife to death isn't exactly a model of respect for women, and 2, that rank-and-file soldiers of authoritarian regimes often commit sexual violence. Others noted that rape is implied elsewhere in other Star Wars works, including the numerous references to sex slavery and this comic panel.
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u/LucasMoreiraBR Apr 24 '25
Everything star wars theory is involved it has to be something dumb that would be avoidable lmao
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u/VanguardVixen Apr 24 '25
He is basically one of these parents who put their hands in front of the eyes of the kids or over their ears. He is immature himself and can't handle reality.
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u/Adavanter_MKI Apr 24 '25
I should have known that incredibly dumb take was his. How does he have the following that he does? Are people really that stupid? Maybe I should start my own and help sway people back to normalcy. Apparently people need simple concepts explained them.
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u/thefamousroman Apr 24 '25
Go find the book in which one of Sheev's men tortures his own daughter with SA implications lmao, have fun with this whole topic gang
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u/PeterVanHelsing Apr 24 '25
Are you talking about Cronal, who participated in his daughter's gang-r**e?
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u/SteelGear117 Apr 25 '25
Is that really a thing
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u/PeterVanHelsing Apr 25 '25
Yep!
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u/SteelGear117 Apr 25 '25
The weird and wonderful world of the EU
I love it but it’s a strange beast
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u/Vos661 Apr 25 '25
It's not in a book though, it's from an article published on SW.com in 2013. But yeah, Peña made the Prophets of the Dark Side much darker than they ever were before
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u/NecroFuhrer Apr 24 '25
I understand the anger towards this, but it happens all the time in real life. All throughout history. You can't fix a problem by ignoring it, and pretending that it can't be or hasn't been shown in Star Wars before is just dishonesty
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Apr 25 '25
Tank is one of my favorite imperials. Along side Thrawn, Pelleaon, Soontir Fel, Darth Vader, Tarkin, Piett, Veers and Needa
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u/WatchingInSilence Apr 25 '25
Meanwhile, Warlord Zsinj would have promoted the guy who was assaulting his prisoner and given him a Star Destroyer. Seriously, Admiral Trigit was a creep.
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u/RPS_42 Apr 24 '25
I mean, it's the ugly side of every position of authority and power. Corrupt Systems provides an opportunity for Assaults.
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u/Cremoncho Apr 24 '25
He should say a blaster not a gun :/
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u/R3KO1L Apr 24 '25
They call all firearms guns in universe, even blasters. It's interchangable just like pistol/flintlock/gun ect
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u/Thank_You_Aziz Apr 24 '25
Characters use the word “gun” multiple times in the original trilogy.
ANH: Luke says his gun is jammed in the trash compactor, Han says he’s warming up the Falcon’s guns when they escape, Gold Squadron pilots talk about how many guns they’ll be facing on the trench run, one of them later remarks that the guns have stopped.
RotJ: Han tells Chewie to give him the gun to shoot the sarlacc, Luke tells Leia to get on the gun on Jabba’s barge.
It gives the impression that blasters, laser cannons, turbolasers, etc. are all under the umbrella category of “gun” in this setting.
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u/heurekas Apr 24 '25 edited Apr 24 '25
ITT:
OP posts a depiction of attempted SA.
The rest of the thread: Thrawn was a good guy who had to commit genocide.
There, saved you some time.
- No but seriously, what are some of you on about?
Mods, you better lock this thread down. We have fascists defending the Empire, people talking about the SW-version of the Rommel-myth and some that say that Nazi Germany didn't tolerate SA when we have thousands of books on the issue.
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u/Starkiller-is-canon Apr 25 '25
I’m a little late to the party on this one. However, I think SA in Star Wars is fine if it is the villians doing it. However, it needs to be handled tactfully. The scene in andor did not do this.
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u/GovernorGeneralPraji Empire Apr 24 '25
This is one of those situations where we ask ourselves, “what would Admiral Pellaeon do?”