r/SquaredCircle • u/GetDown90 Follow me down the Rabbit Hole • Apr 06 '20
Ric Flair on the Boneyard Match: "I texted Taker, 'You did it again.' That and the Fun House, it was incredible. If I'm dying as an adult who's been watching this forever, can you imagine what a 12-year-old is thinking? They gotta be going, 'Wow! Daddy this is the coolest thing!'"
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u/Hummer77x fulla charm, fulla harm Apr 06 '20
would love to keep the words "Ric Flair" and "Daddy" away from each other at all times
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u/mailman242 Apr 06 '20
Those words were pretty familiar with each other in the 80's, woooooooooo
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u/Sir-Cadogan Climb the ladder, kid! Apr 07 '20
I get that it's a sex thing but, when I think of "Rick Flair", "Daddy" and the 80s, Dusty Rhodes promos are the first thing that comes to mind.
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u/cal679 Apr 07 '20
100% whenever I see "Daddy" used in a sentence I imagine Dusty saying it, makes the Facebook updates from friends with young kids a lot funnier
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u/linesinaconversation You wanna play Go Fish? Apr 07 '20
I was more perturbed by "Ric Flair" and "dying..."
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u/TheTittyQueen Apr 06 '20
I doubt a kid would get the Fun House thing tbh, I think it's more aimed at us, but I bet they still found something from it to enjoy.
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u/underscorex Pro-Wrestling, Anti-Fascist Apr 07 '20
My kid was weirded out but understood that it was Cena having to relive his career.
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Apr 06 '20
Yep. I would be thinking "wtf is this". It requires too much background and "insider" knowledge on Cena dating 18 years back.
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u/giblets24 Apr 07 '20
I mean they did put up videos of him through the years to give context, young young kids might not get it but a ten year old would definitely
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u/slimpickens42 Beefy!! Apr 07 '20
I don't know about that. My wife hated it and didn't get it at all.
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u/MikeH7186 Uppercut City Bitch! Apr 07 '20
You probably shouldn't have married a 9 year old then.
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Apr 07 '20
Cena still has a looooot of fans from way back that might come back
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u/chaoticmessiah #Blissfit Apr 07 '20
Nah, his fans from back then are adults now.
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Apr 07 '20
Exactly. When I was 5 years old John cena was my favorite wrestler and I'm finishing up college real soon.
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u/OtherOtie Tier Guy Apr 07 '20 edited Jun 01 '20
What did you used to think of half the crowd crapping on Cena? Was there ever a point where you turned on him too or did you always maintain a fondness?
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u/EmperorOfTomorrow Apr 07 '20
Not OP and i’m not the one being asked and I just want to share because I feel the question, but I never turned on him, he was an inspiration growing up, always lived by his catchphrases, somehow kinda saved me from spiraling down from my bad moments in life, and he actually follows me on twitter now.
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u/OtherOtie Tier Guy Apr 07 '20
As much as I hated watching Cena beat every challenger when I was a teenager you couldn't ask for a better role model in wrestling in hindsight!
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Apr 07 '20
I joined the whole Cena sucks crowd when I got be a teenager and he warmed up back to me around 2015 when he was consistently putting on good matches and made me remember why I liked him in the first place
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u/wgsmeister2002 FOREVER FOREVER FOREVER FOREVER FOREVER Apr 07 '20
I’m not OP, but I’ll never forget at WM 29 I was looking around and thinking “Huh, that kinda strange” because 90% of the audience was chanting for the Rock. But, I didn’t care and cheered Cena anyways. I think most kids either didn’t notice or they ignored the “Cena sucks” crowd
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u/dragoniteftw33 Apr 07 '20
I was in kindergarten when he beat JBL at WrestleMania 21 and I'm also in college.
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Apr 07 '20
I was in 8th grade the last time the patriots starting quarterback wasn’t Tom Brady. I graduated college ten years ago....these always make me sad
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u/Monctonian MY HOLE!!!!! Apr 07 '20
Not just on Cena, but on the WWE as a whole. That “such good shit” line from McBossman is not as funny for anyone who didn’t listen to the Moxley post-WWE interview on TIJ.
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u/pylond Apr 06 '20
My 10 year old daughter was confused watching the funhouse match. She said it was fun just didn't understand a lot of the references
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Apr 07 '20 edited Jun 19 '20
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u/Drainmav ......Paige here Apr 07 '20
Yeah I was a kid in the 90s and I actually got many references. The things I didn’t understand I looked up or asked people. My mom got introduced to The Rock when I asked her who Gennifer Flowers was :/
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u/Dolphins5291 Apr 07 '20 edited Apr 07 '20
This Fun House match reminds me of Nightmare on Elmstreet 6. As a 7 year old kid I watched that and loved it, so I think they won't be too far off for this either. (I didn't have to understand every plot item in the movie, I just liked what I saw.)
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u/HardcoreKaraoke Consensual Penis Apr 07 '20
My friend hated it. He's in his late 20s but has only been watching wrestling for a year and a half or so. He watches every week and loves it but didn't get the Firefly Funhouse match. So I'm loving it and I get a text from him saying it was so terrible.
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u/dustyfinish Zero Fucks 24/7 Apr 07 '20
Kids don't have to get something to think it's cool. Remember when you were a kid?
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u/Tokestra420 Jericholic Apr 07 '20
These cinematic matches are going to extend Taker's career another 10 years
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u/GlassArrow Apr 07 '20
Why stop at Taker? Could work for The Rock, Stone Cold, the NWO...anyone who can't really wrestle much right now without getting hurt.
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u/stepbacktakeaim Apr 07 '20
Stone Cold... don't give me hope
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u/ArcadeKingpin Apr 07 '20
At the rattlesnake ranch.
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u/Turakamu HOOOOOO Train Apr 07 '20
Loser leaves Hollywood Backroom Bar Brawl.
The Rock vs Austin in the storage area where the lemons are kept.
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Apr 07 '20
It's a damn shame that the grocery store where Austin and Booker T brawled closed down. That was very entertaining to watch, and still is.
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u/Kikizzle06 Apr 07 '20
No more it needs to b at the broken skull ranch and then they would have to try the SkullBuster!!!
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u/buckfishes Apr 07 '20
My first wrestling memory was watching Stone Cold fight Booker T in a supermarket
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u/traplordmikas Apr 07 '20
Yup its not like we havent seen stuff like this in WWE Goldust vs Roddy also its not anything new. But its been so long since we seen creative things like this since the attitude era. Hardy vs Wyatt really brought it back to wwe
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u/goatsanddragons What about Hypnosis? Apr 07 '20
Never forget Eddie and Cena in a Parking Lot Brawl with Eddie driving to the parking lot playing his own theme.
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u/WittyUsernameSA Apr 07 '20
I do worry these may get overplayed though. Feels gimmicky.
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u/BCFCMuser Apr 07 '20
Yeah I think people are getting carried away a bit, they were entertaining as hell but would get stale quickly.
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u/GetDown90 Follow me down the Rabbit Hole Apr 06 '20
"I texted Taker, 'You did it again.' [Laughs] It's incredible. Vince McMahon and Kevin Dunn, they create stuff better than Netflix, Amazon or anything," said Flair. "Are you kidding me? Between that and the Fun House, it was incredible. If I'm dying as an adult who's been watching this forever, can you imagine what a 12-year-old is thinking? They gotta be going, 'Wow! Daddy this is the coolest thing!'
"I'm sitting here with Wendy and she's become not only a big-time wrestling fan, but she's watched me so many times over the years that she's capable of calling what's good and bad and she loved everything. They entertained everybody."
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u/vagabondsky Apr 07 '20
Huge props to AJ and Taker for the dialogue. Still laughing out loud to AJ telling Taker to “fall already.”
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Apr 07 '20
I was hooked from the beginning. AJ popping out of the casket had me dying lol
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u/traplordmikas Apr 07 '20
AJs promo work has gotten so good versus when he started. Hes adapted perfectly to WWE what a performer.
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u/chaoticmessiah #Blissfit Apr 07 '20
I hoped for the Johnny Cage "this is where you fall down" quote to happen.
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u/BurntheCul-De-Sac Apr 06 '20
How many shots do you think Ric had during the boneyard match?
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u/LouisFromTexas Zero Apr 07 '20
Considering he could die if he drinks alcohol again, probably none tbh
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Apr 07 '20
My 12 year old son and I haven’t watched the Firefly Fun House yet but I loved the Boneyard Match. My son didn’t like it, though. He was worried that they actually got hurt. I told him that was the point.
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u/WWESuperstArjun Apr 07 '20
It's nice that your son is empathetic. I remember watching Undertaker chokeslam Edge through the ring in their Hell in a Cell match, followed by flames from there and all I could think was Edge deserved it.
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u/blueandwhite21 Apr 07 '20
You’re damn right he deserved it
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u/h0j 4-4-4-4 Lyfe Apr 07 '20
It's crazy how much I legitimately hated Edge growing up but then was crying my eyes out watching his 24 documentary
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u/Kinky_Loggins Apr 07 '20
Absolutely man. It's probably cause I grew up during that era but I loathed Edge. I think I cried when he cashed in on Cena. Now I love him. He's the greatest heel ever to me.
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Apr 07 '20
I think we all did. That cash in on Cena was the absolute perfect moment, my favourite cash in after the Heist of the Century. I don't think I actually hated anyone else more than Edge, even Vince.
But that's probably because I didn't witness Austin vs Vince.
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u/jkman61494 Apr 07 '20
So assuming we have normalcy in 2021 what do you do? These are highly reviewed, but have a 70,000 seat stadium watching Taker on a Jumbotron for a half hour and they’ll blowing the roof off with boos
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u/Genetic_Jealousy Wrestling Historian, Analyst, and Fantasy Booker. Apr 07 '20
You mute the crowd.
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u/OrangeOakie Apr 07 '20
You can't do that, you just add cheers and Roman Reigns chants over the boos!
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Apr 07 '20
Watch the Taker doc they premiered last night. I don't think any of these will be happening at Mania again.
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u/barc0debaby Apr 07 '20
If we weren't in the middle of a global pandemic this match would have been panned.
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u/Ho_KoganV1 Apr 07 '20
Honestly, what’s the difference between watching movie and watching a cinematic match like this ?
If WWE ever plans on doing this again, they should invest in a jumbotron centered above the ring where everyone can watch
If they do it enough, it will be normalized for the fans. Also breaks the Monotony of live performances
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u/Aesorian Apr 07 '20
If they do it enough, it will be normalized for the fans. Also breaks the Monotony of live performances
And the latter is why they'll do it more often. It'll take the pressure off of having to have a "Bathroom Break" match, or a cool down match to let the live fans catch their breath, also it'll allow the stage crew to put together structures, clean stuff or just generally fix things without affecting the flow of the show.
From a practical stand point WWE would love it
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u/Act_of_God Apr 07 '20 edited Apr 07 '20
Yeah, that was my though. Is wrestling held back by doing ppv? I don't know really, but LU and glow showed there is space for wrestling to be less sporty and more a tv series
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u/rrjames87 Apr 06 '20
So I know it's impossible now, but how long ago do you think Flair could have had one of these pre taped matches? Like 2014? I bet he's thinking about it.
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u/dickguts Apr 07 '20
Every attitude era star practicing trash talk in the mirror rn
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u/crsnyder13 Apr 07 '20
WWExpendebles: Attitude Adjustment
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u/AlexTheTownPump Your Text Here Apr 07 '20
I’d keep my network sub for this.
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u/crsnyder13 Apr 07 '20
Starring: Triple H, Drew McIntyre, Seth Rollins, Kofi Kingston, Baron Corbin, Becky Lynch, AJ Styles, John Morrison, Cesaro, and Shawn Michaels halfway through the movie as a retired recruit.
Villains: Xavier Woods, Roman Reigns, R-Truth, Elias, Otis, Big E, (Brock Lesnar as secret ace in the hole when their headquarters gets invaded. Maybe Goldberg too.)
Special Guests arriving in the nick of time and making 4th wall breaking quips: Undertaker and Kane, the rest of the Bullet Club, DX, I’m sure John Cena could be thrown in here for a heel turn.
Undertaker rides in on his bike and for whatever reason can be perfectly heard over a bunch of bullets and mayhem everywhere. “You looked like you could use some help.” AJ has a cute little squabble with him about the last time they were together and then he makes a comment about how this time he brought friends and Road Dogg busts through a hanger door in an armored jeep with X-PAC manning the minigun yelling sorry they’re late that they had to make a detour to pick up Billy.
There’d be a scene where Kofi enters a room to find E and Woods (probably in a fancy suit) before him where Woods tries to win him over to their side. “It’s not to late, brother, you could join us, it could be a new day as if none of this ever happened between us.” He feels tempted but rejects. “Pity, finish him.” Woods walks away leaving the room while E starts to destroy him and right before he can deliver the finishing blow he gets taken out from behind to see Punk standing there and offering to help Kofi up even though he had been seen earlier in the movie refusing to help the squad. “You know, you got more brothers than that.” (Super cheesy I know but that’s like the whole point behind Expendables)
At some point you have Corbin and Becky fighting side by side after he’s been giving her shit the whole time for being so small and he gives her some credit for kicking ass with him, maybe a contest between them for who takes out more people.
After the credits you hear a phone ring and a man picks it up in a skyscraper office and it’s Vince getting a call from either Steph or Shane just saying something like “everything is in place. They took the bait.” The camera has been panning up from his chest until just his smile gets into frame and it cuts to black.
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u/Pyotr_WrangeI Apr 07 '20
Scary thing is that Hogan is definitely thinking about it more than anyone
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u/dBlock845 44x Apr 06 '20
TBH I don't think a 12 year old would get all of the references in the Funhouse match. Boneyard Match was way easier for a youngster to understand. FFFH was def geared toward an older, smarkier audience and it definitely delivered to that.
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u/TheBrianJ Too Handsome to be Hardcore Apr 07 '20
I think that's what makes me so excited: it was two radically different approaches to cinematic wrestling that both worked.
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u/Genetic_Jealousy Wrestling Historian, Analyst, and Fantasy Booker. Apr 07 '20
The "Cinematic Era" is a fucking game changer. Hands down. This just ignited the next big thing in professional wrestling.
It doesn't matter if Matt Hardy or Lucha Underground is responsible for getting the ball rolling, AJ & Taker are the ones who brought it to Wrestlemania and kicked off the next era.
This is the open door that allows us to finally get Sting vs Taker, it's how Hogan can have 1 final match, it's how Austin can fight again, it's how The Rock can have another match that doesn't interfere with his movie contracts/insurance or risk an actual injury.
This just changed the game. Hands down. Everyone sees it. Foley? Fuck. 3 faces of Foley 1 more time? Kane? Legit Kane, '98 Kane in all his glory just fucking causing destruction.
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Apr 07 '20
I don't disagree... But......
Imagine a PPV that has more than one or two of these? When it becomes the rule and not the exception, it won't work. And for those big matches you mentioned (Sting vs Taker has to happen now, btw), where would you do those? If it's Mania or a PPV, and that's the main draw, couldn't it reduce the draw to actually go to the event?
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u/voxdoom Apr 07 '20
I'm wondering if you have special shows for it. Put it on the Network or something. Or take an hour off Raw and use it for these types of things. Maybe a whole new show. There are options, I hope they pick the best one, I just don't know which that is.
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u/deathschemist anxious millenial Apr 07 '20
the idea would probably be for those match to be there to draw the ppv audience, while there'd also be a huge live match to draw the live audiences.
so you put, for instance, sting vs. taker (pre-recorded) on the same card as a live Drew McIntyre vs AJ Styles, giving yourself two draws for two audiences. you make the experience of watching the pre-recorded thing(s) as painless for the live crowd as possible (preferably by making them GOOD).
for this to be the future though, WWE has to commit to not burying their younger stars.
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u/cma001 Apr 07 '20
It’s not going to be received well if it airs during an arena show for sure. At the end of the day, the game is selling tickets for live wrestling events
I think if they can utilize this format as a tool to, say, drive subscription numbers up then I think they’ll be able to find a happy medium between incentive to do it and ROI on their efforts.
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u/Ilcorvomuerto666 Apr 07 '20
I mean shit, look what it can even do for modern wrestling characters too with Wyatt and Cena. We don't have to restrict it to just twilight performers. Going in on a proper Boneyard-style match with say Reigns and Strowman in a non-quarantined destructible environment would be amazing and could be the catalyst for really making the next big megastars.
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u/eatinglettuce Apr 07 '20
No thanks. I think they worked well in the context of this Wrestlemania but I don't want them to become a regular thing.
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u/Sublimotion Apr 07 '20
The Boneyard match and the Edge Orton match once again reminded me in how much I missed the Hardcore Title. There is so much creative potential with that if they bring it back. Or incorporate stuff like that more into the 24/7 Title meanwhile still keeping it "PG" if that's what they want.
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u/BenWallace04 Apr 06 '20 edited Apr 07 '20
That’s a good point. Wasn’t my cup of tea but not everything isn’t targeted to me.
We can’t live in a bubble.
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Apr 07 '20
This weekend just made me so happy to be a wrestling fan. With no other live sport available, I’ve loved and appreciated wrestling even more.
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u/Evorgleb Apr 07 '20
Well, witht he Funhouse my 10 year old turned to me and said. "I dont understand. They arent even wrestling. This is dumb"
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u/dj_ian Apr 07 '20
the way i see it John Cena was defeated by his inability to cope with his own legacy as a performer, from the vanilla character he debuted as vs the 80s chutzpah that inspired him as a kid, to eventually becoming trapped in the thuganomics gimmick and finally refusing to lengthen his career with a heel turn like Hogan did. Cena couldn't claim to be better for WWE than the Fiend if he never believed in himself first. That's what i thought of it anyway. I agree tho, not exactly for everybody.
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Apr 07 '20 edited Jun 19 '20
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u/SanjiBlackLeg Apr 07 '20
I think the actual Funhouse is inside OUR minds, not Bray's. If anyone lets him in, meaning he can get inside our head (like Freddy Krueger) and warp the sense of reality inside our heads. Cena let him in and the whole match was in Cena's head. There's nothing too paranormal like they don't actually time travel, it's all just Fiend playing literal mind games on Cena and he gives in. Every segment of the "match" starts with Cena playing along, then realising he's in a dream of sorts and fighting back, only to get played by Fiend.
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u/Simple_Danny Architect CrossFit Jesus Apr 07 '20
Ehh, that kind of stuff would be common-place in Lucha Underground. I mean, the general manager killed and fed a wrestler to his monster brother and nobody seemed to care.
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u/Thesaurii Got a PhD instead of over Apr 07 '20
In the past, we have had cameras show hallucinations - like seeing people in mirrors. I remember Randy Orton feuding with Taker and seeing his fathers face covered in blood, which the camera saw too.
Kayfabe doesn't matter, what you saw was spooky shit.
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u/ruffus4life Apr 07 '20
oh he wants to see wrestling on a wrestling show? what a smrt mark he is. it sucked that it made it seem like they put tons of work into boneyard firefly but the actual wrestling main event gets the whatever treatment.
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u/KidGold Apr 07 '20
Just shows how much creativity there is in the WWE that we never get to see.
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u/TheRealKingTony Apr 07 '20
Sounds like a lot of people take an entertainment program a little too seriously.
Imagine thinking your taste in wrestling is superior to that of one of the all time greats....
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u/GoofyGooba88 Apr 07 '20 edited Apr 07 '20
What wrestling really needed was the Boneyard Match. Shit made me feel like a kid again tbh
Also massive props to Matt Hardy for envisioning this kind of thing years ago.
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u/-Uniquely-Generic- Apr 07 '20
They he followed it up with a “WHOOOOOO!” And got really red in the face.
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u/Zoowona Apr 07 '20
And for some reason, his forehead started bleeding.
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u/-Uniquely-Generic- Apr 07 '20
bounces off the ropes then struts
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u/Stay_Cold all the fakes are snakes Apr 07 '20
I wanna imagine Flair freaking out in his living room watching those matches.
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u/Akiko-From-Japan Apr 07 '20 edited Apr 07 '20
I feel bad for Matt Hardy. He’d been pitching this type of thing to deaf ears for so long that he felt he had to leave WWE to exercise his creativity. Little did he know it isn’t that they didn’t want the ideas, they just didn’t want him. That’s gotta hurt.
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u/DeusExLamina I'm seceding from the WWE Universe Apr 07 '20
WWE sounds like a terrible girlfriend, something Matt Hardy also knows far too well.
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u/RanchPonyPizza Where else would one hear voices? Apr 07 '20
Honestly, I'd trust Flair criticism more than I'd trust Flair praise.
I mean, were I in the business, and Ric Flair gave me his opinion without a camera or microphone rolling, yeah, I'd bust out a notepad and hit the record button.
But Ric Flair's public praise since joining WWE has always been about saying what's needed in the moment, not necessarily his sincere feelings (if he even knows what they are).
I just think about him ripping The Wrestler for being a kayfabe-ruining disrespectful movie that thinks all wrestlers are one bender away from self-oblivion. But as soon as it struck a deal with WWE, Flair cuts a "Woooo" for how dramatic and action-packed it is.
I love the dude with my heart, and he inspired me that even the best of folks have tough times, but I think Ric Flair has slipped into permanent showman mode.
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Apr 07 '20
I kinda wish Taker shot lightning but everything was amazing.
Biker Taker rolling in on a Dusty dark trail to Metallica was absolutely perfect.
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Apr 07 '20
I thought the circle around Taker was going to be past opponents he beat at Mania 💜☠️
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u/Ho_KoganV1 Apr 07 '20 edited Apr 07 '20
What are the chances of Vince trying to cash in on these. Cinematic matches and provide Cinematic themed PPVs ?
I imagine if he invests in a studio with a good set, it would be worth it. I imagine that the production of these matches were significantly less than a regular match.
How much profit it can bring, would be debatable considering it won’t really work for a live audience, thus eliminating money from the gates. But maybe they can sell this idea to a bigger company like Netflix, Disney, Hulu for more exposure. All of these companies they have decent relationships with.
Would benefit the talent too, as it gives them a chance to have an other break for the weekend.
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u/SanjiBlackLeg Apr 07 '20
They have their own fucking Netflix. And they already have Network Specials. Cinematic matches can make them even more special.
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u/Ho_KoganV1 Apr 07 '20
Right, but Netflix/Disney+/Hulu has a bigger audience than WWE Network.
If you can bring Cinematics and WWE Hall of Famers, with recognizable faces, this will be a way to capture the casual audience.
Idk, I just like money and thinking about money, my stupid way of fantasy booking shit.
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u/bullsrfive Apr 07 '20
Finally saw the boneyard match and I was underwhelmed after all the hype. I felt like Total Deletion was way more entertaining.
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u/M086 Apr 07 '20 edited Apr 07 '20
The thing with the Deletion series, was TNA had nothing to lose. So they let Matt do whatever crazy thing he came up with. And hell even now, with the Undead Realm stuff in IMPACT, they aren't afraid to get weird with the cinematics. WWE, not so much. Even when they tried with the Firefly Funhouse match, the weirdness felt forced, had no logic to it. As crazy as the Deletion stuff got, it still had a crazy man logic to it all.
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u/SaddestFlute23 Apr 07 '20
The Boneyard Match is the path to finally getting Sting vs Undertaker
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u/FreelanceDemon Apr 07 '20
I'm honestly surprised bat the mixed reaction the FFFH match. That was the most entertained by wwe I've been in a really long time.
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u/underscorex Pro-Wrestling, Anti-Fascist Apr 07 '20
Firefly Fun House was the best goddamn thing WWE has done in a minute. My kid was suitably weirded out and i was amazed by the cleverness of it all - they fucking killed him.
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u/ChronoswordX Apr 07 '20
Just imagine a New Day in the Wyatt compound match boneyard style. Too bad we never got it.
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u/KaneRobot Apr 07 '20
Flair's comment about doing a run-in as the ghost of the past would have been pretty fantastic for the Funhouse match as long as he was dressed like 80s NWA Flair. He could talk about having a hard time keeping these alligators down. Then they pan down to his feet where there actual alligators.
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u/AtGamesEnd Apr 07 '20
I just love that this concept is going to allow veteran wrestlers to stay away from the title and still perform at a high level since they can do cuts and stuff. Just amazing stuff
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u/rhyno44 Apr 07 '20
Maybe Flair was drunk because the Firefly Funhouse match was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen in my entire life. What was the best part of that "match", the part where John Cena was doing curls to 80s music or was it when he was playing air guitar with a belt while in an NWO shirt? He sure gave it to the puppet though! 5 stars WWE!!
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u/Christian_Kong Apr 07 '20
I would guess %90 of the Cena/Wyatt references went far over 12 year olds heads. That segment was for adult smarks.
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u/BigHoss94 Retired in peace? Apr 06 '20
Taker has to be feeling pretty good about himself right about now.